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The nine men and one woman who guide the growth and development of internet standards and practices have delivered a stinging rebuke to the US hegemony of the transnational "series of tubes" – and have called for its management to be wrenched away from America's grip and fully internationalized. After a meeting in Montevideo, …

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Can't see anything wrong with the idea;- except I can't see the NSA/CIA types relinquishing any control which they consider is their God-given right.

After all, it's all in the interests of preserving our freedom, and if we have to be regulated, ordered, confined, monitored and become subject to constant & continuous surveillance, then Hell! That's a small price to pay to continue to be free...

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Your freedom perhaps…

… less so the rest of the world who the NSA regard as fair game.

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However little trust I have in the USA I would rather them oversee the Internet than the numerous little 'democratic' republics who will all jockey for position to try and influence and take control.

If it is put in the hands of a world organisation then just look at the EU and the UN to see how it would suck up expenses and how agreement would be impossible to reach.

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"EU and the UN to see how it would suck up expenses and how agreement would be impossible to reach"

Dude, you should take a closer look at the USA gov for a moment, you know the one currently unable to act because its global credit card is maxed out?

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"Dude, you should take a closer look at the USA gov for a moment, you know the one currently unable to act because its global credit card is maxed out?" What, and maybe compare them to some European governments? Like, say, Belgium, which went almost four years without a functioning parliament due to inter-party bickering (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%932011_Belgian_political_crisis). And any number of the EU countries are a great example of how reckless socialist spending frenzies can leave an economy in the pan.

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@Ted Treen

Did you miss out the <sarc> tags?

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@Matt Bryant

As soon as you start to talk about "reckless socialist spending" everyone identifies your politics (correctly or not) as US conservative. This invalidates everything else you say.

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Actually a far better way to realise the invalidity of his position is to look at his post history. He is like Eadon, only for politics.

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"What, and maybe compare them to some European governments? Like, say, Belgium, which went almost four years without a functioning parliament due to inter-party bickering"

Ok, lets do this comparison.

Firstly, Belgium did not go without a functioning parliament. The previous government continued in a caretaker role and parliament voted on an issue by issue basis. The state continued to function as normal, unlike the situation in the USA, where a vocal minority of a minority party is holding the country to ransom in an attempt to force the repeal of a central policy of the democratically re-elected president.

Secondly, during this period of political wrangling, the Belgian economy grew faster than any other in the EU, or the US. This has been attributed to the fact that the Belgian caretaker government didn't implement the strict austerity measures demanded by conservative economists to counter the financial crisis precipitated by the deregulation of financial markets advocated by those same conservative economists.

Thirdly, you keep using the word "socialist". It does not mean what you think it means. You conflate it with communism, then use it to label anything to the left of your own hard-right conservative position. It makes you look ignorant and reactionary.

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@Stuart Longland

1) Don't you recognise irony - or even sarcasm?

2) I'm English - which as far as I'm concerned is part of the rest of the world

3) Now please go back & read my comment again.

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@Ivan 4

Yes I did miss them out. I presumed that the average Reg reader/commenter was smart enough to recognise & appreciate irony (or sarcasm) when they encountered it.

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@Matt Bryant Funny you know. Whenever anybody logs on to explain that..............

..............it is all the fault of the socialists/communists/trots what have you I always know that I am dealing with someone that practically goose-steps in their sleep.

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British Tory, actually. I see the shock of your mistaken identification of my politics and locale also prevented you from somehow disproving that the EU states did have over-ambitious and unbalanced budgets driven by socialist daydreams. Or maybe it was just you couldn't counter the point, so simply thought you'd make some type of insult? So you failed twice in one post - congrats.

The Brazilian government are flogging the Snowden "revelations" as hard as possible to distract their voters from the crap state their country is in.

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"....,Firstly, Belgium did not go without a functioning parliament....." Check your definitions - the people voted but did not get the parliament they wanted, and the caretaking was largely by unelected civil servants. The mess in parliament couldn't create or sign off on new policy which meant the Belgian economy was effectively rudderless for four years.

"....the Belgian economy grew faster....." And crashed just as fast if not faster than most. I suggest you go read up on the Belgian 2008-9 financial crisis. You also negated to mention it grew from a position of lagging in the first place, and that significant foreign investment was delayed or went elsewhere due to worries that the country was continually about to split in two. Please do try and pretend Belgium is in a better state than the UK or Germany now.

