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Republicans in the US House of Representatives are reportedly including blockage of net neutrality among their laundry list of demands tied to the passage of an increase the government's debt ceiling. This news comes courtesy of National Review Online, which reports that it received the outline of the GOP bill, which "originated …

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The Republican Dream

The Republican Dream:

A sweatshop America where compliant workers live in ignorance, fear, illness and poverty, while the 2% laugh and invest overseas.

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Re: The Republican Dream

You mean the 19th century.

And don't forget anonymous out-of-closet sexual hookups.

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Re: The Republican Dream@ecofeco

Oh, you must mean when they ended Slavery and passed the 13th and 14th Amendment.

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Re: The Republican Dream@ecofeco

you must mean when they ended Slavery

That would be the British, who then used their naval power to lean on other nations, including the US. For less than pure reasons no doubt, but still, there you go.

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Re: The Republican Dream@ecofeco

>Oh, you must mean when they ended Slavery and passed the 13th and 14th Amendment.

Sadly the Republican party of Lincoln hardly resembles either party today but the Republicans of today are lot more like the Democrats around the time of Civil War.

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And no big government interfering in yourlife unless it's to do with something their cloud father doesn't like and all hail Ayn Rand because we loved the movie but never bothered to actually understand objectivism and that it would mean supporting gay rights and abortion as Ayn did. There's morons on both sides, but boy does the far right specialize in them.

This is nothing more than a low attempt to appease from the loony toon Tea Party crowd. Seriously, to espouse the sanctity of the constitution, one of the most important documents written since 1215, and stand up in congress and read bedtime stories in a fittingly childish attempt to subvert the very process created by that constitution, hypocritical and moronic.

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Re: The Republican Dream@ecofeco

Is this the 14th amendment whose current interpretation justifies Team America World Police and subjecting anyone and anywhere to american law when USA sees fit? Same 14th amendment which mandates that America ignores international law in favour of whatever drivel their own legilslature produce?

That does sound like the GOP and it did not change much either.

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And this will win them the next election?

Just like our Eds socialist speech this week.

Political suicide.

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A sweatshop America where compliant workers live in ignorance, fear, illness and poverty, while the 2% laugh and invest overseas.

Oh, please. Yes, net neutrality and the debt ceiling shouldn't be tied together. That is lame but there is no need to go overboard with your statements. Democrats and Republicans both suck.

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Re: The Republican Dream@ecofeco

"more like" - actually I think they ARE the Democrats at the time of the Civil War. Actually, they were more rational back then...

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Re: The Republican Dream

Actually I find that Republicans and Democrats are exactly alike, just like most other political parties / constituencies: They want government to promote or 'free' any activity that they think is good and they want government to ban, tax or regulate any activity they think is bad.

Of course "activity they think is good" really means "activity that will personally benefit them and their peers", but is framed in the language "activity that will benefit the country". And the opposite for "bad".

Current version of Republicans are by far the worst, though, their take on "democracy" is "I don't care if we lost the elections and majority of USAians don't agree with us, we're going to do everything in our power to get our way coz the bible and Ayn Rand said so"

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" the bible and Ayn Rand said so"

Tell them Rand was an atheist and watch their heads explode!

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"Just like our Eds socialist speech this week.

Political suicide."

Why? You weren't going to vote for him anyway

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"Don't go overboard" with criticism of republicans? Oh I think we need to go a hell of a lot *more* overboard. This story yet again shows republicans peacocking around the senate, proudly wearing sandwich boards that advertise their gross corruption. Oh, I'm sure that each of the house representatives has endured a torrent of calls and letters from their constituents, begging for an end to net neutrality. That these senators have the lack of respect for their country to openly trumpet their status as corporate shills is absolutely disgusting. These wretches deserve to be dragged out of the senate by their hair and shot in the street. Here's hoping the people of the US show some balls for a change, and do just that.

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@rcorrect,

No they pretty much nailed it on the head. They want to remove minimum wage laws, remove unions, remove all regulations pertaining to amassing wealth and environmental issues, not pay any taxes, remove all social welfare programs, defund public schools, let them play with your social security, and Frack and drill where ever they want.

They pretty much are a collection of fat cat 1890's bank types. I would modify their statement though, it should be:

A polluted sweatshop America where compliant workers live in ignorance, fear, illness and poverty, while the 2% laugh and invest overseas from their luxury homes on private islands.

