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Nominet - currently pushing its plan to let people shell out for .uk web domains without the .co, .org and other second-level labels - now wants to know if certain words should be banned from any .uk registrations. In July, the UK domain registry once again pushed to unleash a tidal wave of second-level domain names on the web; …

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Grubby little hands

rubbing grubby little gears, all churning away at a "non profit" to increase revenue. If only they would concentrate on doing their job, which is to not fuck up .uk

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But, if they don't increase revenue how can they give themselves the bonuses and pay rises they obviously think they deserve?

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for example, it's known that paedeophiles have code words, such as "hobby" which refers to a child

And some of them are even known to disguise themselves as whole schools!

I think I can respond to this with "give me a fucking break".

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and if you see a man standing in a shop rapidly clapping his hands behind and in front of him, it's means he's a pedo. It's a secret signal to other pedos that there's an unattended child in the vicinity (typically 120 meters)

Another code word they use is "bush2bush pipeman"

Must be true because I saw it on the news

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re: Another code word they use is "bush2bush pipeman"

But "Well, what about the juniper bushes over there?"

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Re: re: Another code word they use is "bush2bush pipeman"

I'm suddenly reminded of brass eye.

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they are one step ahead ....

(Use Tor or a VPN) - www.hobby.uk.com

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Hobbycraft anyone??

I'll let myself out.

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Re: Hobbycraft anyone??

Of course there's a historical precedent. Last time officialdom banned someone from using the word "hobby" he switched to using Subbuteo instead.

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Re: re: Another code word they use is "bush2bush pipeman"

"There's no evidence for it - but it is scientific fact"

That used to be a joke before Theresa May

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"And some of them are even known to disguise themselves as whole schools!"

And whole religions.

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Theresa May, Jackie Smith in a rubber mask?

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Banning words

Yes - how could that go wrong

Next week - lets go out and burn some books cos they have the banned words in them

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@ Colin Millar - Re: Banning words

Well, if we get CP* to have a word in it, book burning will only be the start.

I think she read "1984" and "Fahrenheit 451", but thought they were official guidelines. I suspect that as soon as she had her dinner with Jimmy Wales (he volunteered to enlighten her a bit about web filtering) she will put a proposal for a moderated, mirrored and change-locked UK-net whitelist to the House of Whoever. Since she can then actually guarantee that there's no smut whatsoever (not even anything that mumsnet could object to, they most likely being on the control board) on there, she'll probably even get it through.

Well, see it this way: Freedom of information was nice while it lasted. Time to move on, and maybe move out.

* Not Child Porn, Claire Perry, MP.

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Devil

. . . and another thing - Re: Banning words

Something completely related.

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Put them all on the sex offenders Register

Hmmm.

"Register".

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Hmm,

So admirers of hobby hawks are suspicious.

Deary me, what has the world come to.

If you ban innocuous words which are used by some as code words, they will simply use other code words. Ban those, and you will iterate the whole English Dictionary away very soon

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hobby hawks

buteobuteo.uk?

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Re: Hmm,

This is just silly, Its like Chris Morris has been put in charge.

However, I heard that people who want a 'Conservative Party' share the most filth that degrades society - ban that phrase for sure.

By 'Illegal' does that mean weed, wikileaks, Snowden will be filtered?

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Re: Hmm,

> you will iterate the whole English Dictionary away very soon

More like the Ninth revision of the Eleventh Edition of the Newspeak Dictionary, in which the only word remaining is "crimethink".

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Code Words

Yet more words that are kept secret from us and would cause a search on Bing to get flagged up.

Those are our words! (probably, I don't know what they are) Just because some elements of the criminal underworld have co-opted them doesn't make everyone that uses them a criminal.

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www.groomers.co.uk

Stop this filth!

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Re: www.groomers.co.uk

Now with improved Undercoat Raking and Horse Grooming! I shudder to think what Hand Stripping could entail,

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Re: www.groomers.co.uk

I saw a sign "Dog grooming this way" and was shocked they'd be brazen enough to advertise. Children is bad enough, but dogs?

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I could see banning offensive words,

although you then wind up with "scunthorpe" becoming proscribed, so that's probably unworkable, but compiling a list of otherwise innocent words that may (or may not) be used by undesirables to refer to illicit activities? Would this see meow-meow.uk being banned, as it might possibly be a page about mephedrone, rather than kittens?

Still, maybe paedos are as thick as Nominet seem to think, and forcing them to rethink their vocabulary will drive them off the internet? Mumsnet will be thrilled, I'm sure.

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Re: I could see banning offensive words,

Ah the good okd days of Microsoft chat where using totally innocent words like Scunthorpe or Cockermouth or jaffa cake would get you booted off.