"....it does not mean what you think it means....communism...." You were the one that mentioned communism, but that's probably just another flakey attempt to divert the thread, so you can avoid admitting that it was socialist spending policies and the unwillingness to cut back that landed the EU countries so deep in the brown stuff. Despite desperate attempts by the Left to paint the current stand-off in the States as just Tea Party posturing, the fact is the Republicans saw what burdens the socialist policies piled on the EU. No-one wants to end up like Greece. All they want Obambi to do is balance the budget, it's such a shame that Obambi was too busy for weeks running around shrieking about how vital it was to find a solution that he didn't have the time to actually negotiate one. He consistently rebuffed all offers of negotiation until last week, despite it being so "vital", presumably because posturing in the liberal press was more important.

As regards the Brazilians, all they are doing is trying to garner public opinion by slamming the "Nasty Yanks", in the hope the Brazilian public won't start asking to many questions about the cruel state of the Brazilian economy, their crooked cops, and their cities and slums. All even more amusing given how the South American heads of state treated Obambi as the New Messiah when he was first elected. The current pointless request for the Internet to be "put under international control" is on par with Canute. Try again, babushka.

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Did you see the brackets in my post?

My observation was that if you are seen (correctly or not) as a US conservative, your contributions are discounted.

First of all, if it wasn't for the very "un-socialist" financial crisis that the whole world is in the foolish actions of many countries around us would have not all blown up at once. They would have been individually sorted without the economic stupidity pushed upon us all the out of touch financial experts who put us here in the first place.

¿Why is this economic situation "un-socialist" then?

Because it was caused by major screwups in the financial industries both here and in the USA. They were not caused by Spain, Greece. etc spending more than they had. That just made it worse for them. Now, when they should be bump-starting their economies, they are bound to follow big moneys commands and make life as difficult for their poor and middle classes as possible - just like we are doing here.

As for Brazil, should they just ignore what Snowden has revealed?

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"....someone that practically goose-steps in their sleep." Really? I assume that's because you think anyone even vaguely more centrist than you or La Passionaria just has to be a Fascist, right? Nice try, insisting that anyone that disagrees with your POV just has to be a Nazi, but if you'd looked at any of those nice films about Stalin and co, they really liked their May Day Parades with lots of goose-stepping troops.

Talking about May days, I have a quite simple way of splitting out Commies, anarchist and trendy socialist, I just ask them about the events in Barcelona in May 1937. The dyed-in-the-wool Commies will parrot the Stalinist line and insist they thwarted a Nationalist uprising; the real anarchists will wail about how the Commies turned on their anarchist allies on the orders of Stalin; and the trendy socialists will simply look confused, because they have no knowledge of history as they're just mindlessly following the political trend du jour. I'm betting you're just looking confused right now.

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"reckless socialist spending"

Guessing that's from one of the US capitalist bent... the ones who know how to borrow and spend at mega-scales on military to fight the rest of the world and bonuses for the borrowers.

And if that guess is correct, and the post is thinly disguised economic 'advice', the appropriate response to such advice, with thanks to Mr. McEnroe, is:

You can't be serious!

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

Ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho!

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Re: Artic Veg @Matt Bryant Funny ..........

Shit me sideways, several posts in and no mention of Sheeple! That must be some kind of record.

"I just ask them about the events in Barcelona in May 1937"

So, Matt. What about the events in Barcelona in May 1937 then? What's your take on it?

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"cruel state of the Brazilian economy"

Not sure what this means, but guessing it's something like the US economy-in-crisis, but an order of magnitude less cruel and less in crisis.

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Dude, you should take a closer look at the USA gov for a moment, you know the one currently unable to act because its global credit card is maxed out major political parties are acting like a couple of schoolboys that can't get along?

FTFY!!

Both political parties deserve a through ass whipping from the electorate.

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> Both political parties deserve a through ass whipping from the electorate.

In the absence of an alternative party to vote for that's difficult to do.

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Is this for real?

First of all, if it wasn't for the very "un-socialist" financial crisis that the whole world is in the foolish actions of many countries around us would have not all blown up at once. They would have been individually sorted without the economic stupidity pushed upon us all the out of touch financial experts who put us here in the first place.

Because it was caused by major screwups in the financial industries both here and in the USA. They were not caused by Spain, Greece. etc spending more than they had. That just made it worse for them. Now, when they should be bump-starting their economies, they are bound to follow big moneys commands and make life as difficult for their poor and middle classes as possible - just like we are doing here.