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A polluted sweatshop America where compliant workers live in ignorance, fear, illness and poverty, while the 2% laugh and invest overseas from their luxury homes on private islands.

So yeah, allow me to respond with some extreme generalization about the left that we've all heard before. That will get a lot accomplished. As I said, Democrats and Republicans both suck.

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And to clinch the explosive effect of Ayn Rand's atheism, just add off-handedly that she was Jewish (Alisa Zinovyevna Rosenbaum) and was educated in the USSR before coming to the US at age 21.

C-L

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Re: That would be the British

Um, no. You Brits sided with the south in that civil dispute.

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The "pox on both houses" sentiment is valid only if you want to take the most cynical look at politics. Not to say that you are of this ilk, but time and again, attitude and behavior research shows that the so-called "indepentents" and "both parties are the same" folk are ones who talk big but don't tend to know a lot about the political process, party platforms, or even basic information like their Congressional Representative. To put it lightly, such attitudes are the provence of folk who don't care but want to pretend they have a good reason not to care.

You could be an exception, but in that case I would question your knowledge of what the core principals of each party are, the various splinter groups within each party, the regional differences that can explain a lot more about the propensity of a Representative or Senator to vote in a way that might seem counter-intuitive or like they are "in the pocket" of lobbiests.

If you are trying to come up with another way to say, "I don't like either party because they don't represent my views," that's fine. But then you should at least have an idea of what other organizations out there represent you. As I tell others who complain about the current process: It's fine if you don't like it, it's fine if you feel left out. But if you want to be taken seriously, stop hand-waving the entire thing away and using it as an excuse to be apathetic and apolitical. If you truly care about these issues, you would expend some of that energy finding like-minded folks, something that is easier today than finding a lobbiest in Congress. Stop complaining and do something or stop pretending you care.

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> to vote in a way that might seem counter-intuitive or like they are "in the pocket" of lobbiests.

Oh you mean like how Obama has really pushed hard for Frank Dodd to be implemented (especially after the big Wall St. donations last election) or the fact he uses Homeland Security to go after the biggest threat to the homeland copyright infringers? I follow the system much closer than I probably should and can tell you the more you know the more crushing it really is. Really almost all of the time you are playing defense voting for the candidate that you think will screw you over the least. Anybody that says Obama is a socialist is a retard. The guy is only slightly more liberal than NAFTA Clinton was and is half as effective at governing.

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Jeeze! There is no hope for the US is there? Listen to yourself!

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Re: The Republican Dream@ecofeco

The British? I detect a foreign ideology lover who is ignorant of the history of slavery. And, of course, the US doesn't lean on anyone does it????

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Really? Is that really any different to the democratic aim of subjecting America to a foreign led ideology which frankly is by far the worst of all options? Trouble with closed minds and political dogma is that you rarely see the wood for the trees. Not that I would support Republicans but when you have a two horse race in any system you get pretty much the same outcomes either way.

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I live in Manchester where the cotton workers refused to spin slave-grown cotton. Stuff off.

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They did add a pony

And a lot more.

This is the basic laundry list of their demands:

-Return to chained CPI

-Reduction of SNAP benefits (food assistance for the poor)

-Zero funds for Obamacare (Affordable Care)

-Neutralizing the Consumer Protection Agency

-Roll back of almost all financial sector reforms

-Unrestrained domestic spying and neutralizing of civil rights

-Preservation of offshore tax havens and loopholes for the corporations

Essentially, they are demanding the repeal of anything that would benefit the average person and slow down the juggernaut of the corporate plutocracy.

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The corporate plutocracy

Sigh... Congress (especially, but not limited to the Republicans) used to at least *pretend* that its proposed legislation was for the benefit of the average person. Now they've even dropped the pretense. Guess they figure that with single-digit public approval ratings, the PR isn't worth the effort.

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"Reduction of SNAP benefits (food assistance for the poor)"

I actually WANT this one. Limit the eligible food list to wholesome foods, as the program is frequently abused to splurge on junk food. If you're going to be on the dole, lay down some tough ground rules to encourage better behaviour.

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Re: They did add a pony

That's all well and good as long as you also ensure *access* to said wholesome foods, which is not always a given.

You might also want to provide advice and education on how best to prepare them, as many people don't know how to cook.

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Ask yourself if the poor on food assistance are eating junk food because they want to or because it is the cheapest option? I can't find the article at the minute but there's a lady who wrote about living on the poverty line, and how she would have loved a little education as to what foods can be both cheap and nutritious.

