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Hollywood could slash piracy rates by simply making its content easily and legally available, rather than trying legal and technological hacks to sustain its current business model. That's according to researchers from libertarian think tank the Mercatus Center. The team analyzed file-sharing news website TorrentFreak's weekly …

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Cold water?

Typical MPAA spokeswoman sticking fingers in ears shouting, "I'm not listening!"

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Ahh, MPAA, how Kettlesome is thy Pot

If "The MPAA is complaining that Google leads people to infringing links"

Then why are they doing their apparent damnedest to encourage people to go search for them in the first place.

La-La-La fingers in the ears indeed.

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Re: Cold water?

Typical MPAA spokeswoman sticking fingers in ears her head up her ass shouting, "I'm not listening!"

FTFY!

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"voluntary solutions"?

So where are the "voluntary solutions" from the content industries to make their content more available? I recently tried to give them money for some content in HD just to find out it's not available in Europe. I could buy the stuff from Amazon in the USA and have it shipped over, but that's a risk since the MPAA love region locking crap for dubious reasons.

If they keep shooting themselves in the foot, they shouldn't be surprised when people go to "unofficial sources".

And maybe they should stop assuming that spending hundreds of millions of dollars on a single film will rake in the moolah. Make the films cheaper, and charge less for cinema tickets, DVD and Blu-Rays and see what that does for legal consumption.

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Re: "voluntary solutions"?

"...And maybe they should stop assuming that spending hundreds of millions of dollars on a single film will rake in the moolah. Make the films cheaper, and charge less for cinema tickets, DVD and Blu-Rays and see what that does for legal consumption."

And maybe they should also -- all together now -- stop making movies that SUCK.

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@ Mike Re: "voluntary solutions"?

Actually the "don't make crappy movies" is part of the "don't bet the farm on each film".

Making films so expensive means that producers focus group and market test everything to death. The result is everyone playing safe and ultimately just copying what worked for others. (see stream of fantasy adventure films or vampire themed literature).

Psycho as was pointed out on QI recently was vehemently opposed by Hitchcock's producers which resulted in it being black and white and using a TV crew instead of a film one to keep costs down.

So fewer crappy movies requires less costly films and opportunities for risk taking.

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Re: "voluntary solutions"?

Precisely. I don't go to the cinema because of that 'ripped off' feeling as you walk out 2 hours later.

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Same old same old

Haven't we heard all these arguments before?

They are used to super profits and high revenue models (Read Rip off/Price gouging prices)and find it impossible to swallow the bitter pill about smaller paychecks.

How else will they fund the drug fuelled and cocaine lifestyles they are so used to?

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Re: Same old same old

What??! Ask record and film execs to get by sniffing glue and making bathtub meth?? The horror!!

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Re: Same old same old

Maybe they could make a movie out of that scenario...

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Re: Same old same old

"Maybe they could make a movie out of that scenario..."

I'm in. Let's do lunch.

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Home Taping Killed Music

Didn't it?

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Re: Home Taping Killed Music

No, but Video killed the Radio Star by strangling him with cassette tape. :)

(I'm sure I read that in one of Sherlock's adventures)

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I purchase and pirate the same movies

This is a blizzare situation but I like HD movies but don't have a blu-Ray player in the living room though my Xbox360 is capable of streaming from my PC. So I bought a Blu-Ray drive for my PC just so I could buy the Blu-Ray, rip it and stream from the PC to the Xbox, iPad or just watch on the PC.

Now technically that's illegal and realistically time consuming so I just go the full hog and buy the Blu-Ray and download a Blu-Ray rip as its quicker than ripping it myself.

This is the sorry state of affairs where I'm expected to buy a Blu-Ray player for every room, where I'm expected to buy the movie on Blu-Ray and on iTunes just so I can watch my legally purchased movie wherever and whenever in my own home. Now triple play titles (Blu-Ray, DVD and Ultraviolet code in one box) do help but out of my entire collection only about five are triple play, the rest are straight Blu-Rays. Just give me a GoG style service where I give you money, you give me the file and let me use it for my personal needs as I see fit not how you see fit.

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Re: I purchase and pirate the same movies

Plus, the 'non-legal' copy of your legal film does not make you sit through the anti piracy warning. Some DVDs also force you to sit through trailers for other films by disabling your ability to skip forward.

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Re: I purchase and pirate the same movies @Wize

It gets better. Most of my recent purchases, including eye-wateringly costly Blurays also try to get me to buy Mars bars and such :(

(That reminds me - got to buy one of those firmware hackers for my Panasonic to disable region locks and enable skipping of adverts)

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Re: I purchase and pirate the same movies

In one case I had a freaking Blu-Ray in my hand but somehow the Blu_ray I ordered on amazon.co.uk wouldn't play because it was actually sourced in the US. I simply could not play the movie I legally bought and had to rip it instead.

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What kind of "special" journalist keeps using the idiot word "freetard" over and over again? What is this moron trying to prove?

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He doesn't.

The last time he used that colloquialism was http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/12/20_injured_at_lg_smartphone_giveaway_as_pr_stunt_turns_sour/

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"The Walking Dead was pirated half a million times in the first day of its release despite it being available on a free streaming service in 125 countries worldwide."