What was "un-socialist" about legislating that banks had to lend at unsustainable rates to people who were never going to be able to afford to pay the debt, because it was "only fair"? Or did the entire sub-prime lending catalyst go completely over your head?

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> What was "un-socialist" about legislating that banks had to lend at unsustainable rates to people who were never going to be able to afford to pay the debt, because it was "only fair"?

You mean *after* the financial meltdown of 2008 when British banks were required to increase their small-*business* lending (but didn't)?

If that's not what you mean, are you claiming that the 100%-125% mortgages that aggressive estate agents were trying to talk me into were state-enforced in a vain attempt at rewriting history.

Or perhaps there's an opportunity for me to learn and you'll substantiate with links. Please.

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".....Because it was caused my major screwups in the financial industries....." Wrong. The problems in the financial markets were caused by the mortgage market in the US (Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac), which were caused by Dummicrat denial, vote buying, fraudulent book-keeping and socialist "liberal" daydreaming. Even Bush Jnr warned on the problem the Dummicrats created as early as 2001 (seventeen times in 2008 alone!).

But that was just the last, if very big, straw on the camel's back. Greece, Ireland and Spain didn't get knee-deep in it just because of Fannie Mae. Greece had been allowed to cook the books for years with the connivance of EU socialists dreaming of "the greater good". I know you types like to blame it all on The Evil Bankers but they just played in the sandpit liberal/socialist politicians created.

In the UK it is an annoying and regular cycle - Labour make ridiculous promises of cake for all, especially their union backers, deliberately ignoring the sums, they get elected and proceed to trash the economy, and then the Tory's have to come in and clear up the mess, usually by balancing the books with an austerity budget. Pain all round but you sheeple never think to blame it on the stupidity of socialist budget planning. The only time Labour have managed to temporarily avoid the cycle is when they originally followed Tory spending plans under Blair.

Brazil has a finite amount of time it can continue propping up the economy with oil money. They have a massive problem with the type of gap between the haves and the have-nots which hasn't been so wide in the UK since medieval times, despite all that natural wealth of Brazil. Despite Ms Dimwitt Rousseff (ex-Marxist "geurilla", though she seems to have spent most of her "guerrilla" years doing nothing more than shagging around) having been elected on the usual socialist promises of blank cheques and cake for all she seems to have done SFA for the favelas, having undergone a quite amazing conversion from "dedicated Marxist" to "pragmatic socialist capitalist" (whatever the fudge that is) in order to get elected. I am not surprised she is falling back on the old Latin Marxist mantra of shrieking about "el Gringos" whenever possible, she obviously thinks it's a vote winner.

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Hey, winners have jet bombers.

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"....Not sure what this means...." Go read up on the favelas, the Brazilian slums. Brazil is tragic in the immense diference between the mega rich and the extreme poor, much more so than the US or the UK or even Greece. Whilst in the UK or US you can work your way up, if not to the top then at least to relative comfort, the chances in Brazil are virtually non-existant. The really horrific bit of the whole affair is that decades of Brazilian politicians have promised plenty but delivered SFA for the poor. Any problems are usually blamed on "el Gringos" or hidden away by highlighting some other issue with "el Gringos". Ms Dimwitt Rousseff is just following an old Latin tradition. Which do you think is more important to the people of the favelas that elected her - education, sanitation, good housing and opportunity, or worrying that the NSA may have read Dimwitt's emails to her old buddies in Cuba?

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".....What about the events in Barcelona in May 1937 then? What's your take on it?...." I'm not sure the forum has room for a proper historical debate that could fill several books (the bitter and cynical betrayal was witnessed by Geroge Orwell and appears in his book "Homage to Catalonia", and formed the basis for "Animal Farm"), but a summary might go as follows.

From May 3rd to 8th 1937, the city of Barcelona was the scene of pitched street battles, arrests, torture and arbitrary executions. The arrests and executions continued for at least a week after. This was nine months into the Spanish Civil War, but the fighting wasn't between the Republican government forces and the Nationalist rebels, it was between the so-called allies on the Republican side. The (largely anarchist and Trotskyist) CNT and POUM, which controlled Barcelona's infrastructure in co-operation with left-wing Catalan nationalists and other socialist groups, were attacked by the Republican government's Guardia de Asaulto, with the Republican government seeking to take control of Barcelona. The Guardia de Asaulto were guided by the Spanish Communists and their arrests and executions were under the control of the NKVD's Madrid resident, Alexander Orlov.