Has the world learned nothing?

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Re: I could see banning offensive words,

The world has learned plenty.

Politicians... not so much.

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Re: I could see banning offensive words,

Why is Jaffa Cake offensive?!?

Did the Goa'uld put in a complaint?

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Quite the opposite

> considering rejecting registrations if they feature keywords linked to criminality

As anyone who's worked with Microchip's PIC processors will know, doing a web search for "pic" throws up millions of pages of garbage [ using the standard internet definition, garbage: anything not related to what I want to see ] and makes the name PIC a positive pain to find stuff for and presumably a liabilty for their marketing department.

So maybe instead of banning words that, at present have an association with dubious activities, but which tomorrow could have changed their meanings completely and been replaced by other "naughty" words - maybe Nominet should be positively encouraging as many people as possible to register sites with those words, close spellings or them, combinations and other possibile dodgy terms. That way the baddies, to some extent, be thwarted in their quest for naughtiness and might accidentally stumble upon something that's pure and good and right and might learn to mend their evil ways.

The only problem might be if you find that your mum has logged on to your honeytrap website ...

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Re: Quite the opposite

It's an interesting concept, but I can't help feeling that 'pure and good and right' and 'PIC' should not be in the same sentence.

Thirty-five instructions, and each and every one of them *wrong*!

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I knew those bastards at "Hobbycraft" were up to no good,

along with a local supplier of fuels and 'lubricants', "CP Petroleum". We're on to you!!!!1!

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They jest surely

This is pretty bone-headed. I'm sure they can't have thought it through...

Do they think that banning such words will stymie the pervy perpetrators? As if it's the keywords themselves that carry the power of the act?

Or is it more likely, as has been suggested above, that new words will be adopted and the world will continue as before.

Or perhaps I am missing the point, and they merely wish for words tainted by this association not to be present on a url...which seems rather unfair to the 99.9999999% of people who might wish to use them for non-nefarious purposes.

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Re: They jest surely

Could be any of those but it does at least help in furthering the myth that child abuse is largely carried out by strangers. As opposed to the sad truth that it is mostly family members and family friends who do these things.

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Re: They jest surely

All it would need is the crims to use some new words like Cameron, Microsoft, Nominet as "secret" codewords for particularly unpleasant acts and the whole concept would get dropped like a hot potato.

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Re: They jest surely

Or even better, get them to use the word "Google". That what way they won't be able to search for it without brining the who internets down!

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"This is pretty bone-headed. I'm sure they can't have thought it through..."

Since when did politicians think anything through - that would take far too much time and encroach into "golf time".

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Re: They jest surely

> Cameron, Microsoft, Nominet as "secret" codewords for particularly unpleasant acts

Steady on now - even criminals have standards

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On the contrary...

Do not ban such words, especially if they are/could be linked to child molesters. Rather, we should allow them.

The sites would make great dragnets/honey pots.

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"paedeophiles have code words, such as hobby"

That's it - I'm never going to hobbycraft again

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Let's go round again...

... that's all we'll do if it's a negative opinion on direct .uk registrations again. They'll keep going until we all get sick and tired of telling them what an incredibly bad idea it is and give up and just let them have their way.

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Newspeak...

... Double-plus good, Proles!

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http://www.fiddlerontheroof.co.uk

dodgy bastards. ban the website AND the play.

and fiddlers.

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Shift the offensiveness 1 to the left

offensive.words.pointlessly.banned.co.uk

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Careful what you search for...

Reminds me of the time my wife was looking for a well known outdoor equipment shop and searched for "blacks"...that's what she claimed anyway.

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Re: Careful what you search for...

There was this time I was looking for a font. I'd got it in TTF and liked it. It was (and is) called Bizzaro. Every glyph is made of one or more strange creatures like something from Italian carnival or a nightmare fairyland.

Although I had it in TTF, I was writing a book in TeX, well LaTeX to be exact, and that doesn't play nice with TTF. It needs the font to be built specifically for it, and I was wondering if anyone had done the work before.

So I googled "bizzaro latex".

The defense rests m'lud.

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Does anyone remember

Pen Island? (http://www.penisland.net/)

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Re: Does anyone remember

Our company firewall blocked "game lan" - until the Java developers screamed about losing access to "gamelan" sites.

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Re: Does anyone remember

I believe there is also a psychology website called therapist.com too.

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So, are they also going to ban any possibly offensive words that may be French, German, Spanish etc. in origin? Or words that foreigners may find offensive, but, which are perfectly acceptable in English? Maybe foreign language translations of suspect words too?

Apparently apple is a code word for a mass murderer's next victim. Allegedly. Maybe. Not at all.

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