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"...and how she would have loved a little education as to what foods can be both cheap and nutritious...." Ah but surely educating someone to help themselves get the best out of what they can afford would be seen as some form of "socialism" to the enlightened members of the GOP and therefore to be declared "unAmerican"

Murrica' F**k Yeah!

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Re: They did add a pony

If you want a pony, work for it and go buy it yourself.

As to your list, let me fix some things for you:

-Return to chained CPI not quite sure what shorthand you are trying to use here, but right now the CPI is fucked. You can't print money at the rate the Fed has been pumping it out without causing serious inflation (I lived through the Carter years when they didn't fiddle with the CPI). So yes, it needs to be fixed. I'm sure both single and married mothers would love to ignore the inflation rate for fuel and groceries just like the feds do.

- Reduction of SNAP benefits (food assistance for the poor) Reducing corporate welfare. And yes I damn well do want SNAP benefits reduced. Too many people sitting on their asses not doing anything.

-Zero funds for Obamacare (Affordable Care) Which so far has cost at least a couple hundred thousand jobs, billions in increased consumer expenses on their insurance assuming they can keep despite proposals, and is destroying the actual healthcare market in the US. I'm quite sure this isn't an unintended consequence.

-Neutralizing the Consumer Protection Agency Which, unlike the NSA, actually has an explicit license to spy on consumers. They aren't likely to do a damn thing for me except drive up my expenses. The sooner they are gone the better.

-Roll back of almost all financial sector reforms Which so far have added only sand to the gears of industry during the middle of the worst recession/depression since 1932 and haven't done a damn thing to stop any real fraud on Wall Street.

-Unrestrained domestic spying and neutralizing of civil rights Only in your dreams. The IRS wasn't working against commie groups, only the TEA Party and Patriot groups.

-Preservation of offshore tax havens and loopholes for the corporations. Republicans favor either the FAIR of the FLAT tax. Either of which would eliminate all of those loopholes. Most likely including the cherished "home mortgage" deduction. But if you aren't going to adopt those, fair is fair. All corporations should be treated equally by the IRS and not penalized because of the political beliefs of the party in charge.

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SNAP today is limited to "healthy" items. It's not just a cash benefit; there are very specific items that qualify. For example, many fruit juices don't qualify, because of the massive amounts of sugar they have for very little nutritional content.

Also, the reduction that is going into effect after Oct 1 is happening because it was a temporary increase as part of the stimulus bill in 2009. What Republicans want to do is remove a provision from a 1996 bill that allowed states the leeway to suspend a the 3 months of SNAP in 36 months for able-bodied, unemployed, childless adults. In times of economic duress, states are allowed to suspend the requirement that such folks get jobs or go to job-training programs if they want to continue in SNAP. Many states have suspended that requirement because of the economy. Republicans want to do away with that, in addition to reducing the already scheduled to be reduced SNAP benefit (which is about $4/day/person for those with the lowest income... not exactly Oscar-style filet mignon... or even McDonalds-style "food".)

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Most of what you are said was subjective, conjecture, gross exaggeration, or outright distortion. And then you delved into the world of paranoia and tin foil hats with the spying and the IRS, followed up with a healthy dose of "woe is me” martyrdom. Bush spied, Obama spied. The IRS went after crock-o-crap groups who filed like mad in 2010 to exploit a loophole, and those groups got mad they were caught being utter cocks. The fact that liberal groups also were checked at roughly the same rate (and rejected, something the right can't claim happened) doesn't register in your mind, because, you know, tin foil.

I’m not looking to engage you in discussion, mostly because it would be fruitless and filled with your own personal rants about particular grievances you or the website you couched your talking point from have against the government, people who work for the government, people who used the government, or people who might have six degrees of separation from government. Just wanted to make sure you and others knew how off-base and completely meritless you “responses” to another person’s post were.

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Re: Limit the eligible food list to wholesome foods

This topic came up yesterday at work. I said somewhere there's a serious disconnect because I've seen more programs to get food to people in the US who are below the poverty line than I ever have before in my life. But I know we have all these programs so how are people under-nourished?

The answer from my two black co-workers: because they sell their SNAP cards for pennies on the dollar to buy drugs.

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Re: as long as you also ensure *access* to said

Not my fault, not my problem.

It's you lot that bitch when WalMart wants to open stores in underserved areas.

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Re: @Tom 13

You're not looking to engage in disucssion because you're just another leftist bomb thrower.

