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The governor of California has outlined plans to make revenge porn illegal - but the inventor of this online phenomenon has warned the "stupid white man" that his plan is destined to fail. State Governor Jerry Brown passed Senate Bill 255 yesterday, which makes it illegal to post clearly identifiable nude pictures of a person …

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The real moral of the story is...

Don't send nekkid pictures of yourself to anyone,....even your husband or wife. Sure as hell don't do it via the internet or email.

You should know by now that in addition to being a profoundly stupid idea, the NSA looks at everything that goes over the web and the first thing they look at are pictures. (Cuz they might contain steganography, doncha know)

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The law?

Now whip me if I am wrong but where permission has been given to take such artistic photographs the photographer has the rights to said pictures...

So how would you differentiate?

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Re: The real moral of the story is...

Nah. The real moral of the story is that we're all naked under our clothes, and we all look more or less the same, give or take a few model variations across the two available variations. Celebrate it, don't denigrate it!

GJC

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Re: The real moral of the story is...

Much as I don't get the 'plicit picture sending - you would worry about your other half?? Really??

Trust is a shortage commodity as it is, no need to be paranoid. Just treat your other half decently.

Anyway, a printed picture is better how exactly?

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Re: The real moral of the story is...

No, the real moral of the story is everyone should wear more clothes so that they can take clothes off, take pictures and not have to worry about accidentally ending up naked in a photo or video that appears on the Internet. In an ad. Next to your CV while a potential future employer is evaluating you....

Or maybe the moral is "hoping elected idiots will develop an effective law to protect idiots who have done idiotic things that they later regret" provides a level of optimism not normally seen in these dark times...

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Re: The real moral of the story is...

If a potential employer rejected me because they saw a photo of me naked, then I suspect that they would not be someone I wanted to work for anyway.

GJC

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Re: The law?

Well, for any legitimate porn vendor (nudie magazine, adult website, porn movie producer, etc.), the producer/vendor is required by law to have a signed release from the models/actors AND proof of age on file. Presumably revenge posters DON'T have these things readily to hand should the authorities come a-calling so -- under the existing regs -- they're ALREADY in violation of the law. This just seems like a slightly different direction from which to attack the posters if the first one doesn't work.

...Which is fine by me; I see no reason why someone should be shamed and punished because they made an unfortunate choice in love/sex partners.

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Re: The law?

"...Which is fine by me; I see no reason why someone should be shamed and punished because they made an unfortunate choice in love/sex partners."

They are actually being punished because they made TWO unfortunate choices.

The first being taking the nudie selfie, and the second sending to someone whose judgement and character is beyond their dictatorial control.

Moral of the story: If you don't want pic of your bits flashed about all over the interwebz, then dont send then to anyone.*

*If you are going to send them, at least send pics that do not include any identifying features. No face, no tattoos, piercings, brandings, birthmarks, or in rooms with backgrounds which contain features that you have sent identifiable shots from. Plausible deniability. Utilise it.

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@MrDamage Re: The law?

*If you are going to send them, at least send pics that do not include any identifying features. No face, no tattoos, piercings, brandings, birthmarks, or in rooms with backgrounds which contain features that you have sent identifiable shots from.

You forgot to offer to check the pics first, as a free service, like.

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Re: The law?

Sir,

with reference to Monty Python, I fixed your post like so:

"of your naughty bits flashed..."

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Re: The real moral of the story is...

It mightn't be the picture of you that causes your rejection - it might be the picture of the other candidate...

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Re: The real moral of the story is...

I completely agree, but until we outlaw puritanism and any religion that promotes it, nothing will ever change. The fact remains is that NOTHING on the Web is safe or secure anymore.

Many years ago there was a song I heard with lyrics or title "Gentlemen take Polaroids" .

Still words to live by.

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Re: The real moral of the story is...

Well, you may be nekkid under your clothes, but I and the rest of the right-thinking folks have a coat of woad under our clothes. <Marches off, nekkid but for a coat of woad, singing The Woad Ode: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Woad_Ode>

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Re: The law?

The poster has to show they have the written permission of the posted.

Pretty simple isn't it?

If I'm in love and sending a selfie to my lover and they whip out a release

form and a pen then I guess I'd think twice.

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Re: The law?

Usually a payment record or a model release would suffice. That's what I've been assured matters for anything I've been in that "used my image".

I worked as an extra on TV and movies, before any further suggestions are made :)

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Re: The real moral of the story is...

Well, when you really want the job, and the employer has to pick between two equally qualified people, you'll probably be a tad remorseful that the pic got out when the other guy gets the role.

There again, there may be some place that do hire you because they've seen naked pics of you.. I'm not so sure they're someone I'd be comfy working for.

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"Now whip me if I am wrong but where permission has been given to take such artistic photographs the photographer has the rights to said pictures..."

The photographer has to get a model release in most countries.

As for selfies, the recipient is not the photographer - for obvious reasons.

It should be possible to claim copyright and have photos taken down, but the fact remains that if an image is on the net then it will never ever disappear.

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>> It should be possible to claim copyright and have photos taken down, but the fact remains that if an image is on the net then it will never ever disappear

Interesting angle actually, yes. If the 'victim' is also the photographer, then sending it to someone does not confer rights of distribution to them, just the normal provisions of copyright (copy for archival allowed, distribution definitely not).

So where someone is distributing the material for profit, you ought to be able to sick 'em with the full force of pretty much all the laws that the MPAA and RIAA have paid for in the last couple of decades.