It also broke viewing records for a cable show so it's not really hurting. Not that you can trust their 'pulled it out of my ass' numbers.

“This is the ONLY episode being made available without a log-in requirement,” the network notes. “Future episodes of The Walking Dead will be available on amc.com the day after broadcast and accessible via log-in for select cable providers.”

So only the first episode is available, you need to already have cable that caries the show to access later episodes so not a very good example of something being available. And it's a crappy SD stream too.

Checking amazon.com and .co.uk both the DVD and BluRay seem to have high ranks, so people do seem to be buying when available, of course they are region coded and likely not available everywhere . I expect quite a few of the people downloading now, will buy the box set when available.

P.S. It's not stealing / theft fool.

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Streaming depends on having enough connection capacity when you want to watch the material. Round here, on my line, that's not certain during evenings and weekends.

Downloads can come in overnight.

I'm currently struggling to download an ebook which depends on an Intel experimental viewer, and comes in at over 600MB. The whole system seems to assume a high-speed internet connection.

The future is unevenly distributed. So, it seems, is the present.

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She answered the question

but it wasn't the right question, which is "Are you the best source for your own contect"? If the answer is no, then people will pirate. If you are the best source, they will even pay for it.

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Re: She answered the question

Don't know how to edit my posts: that should read: "Are you the best source for your own content"?

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The Walking Dead was pirated...

"The Walking Dead was pirated half a million times in the first day of its release despite it being available on a free streaming service in 125 countries worldwide."

How can it be pirated if was available for free?

Shirley, the more people that viewed the free episode will go on to watch it regularly, and probably even pay for the privilege to do so.

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Re: She answered the question @bep

Edited or unedited, you make an excellent point. I hadn't seen the argument put that way before, and I like it a lot.

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Numbers

"Over the past three weeks the data has shown that none of the pirates' top picks were available for legal streaming and only 53 per cent were available to buy at all, and only 20 per cent of which were available to rent.."

I don't really see what this proves, except that the pirates want the new stuff, which the the media companies wish to hold on to. If 20th Century Miramax decides that Men in Black XXV will make more money in theaters if the Netflix release is held up, then no, the Netflix option will not be available during the period of most intense interest. If the point is that the motion picture industry can make less money by releasing the streaming stuff earlier, well, they've probably considered and dismissed that option. If the point is that they can make as much or more by releasing it earlier, did this study say how?

And by the way, I find it annoying when 16 out of 30 is given as 53%. Why not "roughly half" or "just over half" or even "16 out of 30"?

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Where are you getting 16 out of 30? 53% is how it's listed on the source website linked to in the story.

Not available is not as simple as you make out.

It might be available on DVD / BluRay in one country but not another, or only available on DVD here but available on BluRay some place else. Digital download/rental/streaming much more likely to be US and/or UK only and not available in places like Canada. And not just movies, a TV show might run months later in a different country, or even never.

And there are other things...

Bad experience with digital download, need to use different players, limited devices (I tried one of the "free" digital copies that come with some DVDs, took two days of emailing to get a working code, then the quality looked like youtube. Now the card goes in the trash with the shrink wrap).

Like music they need to drop the bogus DRM for download purchases, that would be a big step in competing with a torrent. What's that a standard MP4 would be uploaded to pirate bay? Why, there is already a BD rip available.

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"Where are you getting 16 out of 30? 53% is how it's listed on the source website linked to in the story."

Indeed so, but at the bottom of the web page I find

"Methodology: The way we develop this data set is very simple. We take the top 10 most pirated movies on BitTorrent as reported by TorrentFreak each Monday. Then we look up whether each movie is available in a legal digital format using the Can I Stream It service. We display the most recent week's data in the table above, but the entire data set, with fine-grained service availability, is available for download."

Over the last three weeks, that would 30 movies, wouldn't it? And 16 would be closest to 53%.

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"Over the last three weeks, that would 30 movies, wouldn't it?"

Not if certain movies appeared in more than one week, then no it wouldn't

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Re: Numbers

Depends on how you count. Look at their handy bar chart and look at the green line. If you come up with a number other than 16, let me know.

For extra credit, tell me what Edward Tufte would make of the information density...

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I bought a legal digital copy of Scarface last year.

Took about an hour to "activate", and I was only allowed to activate it on one pc and watch it.

Needless to say I wont doing that again anytime soon.

The "blueray rip" I now have is better quality, plays on anything, and doesnt expire.

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And????

"She pointed out that the recent zombie TV show The Walking Dead was pirated half a million times in the first day of its release despite it being available on a free streaming service in 125 countries worldwide."

That number only means something if it represents the number of 'pirated' copies downloaded by users in those 125 countries.

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Anally speaking...

"Our industry is working hard to bring content to audiences when they want it, where they want it"

Crap.

I bought a triple play DVD and tried to register the digital copy. It failed to work, of course. After at least 6 new codes from Fox, I gave up, and ripped the DVD. So, technically I broke the law.