Orlov had been sent to Spain to assist the Republican government in fighting the Fascists, but actually had two core directives that only top members of the Spanish Communist Party knew about - firstly, to arrange the transport of the Spanish gold reserve to Moscow (Stalin did not give aid to Republican Spain for free, he demanded payment at twice the market rate); and secondly, to oversee the Communist take over of Republican Spain by finding and killing any opponents in the Republican alliance, especially any linked to Stalin's rival, Trotsky. Stalin's plan was not for Spain under the people but everyone under Communism (i.e., under his dictatorship) and didn't have room for an independent Catalonia.

Having dabbled in Spain, he eventually betrayed even his Spanish Communists by forging what he saw as the more strategically important alliance with Nazi Germany of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact in 1938. By that time Orlov himself was on the run from Stalin's purges, hiding out in the US.

Ever since, there has been a persistant whitewash by Communists that the Barcelona May Days were actually "brave" Communists defeating a counter-revolutionary uprising arranged between the Trotskyists and the Fascists. You can even see evidence of this laughable denial with modern writers, an example being Max Arthur's otherwise excellent collection of Spanish Civil War eyewitness accounts "Fighters Against Fascism" - Arthur manages to completely gloss over the Barcelona May Days and the eventual fighting between the Communists and Republicans that led to the fall of Madrid. Indeed, his appendix titled "Timeline of the Spansih Civil War" has only "10th May 1937 - A Nationalist uprising in Barcelona is put down by Republican troops".

There are Wikipedia summaries for both Orlov and the Barcelona May Days, I would suggest you fill in the holes in your ejukayshun by starting there. Hopefully before any of your more fanatical fellow sheeple try and edit it out of existance. Hopefully it will also help you spot the difference between Anarchists and Communists in future. Not that Ms Dimwitt Rousseff is either.

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""....,Firstly, Belgium did not go without a functioning parliament....." Check your definitions - the people voted but did not get the parliament they wanted, and the caretaking was largely by unelected civil servants. The mess in parliament couldn't create or sign off on new policy which meant the Belgian economy was effectively rudderless for four years."

The people of belgium didn't get parliament they wanted? What happened, was the election rigged so no one could seize power? Was there some kind of secret coup to put no one in overall control? The Belgian electorate got exactly what they voted for - no single party was popular enough to gain a majority in parliament or claim a mandate to push through its policies. In the meantime, the previously elected government continued in a caretaker capacity. At no point did an unelected civil service run the country. Your lack of understanding of how democracy works, along with your childish name calling suggests you're not old enough to vote.

""....the Belgian economy grew faster....." And crashed just as fast if not faster than most. I suggest you go read up on the Belgian 2008-9 financial crisis. You also negated to mention it grew from a position of lagging in the first place, and that significant foreign investment was delayed or went elsewhere due to worries that the country was continually about to split in two. Please do try and pretend Belgium is in a better state than the UK or Germany now."

The hung parliament was the result of the election in June 2010. Please explain how this "rudderless" parliament had anything to do with the 2008/9 crash you want me to read about, which occurred when the previous Belgian government was still in power. Apart from a fractional contraction in Q4 2012, the Belgian economy has been growing since the 2010 election, whereas the UK has remained stagnant. Your grasp on the timeline appears on a par with your ability to construct a coherent argument. You were the one gave Belgium as an example of a screwed up economy and you are the one who is negated to mention it was actually growing.

"You were the one that mentioned communism, but that's probably just another flakey attempt to divert the thread, so you can avoid admitting that it was socialist spending policies and the unwillingness to cut back that landed the EU countries so deep in the brown stuff."

I wouldn't call tearing apart your feeble ranting in the first two paragraphs as diverting the thread. As for your constant blaming "socialist spending policies" as the root cause of the economic crisis, didn't this whole thing start in that bastion of socialism, the USA, during the closing months of an eight year Republican Presidency? I suppose irresponsible lending by an unregulated financial sector during an unsustainable property boom had nothing to do with it?

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You mean *after* the financial meltdown of 2008 when British banks were required to increase their small-*business* lending (but didn't)?

No I mean the sub-prime lending crisis which caused the global financial meltdown.

Feel free to search Google for it, then you can pick your own sources of information. In the long term it'll save you having to come back and accuse me of providing links to politically biased sites.

In a nut shell, the US administration legislated to make it easier for people who couldn't afford to get a mortgage to get a mortgage, they did, but couldn't pay the debts when market conditions changed, and so the collapse began....

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The good news for those in favour of internationalisation of the Internet's authority is that it doesn't require the US to relinquish control.