What I posted is objective, proven, spot on, and true. Yes the TEA Party is diametrically opposed to your communist beliefs. That doesn't make them a crock. Yes they filed like mad in 2010 to use a loophole in the law. The same loophole you and your Soros related groups exploited in 2006-2008. We just used it to level the playing field. Liberal groups were not checked at anywhere NEAR the rate TEA party groups were. The raw numbers are all 87 TEA Party groups, only 12 liberal groups with an unknown number of applications. And those 12 groups got immediate rejection. They weren't left twisting in the wind until this day.

I'd recommend you updated your talking points but it would be pointless. Because I don't work from talking points, I work from facts and personal observations. I don't live in my basement. I live in the belly of the beast and I see how it abuses people on a daily basis.

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>when WalMart wants to open stores in underserved areas.

Only time people really bitch is when its in middle class neighborhoods that already have money and food options or when Walmart gets some corrupt local official to use public domain to allow them to put up the store (sadly this actually more common in blue states).

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Re: as long as you also ensure *access* to said

asdf,

I think you mean "eminent domain" where the government condemns the land, pays a 'fair' price to the owner (fair being defined as the lowest amount they can get away with) and gives the land over to a developer for a specific purpose. What Walmart does is get a multi-year tax abatement, a store built for free (due to all of the jobs they will create) and other incentives. Once the the tax abatement ends, they pack up leaving a monstrous building that can't be easily subdivided in a town now bereft of most other businesses and sets up shop just over a city or county line where they have negotiated another sweetheart deal to avoid taxes and get a new building.

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And the GOP doesn't understand why they lose elections

By no means am I a Democrat, but this just irritates the Hell out of me. This is a budget discussion and it needs to stay on budget issues.

Dodd-Frank bailout fund. This is a legitimate issue considering they are discussing how to spend money they have rather than just printing more.

Net Neutrality?? That is a separate discussion.

Stay focused on the job at hand.

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Re: And the GOP doesn't understand why they lose elections

except they dont lose elections. they won more elections than they lost, hence why they are able to use the house of representatives to hold the nation hostage

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Re: And the GOP doesn't understand why they lose elections

They don't lose elections, but they have a huge demographics issue impending. Basically if they don't reform and target normal people (human beings as opposed to psychopaths) they're not going to win many more if any elections (nationwide ones).

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@ Hud Dunlap

I am probably in the same position as yourself. Politically neutral, sat somewhere in the middle despairing at the insanity of it all.

Put basically the Republicans are either going to have to massively change their core philosophies away from being racist homophobes or breed like rabbits and wait 18 years or the changing demographics of the country will take any future wins away from them. Rather than grow a pair and adopt the philosophy the pretend to follow of objectivism and say whilst I oppose certain practices I support the persons liberty to perform them they will throw childish fits like this until they are relegated to gibbering wrecks. The only chance they really stand (and given the dems history) is that the democrats will self destruct. Remember the quote, maybe Will Rogers? "I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat".

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@Chad

The nation handed both parties a mandate, work together. One party has vaguely tried although not convincingly, the other has simply treated it as a reenactment of the Jerry Springer show. It's sad to see that they could not work with that mandate as it has hurt both of them. Even the Republicans have had some decent idea's but we have had stagnation and that has hurt us.

We really need a none of the above box, more than 33% of people tick none of the above and the candidates are catapulted towards the Antarctic and we start over.

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That's a little unfair on the Antarctic!

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Hey, Central and South America don't want your idiots, they have enough of their own.

Catapult them towards Hawaii, just make sure it only goes halfway.

Or dump them in central Greenland, let the Danish polar bears deal with them.

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being racist

Sounds like a liberal's wet dream to me.

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Re: @Chad

Whilst a none of the above box sounds nice, it's completely impractical. What do we do if it's triggered, decide district A doesn't need democratic representation, or not have a commander in chief, etc.

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Another election with new candidates, there's a chance it may cause parties to represent peoples wishes and not the companies donating money to them. Lobbying aka bribery, should be illegal in its current form. it certainly would be if I did it at work, but one law me us another for them.

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Re: And the GOP doesn't understand why they lose elections

Well, actually over the past few years they've used every district-gerrymandering trick in the book to make sure they have a big house majority even though house votes were pretty even. Dems also do it of course but Reps are shameless in it's use. And in working hard to disenfranchise poorer and minority (ie majority Dem) voters.

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