Also, why do I have to download a digital copy when there is quite probably plenty of space for it on the DVD? Just put a non-DRM'd MP4 (pick your format) and let me play it on my laptop, on my tablet. Is it really that difficult?

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"most people prefer to stay on the right side of the law."

I'm already on the right side of the law, but that's beside the point. The biggest motivator for is convenience. At the moment I'm watching The West Wing on Netflix. If I wanted to pirate that I'd either have to be tortured by horrific VHS-quality streams or try and find a torrent with enough seeders to try and push all 156 episodes to me 7 years after the last one aired. What an absolute bother.

The same goes for another great example - Breaking Bad. I used to pirate it, because it's simply not on UK TV. That would again involve tolerating criminally poor quality streams or fighting with the hundreds of thousands of others trying to join the swarm at 4am. With netflix I just boot up and it's there, in HD, wherever in the country I happen to be.

Convenience - real, hard value - that's what gets money out of pockets, not a vague sense of morality or obligation to the content's publishers.

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Just don't leave the country

"wherever in the country I happen to be..."

Yeah, just don't try leaving the country. I found myself in Japan on a two-week business trip expecting to power-watch all the seasons of Breaking Bad I had just "bought" on Amazon Instant Video only to be slapped with a "This content is not available in your location" message. Needless to say, Amazon support claimed "licensing constraints" and couldn't help.

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"Our industry is working hard to bring content to audiences when they want it, where they want it, but content theft is a complex problem that requires comprehensive, voluntary solutions from all stakeholders involved."

as the only 'stakeholders' are MPAA members, when can we expect 'comprehensive,voluntary solutions' to allow audiences to watch what they want, when they want?

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"Our industry is working hard to bring content to audiences when they want it, where they want it, but content theft is a complex problem that requires comprehensive, voluntary solutions from all stakeholders involved."

Seems to me, judging from how the Motion Picture Ass. of America and the Recording Industry Ass. of America have operated thus far, that should read "Our industry is working hard to bring content to audiences when we want it, where we want it, but content theft is a complex problem that requires crushing anyone who dares want media on their terms rather than ours." Or am I being cynical?

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"Hollywood could slash piracy rates...

"...by simply making its content easily and legally available,"

See icon for details.

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20 years on and the MPAA et.al. STILL haven't got the point that they don't own the bottleneck any more. People will cough up if it's relatively easy and the price isn't taking the piss. Not taking the piss is another concept that they seem to be having trouble with; apparently preferring to annoy and alienate their customer base.

So the Walking Dead was available in 125 countries. What about the other 200 or so?

Face it; pirates put out a superior product that plays on all devices and won't give you crap at a price that is fairly hard to beat. If the film/record industries put out a non-crippled product at a reasonable price point they'd be coining it in.

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View from the other side.

I'm an active pirate, and they are right - we've lost a lot of pirates over the last few years who 'went legit' once legal services became available, convenient and affordable.

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Re: View from the other side.

I used to be an active pirate, but I lost my parrot and my leg grew back.

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Re: View from the other side.

Won't SOMEBODY think of the pirates?

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"Theft"?

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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Re: "Theft"?

I'll go one better: I know it does not mean what he thinks it means. See the Theft Act 1968 for what it means in the UK ...

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Re: "Theft"?

It's not theft of the content, at any rate (since the owner is not deprived of the content).

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Piracy has never decreased

The conclusion that more availability and collapsed windows reduces piracy is not just false it is ridiculous. Piracy continues to rise . 24% of all global traffic was piracy in 2011 and two years later in 2013 when overall data traffic expanded by 20%. Meanwhile music and home video revenues continue to plummet.

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Re: Piracy has never decreased

[Citation needed]

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Re: Piracy has never decreased

But file sizes have increased a lot over the last few years as more people upgrade hardware and go after the better HD files. So increased traffic volume does not necessarily equate to an increase in the number of downloaders.

Home video revenue increased in 2012, as did music sales, and the industries themselves are also publicly stating that piracy rates are decreasing.

One major issue I've had with industry claims of loss due to piracy, is that they've always acted like they should be immune from being affected by downturns in the general economy.

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Cinemas are going to die out. Most people now have a decent sized screen and maybe surround sound. If they dont then a simple cost analysis of going to cinema vs buying your own kit will show that its cheaper to have your own if you go that often. It cost us 10 quid each to go see a film the other week. Then its 3.50 for a fucking small tango and more again for popcorn. Throw in wankers in the cinema either on their phones or talking and id much rather be at home thanks.

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I disagree - most of the films I want to see are big action sci/fi jobs that are *far* better appreciated on the huge screen at the front of an auditorium than sat on the settee at home. I might be able to improve the experience with kit, but I don't want a huge screen in the living room (about 40" is enough - oooerr, missus!), though I might get some better speakers at some point if I can persuade Mrs Potsherd of the business case.

However, I admit that my opinion of cinemas is skewed because Mrs P wanted and got a yearly pass to Cineworld cinemas for Christmas, and I have an Orange phone, so it doesn't cost me anything to go to the cinema on a Wednesday ... especially if I eat and drink before I go.

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