You see when you look bottom up, from a country's ISP subscriber, you can easily implement a system that takes control. This works for DNS and IP routing (or can be made to). The only area that would take more time to take control over would be secure certificates and authorities (covering control over HTTPS for example).

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"In a nut shell, the US administration legislated to make it easier for people who couldn't afford to get a mortgage to get a mortgage, they did, but couldn't pay the debts when market conditions changed, and so the collapse began...."

It wasn't so much the subprime mortgages themselves which caused the crisis, it was irresponsible banks slicing, dicing and bundling them up with normal mortgages and trying to pass off the resulting mess as AAA rated (for which the ratings agencies also get the blame).

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> In the long term it'll save you having to come back and accuse me of providing links to politically biased sites.

My googling took me to an overview on Wikipedia entitled "Government policies and the subprime mortgage crisis". Are you perhaps referring to the "Alternative Mortgage Transaction Parity Act of 1982" or the "The Housing and Community Development Act of 1992"? Perhaps you can specify the laws you mean so we don't have to squabble over politically biased representations of them.

Also, seeing that Bush was in power from 2001 to 2009, was it his government that enacted what you are talking about, or did he just fail to repeal the US Democrat's previous laws?

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"....The people of belgium didn't get parliament they wanted? What happened, was the election rigged so no one could seize power?...." Your original post poked fun at the US for their politicians being unable to sort out the current disagreement over the debt ceiling and Obamacare, so it would seem a very good comparison with the complete meltdown of Belgian politics, with one period of 541 days where the Belgians couldn't actually form a government! And that persisted for four years (and is still simmering away). You can try and dance around the comparison as much as you like, it still makes the current American farce look relatively minor. Of course, you don't want to admit that because it just shows up the shallow fixation of your anti-Yank bleating.

".....The hung parliament was the result of the election in June 2010....." Rubbish. It came to the fore with the election of 2007 after the Flemish Christian Democrats and Flemish separatists alliance took power. Your grasp on the timeline seems to be non-existant. And before you make rediculous claims about the "stability" of the Belgian economy I suggest you go read this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9309_Belgian_financial_crisis).

"....I wouldn't call tearing apart your feeble ranting...." What tearing apart? You didn't even know about the 2007 election which triggered the whole mess! I suggest you start your re-education here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%932011_Belgian_political_crisis). I then suggest you start some reading into the history of socialism seeing as you seem to know SFA about that either. Enjoy!

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My googling took me to an overview on Wikipedia entitled "Government policies and the subprime mortgage crisis". Are you perhaps referring to the "Alternative Mortgage Transaction Parity Act of 1982" or the "The Housing and Community Development Act of 1992"? Perhaps you can specify the laws you mean so we don't have to squabble over politically biased representations of them.

Yeah them'll be the ones... probably. Not bothered about specific acts meself, for I am but a spec of dust of humanity with no power to make any difference to any act by any government.

Also, seeing that Bush was in power from 2001 to 2009, was it his government that enacted what you are talking about, or did he just fail to repeal the US Democrat's previous laws?

All them Americans look the same to me. I have no idea whos laws or bright idea it was to give away money to people who most likely weren't going to be able to pay it back, just that it was an American idea.

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Hehe, I know what you mean.

Personally I am not sure though that any law required banks to give mortgages that were daft. I rather had the impression they gave them since they had figured how to sell them to gullible marks as collateral debt obligations.

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I would argue that this is the best the US has functioned in a long time. A federal gov't that was designed to do nothing by it's founders unless wide consensus was established. A gov't that was to have no power save the limited few granted it by the constitution. A gov't to be held in check first by the people's House of Representatives (which somehow has more of a "minority" party elected....*moron*), second by each state's representatives, the Senators, that were to represent the State Legislatures on behalf of the states (the same states where your "minority" party control the majority of State Legislatures). The same Senate the founders gave 100% oversight of the federal gov't to, to ensure the States ran the gov't, not the other way around.

You might keep in mind that had the gov't and system not been corrupted, it is unlikely that there would be a NSA spying on you wherever you may be today. We wouldn't have a military with people and equipment so farly spread that they would be ready to butt into your business on a moment's notice. We wouldn't have the debt you speak of as we would have continued to make people earn their way in the world, not live off of others. (I have always known charity here to be given selflessly to those deserving) We would be everything that America WAS during its' rise, not the result of the "social justice" policies created and pushed by the....what's the word I am looking for.....Oh, SOCIALISTS (did you get that? Socialists are related to things social?) that have resulted in the decline of this country.

