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Microsoft will release its own apps to manage all the iOS and Android devices that are flooding into organisations as part of the Bring Your Own Device trend. They will be available for download from app stores later this month. The official Remote Desktop (RDP) clients were announced on Monday along with a new RDP client for …

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Balmers comment could be applied to using Windows.

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"The price of the Data Center edition of Windows Server 2012, meanwhile, is also going up – as reported. The Server, which offers unlimited virtualisation, will jump 20 per cent to $6,155 for a pair of processors"

Because that's the unlimited OS instance virtualisation usage license and processors are getting more powerful....

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Charging for a SP is already...

...a pretty nasty thing but selling the same OS w/ SP included for over 20% more is downright disgusting.

"Because that's the unlimited OS instance virtualisation usage license and processors are getting more powerful...."

Right and that's why MSFT didn't not need to put an iota extra work in it so it shouldn't cost more - I'm buying more hardware to run the same software - but since the Ballmerian burlesque group is greedy as hell they keep trying to sell even their service packs for more...

...another reason to stick with Server 2012, at least for now, I guess (and see what's going on among other platform vendors.)

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Re: Charging for a SP is already...

PS: if they would sell the extra functionality like some 'add-on' I could totally understand that - I just dislike the idea of reselling essentially the same thing + fixes for more.

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That is most likely because you're not the one doing the reselling.

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Oh, look, it's Microsoft's paid Anonymous FUD coward. Hey, didn't expect you to be in here trying desperately to get us "on message." Not at all.

So, how's tricks? The new marketing shakeup treating you right? I hear the budgets got reorganised something fierce and the community engagement efforts were cut by more than half. How'd you keep the gig, anyways? I wouldn't have thought The Regster's comments section was important enough to dedicate meat to in these "tough economic times" (OH GODS MAKE THE QUARTERLY REVENUES BETTER OR WE LOSE OUR JOBS).

I'm curious about the details of your work with Microsoft. (Or is it Waggner Edstrom?) Do you run multiple sites? Are you a deep web specialist or do you do social media as well? How many forums are in your personal stable, or do you handle it as a team?

I notice that you take weekends off; is that because of the recent cuts, or was your division always had that limitation? So many questions!

Hope you're having a great day!

--Trevor

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@Pascal Monett

I, however, am the one doing the reselling. And Microsoft can go eat a bag of 10,000 wiggling, severed dicks. My costs keep going up and up and up while the rewards go down.

Raising prices isn't doing me or my customers a damned iota of good. CentOS and RHEL, however, most certainly are.

Peace, and long live Openstack.

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I'll be damned

Whether by intent or just happenstance, Microsoft has done something which makes sense. It also betrays that at least someone in MS-land has a handle on reality - that MS doesn't dominate the consumer electronics market the same way it did, and still largely does, own the desktop market.

Maybe, just maybe, the predictions of Microsoft's demise are premature.

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Re: I'll be damned

Actually Microsoft did a lot of good things in recent years, Skydrive is one of them. People just hate them by default.

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Re: I'll be damned

Since MS isn't seriously competing in the tablet world (yet) it only makes sense they would try to do this. If they get a decent market share with tablets running Windows, maybe they change their mind!

Bad luck for anyone selling 3rd-party apps...

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Agreed, perhaps some one turned over the rather faded 1993 calender to 2013 & discovered its time to start getting things right.

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"Actually Microsoft did a lot of good things in recent years... People just hate them by default."

Don't firget Apple. Hate them by default, too.

In fact, hate all evil mega-corps by default when they get so full of themselves that they're ready to be taken down a few levels.

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About.

Fucking.

TIME!

The RDP client for the Mac is ancient, it's desperately needed updating since, oh, 2008. Good to see that iOS and Android are getting 'official' clients too. I just hope that they'll support terminal services gateways as well.

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I haven't had a problem with the mac RDP client, especially since it uses PC config files without changes. Better multi-screen support is the only thing I'd really like to see.

An RDP client for iOS though? NICE.

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I tried loads of ios rdp clients before finding one that was both free and supported rdp gateways.

The freerdp client is more flaky than the all but identical Thinstuff RDC app (which is still a bit flaky).

http://www.freerdp.com/

http://www.thinstuff.com/products/rdc/

Neither is as good on an ipad as logmein, but they've been useful for getting me out of a hole in the past

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rdp desktop on a 10" screen is nice?