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Cue people fitting others up for posting nude images of other people without their knowledge.

Perhaps they could have a law about that as well.

Then we could have people accusing people of illegally posting nude images under the guise of someone else ad infinitum...

It really is turtles all the way down.

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Tell you what, let them try the law intending to stop these assholes from abusing (because it is abuse) their former partners/lovers and then we'll see if there are turtles all the way down. I think that's better than letting the abuse continue 'just in case'.

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Just for the record, I was not trying to argue that this wasn't a serious issue.

Sometimes though, you have to take a broader view and avoid knee jerk legislation targeting specific, very narrow offences. Surely, this is harassment and that is illegal in many jurisdictions.

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The guy is a prat

Sooner or later he'll annoy the wrong person. That person will be someone with a hair-trigger temper and the means to find him and take him out.

I'll shed no tears for him when it happens.

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Re: The guy is a prat

A prat? That's a description of someone who did something stupid, or doesn't get something most of us feel is obvious. We're all prats occasionally.

There are several words I could use to describe this guy. Prat doesn't even begin to describe him.

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I don't know how copyright law works in the US, but don't the rights to photograph belong to the photographer (so in the case of 'selfies', to the subject of the photograph)?

Just asking.

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The subject of the photo, unless they have signed a model release, also has rights.

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"The subject of the photo, unless they have signed a model release, also has rights."

Unless they don't have a reasonable expecation of rights, i.e they are in public. Flash your boobs at a rock concert, you can't then claim rights to the resulting photos.

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Depends. It is rather more complex than that. If you are the subject of the photo you do have rights, no matter where you are, but if you are not (I.E. walking in the background of a photo in a public place) you probably don't. There are obvious exemptions to do with news and public interest.

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“We are animals. We are sexual. Maybe they need a class on reality: don't give your kid a phone."

Wow. Class act all the way there.

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Agreed

Is it just me or does he sound like a guy on a Grand Theft Auto radio station?

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"Wow. Class act all the way there."

Well "class" is what differentiates humans from animals. Given his view, we wouldn't expect to find him having any.

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Failure to connect the dots

Despite having already been stabbed once (with a pen), he apparently fails to finish the thought with "We are animals. When you annoy an animal enough, it will try to kill you." I look forwards to reading about him in the Darwin Awards.

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"Stupid white man"?

Wow. Way to go on avoiding a lawsuit for racism? Maybe not. Still, there's always another way to skin a cat...

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@ AC 1917h GMT - Re: "Stupid white man"?

Not just rascism. Agism, sexism and dumbism as well. This would be a case of "compound Ism-ism".

That'll be a new thing in California's courts next month . . .

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Anonymous Coward

Revenge is not a Christian value, so he ain't no "Christian boy" :P

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Yep and blowing people up isn't an Islamic value either so go figure. :P

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Um...

Whatever happened to "an eye for an eye"?

GJC

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Anonymous Coward

Have you read the Bible lately? or the pages of history? He and His followers are pretty adept at getting revenge. Ask the caliphs. Oh,...

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Revenge is not a Christian value

Yes it is, the Bible clearly states that you can take an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

Transferred into a modern context if someone assults you, steels your car, robs your home or even kills someone you know you are permitted to respond in kind.

also there are many instances of “God” endorsing or performing acts of terrorism in the old testament the story of Moses springs to mind.

This is a small part of the reason I stopped being a Christian before reaching adulthood

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Re: Um...

We ran out of eyes.

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Re: Revenge is not a Christian value

Unless his enemies have iron chariots of course, God is powerless against them.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/iron.html

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Re: Revenge is not a Christian value

Amazing how many people quote that old testament stuff without saying, through ignorance or malice, that the old testament is context for Christians. The new testament is the important one, in which it says:

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You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.'

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"But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.

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Re: Um...

Old Testament, (blood sex and revenge), superceded by New Testament (Love thy neighbour, etc)

If you subscribe to "an eye for an eye" then you're missing the point.

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Re: Um...

If you subscribe to [%RELIGIOUS_TXT] then you are missing a much bigger point.

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Re: Boring Bernie Re: Um...

Upvote (must be a flying pigs day).

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WWJSS

self-described “small town Christian boy.”

I think Jesus said it best (Matthew 7:12) - "In everything do to others as you would have them do to you; except for those sluts who send naked selfies - those bitches deserve it."

</sarcasm>

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Re: WWJSS

I'm sure he would like women to collect his naked selfies and masturbate over them.

The golden rule doesn't usually work on sexual matters.

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I'm an old white guy and I tired of being a punching bag for leftist thugs. Why is this guy taunting/insulting people based on race? If he wanted to get negative attention, he's now got it. If he think ''old stupid white men'' don't have the power and influence to unterly destroy him, he's so wrong, just look at the Government that makes our laws, 90% old stupid white men. I would have wish him well, but after his choice to insult the white race, I hope he dies.

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That's one of the most bizarre rejoinders I've ever seen... "How dare you say that stupid old white men can't hurt you? Stupid old white men like us run the world!"

Uhhh..... OK....

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Ah, his scumbag is

a leftist thug. You know, I was confused. I thought this guy was just another jerk looking to get rich off the misery of others. But that's just the American dream and how can that possibly be bad? But now you've explained that he's a leftist and a thug to boot it all makes sense. Obviously it's all part of Obama's plan to destroy the US and annoy old white guys. Thanks for explaining it.

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