So, here we are, the social elite telling us that if we sail too far, we will fall off the edge of the world. Maybe just maybe we are long overdue to take that ship and come out with a brave new world on the other side.

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"Dummicrat" ... "Obambi" ... "Dimwitt" ... this sort of childish name-calling is why no-one apart from your fellow-travellers can take you seriously.

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Re: Red Brenda Paul Crawford Trust

"the fact is the Republicans saw what burdens the socialist policies piled on the EU. No-one wants to end up like Greece. All they want Obambi to do is balance the budget"

That statement would be about a million times more credible if there had been any significant Republican effort to ask Bush 2 to balance his budget. The people who formed the tea party movement seemed quite happy with the US spending more than it had as long as the extra money went to the military and to tax cuts for the rich.

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Re Barcelona 1937:

Thanks for the history recap but what relevance is it to your usage of "socialist" as a dirty word?

Any government needs money to function and provide basic infrastructure and services, and also to provide some insurance safety net to provide a minimum level of standard of living that also keeps down crime and possibility of revolution/rebellion.

The basic political disagreement left vs right is (a) the extent of services government should provide (and who gets the services) and (b) how does government pay for all that (ie who gets taxed). "Socialist" is on the left side of the spectrum, arguing that government should do more for the less well-off and that the more well-off should pay for it. While I disagree with this type of economic policy, people who argue for this type of policy are free to do so. That argument has absolutely nothing to do with the very nasty acts of some very nasty people close to 80 years ago.

Also, it does not help your argument when even the very centrist policies of the US under Obama are labelled "socialist"

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"Both political parties deserve a through ass whipping from the electorate."

Better still, whip their arses and leave the poor donkeys alone.

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"Re: WhoaWhoa Re: @Matt Bryant

Hey, winners have jet bombers."

I think you'll find that the "winner's" credit card companies, i.e. other countries, actually own the jet bombers. The "winners" are actually the losers who imagine that they can keep getting further and further into debt at faster and faster rates and it will all end happily for them.

Do you know what? It won't.

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"Whilst in the UK or US you can work your way up"

Or else you can post nearly 7,000 messages to The Register over six and a half years.

And such prolix content. Whew!

Even assuming you don't post anywhere else you're really not leaving yourself much time to work your way up, or even to stay in employment, if you are.

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Re: FeatherBoa Re: WhoaWhoa Red Brenda Paul Crawford Trust

"....you're really not leaving yourself much time to work your way up....." Firstly, I can see that a post for you is a major effort and probably uses up your whole waking day, even if you do post naught but bleating and whining. But for me it takes but minutes to expose the silliness of your tryping.

Secondly, over the years I have already worked my way up, thanks. I suspect you have a very, very long way still to go.

And thirdly, I see you are still not keen to discuss the topic of the thread - have you run out of bleats to repeat, maybe?

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Re: FeatherBoa Re: WhoaWhoa @Matt Bryant

".....The "winners" are actually the losers...." Yeah, right. So, old Obambi, Bush Jnr, and the rest of theYanks, living it up in the States with access to just about whatever they want, whilst the Taleban and AQ crawl around fin caves, too scared to take a polio vaccination. Your definition of "losing" really is the ultimate in denial.

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Re: FeatherBoa WhoaWhoa Red Brenda Paul Crawford Trust

"But for me it takes but minutes to expose the silliness of your tryping."

Silliness? "Tryping"?

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Re: Feather Boa Re: FeatherBoa WhoaWhoa Red Brenda Paul Crawford Trust

With every one of your posts you simply provide more proof of the matter.

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Re: David Cantrell Re: Spanner Spanner @Matt Bryant

"....this sort of childish name-calling...." Apparently it was so shocking it left you completely unable to formulate a counter to any if the points raised. For it to induce such outrage you must have led a very sheltered life.

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Re: James Micallef Re: Red Brenda Paul Crawford Trust

"....Bush 2 balance his budget...." Get a clue, Thickalef. If you'd bothered to read any background you would know that Bush had to deal with a Dummicrat dominated House and repeatedly warned them on their spending sprees, especially with regard to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

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Re: FeatherBoa WhoaWhoa Red Brenda Paul Crawford Trust

MB> Silliness? "Tryping"?

MB> "Taleban and AQ crawl around fin caves"?

Fin caves, really? Are them terrorists hiding in Fin[n]land yet?

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