I'm happy to have my productivity hobbled by my two 24" desktop screens, thanks. When I go home, I'm happy to VPN and rdp from my 27" + 20" home desktop with desktop laser mouse.

I know, I'm an old fogey.

Publish your app, but I don't want a remote desktop at those resolutions thanks.

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Pity it was not a two way street

I could say MS devs were tied up doing the 100th rewrite

of crap to access goggles stuff and their ever moving goal posts.

Or Apples walled communist garden.

At least one of them is doing something about convergence.

I do get your frustration...

but its still better than anything you would get from apple or google if they were in that position.

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The One Ring

Sensible idea, but somehow it remind me of the One Ring from Sauron ;-)

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So thats why Server 2012 HAD to have Metro inflicted upon it... now it finally makes sense to have metro on a server.

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"So thats why Server 2012 HAD to have Metro inflicted upon it... now it finally makes sense to have metro on a server."

Proper server jocks remote in and use the command line, anyway. The last time I actually saw a GUI interface on a server was... well, the last time I used the last of the real Mac servers, Snow Leopard Server. That's 10.6, and due to go out of support this year. Since Lion, OS X Server has been relegated to toy status, suitable only for home use. If that.

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Server 2012 doesn't have any GUI by default.

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"Server 2012 doesn't have any GUI by default."

This is false - there's no default. You can choose between Core and Full at installation..

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"So thats why Server 2012 HAD to have Metro inflicted upon it... now it finally makes sense to have metro on a server."

Nonsense - that junk called Metro has NOTHING to do with RDP (unless you count being much harder to use over RDP a feature), neither does running Office etc.

No, that abomination - Metro on a server - is solely just the Ballmerian super troupe's cost-cutting, arrogant-clueless, idiotic design decision, there's not a single meaningful argument behind it.

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Terminal Services still run in Windows Server, so using the Metro interface makes some sense. It would be better if it was an optional feature installed only with TS, though.

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They're not.

"This means you can have the odd experience of seeing apps like Excel and Internet Explorer 11 running on an iPad or Android tablet."

They're not running on the tablet. They're running on the server. A client that receives a picture is running on the tablet.

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I'm still baffled as to how anyone can do proper work on a tablet.

And as someone who uses RDP via a tablet to save themselves the hassle of walking up some stairs, I'd say controlling desktop applications on a tablet is an unpleasant experience.

Sometimes I think I'd have just as much control over it if I just aimlessly jabbed at the screen with my cock.

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Re: I'm still baffled as to how anyone can do proper work on a tablet.

Depends on what you mean by "work" on a tablet. If you spend your day going from meeting to meeting and only really view content then it's a very effective tool.

If you sit at a desk and actually do real work then stick with the old fashioned keyboard and 27" monitor.

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Re: I'm still baffled as to how anyone can do proper work on a tablet.

Yes I suppose it's a capable device if you only think in terms of 'red, yellow and green'.

I bet they still print them out regardless... sigh.

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Re: I'm still baffled as to how anyone can do proper work on a tablet.

Well, it's a use-case thing. Anything involving a lot of typing or mousing, and a big screen, use those. Farting about looking at spreadsheets or documents and pinging the odd email off, tablets fine.

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Re: I'm still baffled as to how anyone can do proper work on a tablet.

> Sometimes I think I'd have just as much control over it if I just aimlessly jabbed at the screen with my cock.

Doing it this way sure is a lot more enjoyable.

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Re: I'm still baffled as to how anyone can do proper work on a tablet.

You can't do anything serious but I always thought Citrix did a pretty good job on my Android tablet. When I get caught on the hop while on-call I can drop into systems and do the odd bit of DB work to keep things ticking along, especially useful when the family clan and I fancy a day out at the seaside I don't have to lug a laptop.

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Re: I'm still baffled as to how anyone can do proper work on a tablet.

Dunno, my office have glass walls, employees in the main area would be definitely offended if I were to try the same w/ my 27"+24" duo...

...come to think of it, being a medical viz firm they'd be offended only by the size.**

**: of my display.

I mean the vertical one.

I mean the MONITOR.

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Re: I'm still baffled as to how anyone can do proper work on a tablet.

also, waitressing is a use-case.

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Irony for the twunts.

Owning an iSomething whilst doing a Google search using IE9.....

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Windows InTune

InTune? I'm surprised that one got past cupertinos lawyers.

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Do you know if the mac client supports RD gateway?

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I simply would ban all iDevices in my organisation.. end of - no tech support and ban all rights connecting in via VPN. or using work network.

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The 90's called - they want their IPSEC policies back.

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"I simply would ban all iDevices in my organisation.. end of - no tech support and ban all rights connecting in via VPN. or using work network."

And five minutes later the VP Marketing will have a quiet word with the CIO and the ban will be lifted. And if you object, you'll get to see who the company thinks it can live without, you or the marketing department. Hint: it's not the marketing department.

IT is there to _support_ the users. IT is not there to _dictate_ to the users. It's not _your_ network, it's _the company's_ network. And you _will_ provide support or the company will find someone who will. Microsoft has recognised this. Why can't you?

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There are many things that I would like to ban from my organisation, but my employer will insist that I use and deploy them if I am to get paid. Thems the breaks.

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I wouldn't want fragmentation personally, MS don't have it right with the tablet market yet nor phone sadly though, and nor do i think they will - I am no fan of android mainly on security grounds

But i suppose it's personal preference... would not get me far.. lol

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That's basically what happened here and we stopped supporting them. Problem is most people who are non-IT don't understand that concept.

After we stopped supporting them, my superiors began giving other superiors back handers, casually putting an iPad on my desk and asking me to have a quick look. Now there are so many back handers that we are fully supporting them but via our own management instead of via the client. If I put my foot down and say "sorry, don't support them" I get told to man up and stop being awkward. There's no network access on them but general things like 'Mr CEO's daughter can't get her Gmail to sync'.

The iPlague creeps in like a rot. I have no problem with iDevices at all if there is the proper infrastructure to support them. The problem I have is a lot of people try to shoehorn them in to organisations because they are cool, with no consideration for the logistics.

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Most of the hardware I'd like to ban from the company happens to be organic in nature.

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@James

I have never understood the "it's not _your_ network, it's the "_the company's_ network" diatribe. Folks who say this _NEVER_ apply the same logic to their own job. Why is that? Do you refer to things that you are responsible for as "yours" or do you always refer to them as "the company's"? The personal pronouns indicate responsibility, not personal ownership.

IT is there to support users, but not just users. There are always constraints like them or not. Sometimes IT must "dictate" in order for things to actually work and be sustainable. Sometimes users want things that simply cannot be done with the resources available.

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"I simply would ban all iDevices in my organisation.. end of - no tech support and ban all rights connecting in via VPN. or using work network."

Already done here. No Android either. Blackberry and Windows Phone and tablets only - and we are migrating all Blackberry users to Windows Phone now that it is FIPS 140-2 certified. And that's out of the box - it didn't need any bolt on code like Android / Knox......

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I think the point is the IT department shouldn't decide what is useful and what isn't. Those are business decisions. Yes a lot of management will like cool stuff regardless of fitness for purpose. But it is not IT's place to decide. IT should supply a well reasoned estimate of the costs to support devices and supply their hopefully educated analysis of the benefits and pitfalls of said devices. But it should be the business units (of which IT is but one) that decide what is going to be supported. Doesn't always work that way in many companies, but it should.

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Re: logical

@noominy.noom - yup thats about it.

But I would argue that IT should be ahead of the game and evangelizing new products (vapour, hard, soft or bland) so they are in the decision when it’s being made.

Too often IT just trails and so has to cope with sometimes poor decisions and also are not in the right place to understand the company’s goals.

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"IT department shouldn't decide what is useful and what isn't."

Why?

Don't all departments effectively decide within their areas of expertise?

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"IT should be ahead of the game and evangelizing new products"

No.

Marketing, Sales - they "evangelise".

(And probably think it's spelled with a zee).

In fact they're also the ones who like to use phrases like, "ahead of the game".

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Spelling evangelize with a Z is acceptable in British English (as well as obviously US English).

Wikipedia has an interesting piece of it, should you be interested:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_spelling_differences#Greek-derived_spellings

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