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Wikileaker-in-Chief Julian Assange's campaign to win a seat in Australia's Senate has almost certainly failed, with the Wikileaks party securing just 0.62 per cent of the nine million votes counted in the nation's election. Assange has done a little better in the State of Victoria, with his party picking up a little over 25,000 …

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"a home for dozens of animatronic dinosaurs."

As long as it's only dinosaurs, and not dinosaurs mixed with biblical figures, I'm OK with it. ;^)

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"As long as it's only dinosaurs, and not dinosaurs mixed with biblical figures, I'm OK with it. ;^)"

Palmer may be a multibillionaire far right loony, but he's not completely barking mad.

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FFS!

Imagine having Noah part a sea of dinosaurs to let his people through on a replica of the titanic on wheels!

Now that would be worth the price of admission. :-P

Having said that... maybe he's trying to evolve into West World?

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In the United States we already have a home for dozens of animatronic dinosaurs. It's called "The House Of Representatives".

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A small miracle.

Julian Assange was hoping for a small miracle in both getting a seat, and being able to return to Australia without being arrested. Conventional wisdom states that Assange can not legally sit in the senate with his legal problems. Also, that such legal problems end political careers.

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Re: A small miracle.

He was. He failed. His motivations were impure and selfish, this is not the grounds for public life and getting people to view for your integrity.

Australians aren't stupid.

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Re: A small miracle.

Who wants to change a sofa for a seat, anyway.

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Re: Lars Re: A small miracle.

"Who wants to change a sofa for a seat, anyway." A$$nut, obviously, seeing as the sofa comes with no out-door walks and limited opportunities for ego-stroking chats how appearances.

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Re: A small miracle.

His motivations were impure and selfish, this is not the grounds for public life...

Publically impure and selfish, shurely?

What, me? Cynical?

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Re: A small miracle.

There are better whistle-blower organisations than WikiLeaks (they just have a low profile, which is probably a result of their higher integrity). I'd have voted for one of their people any election, but a representative of WikiCircus? Not likely.

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Makes me proud

"it appears this system may result in a candidate from the Australian Motoring Enthusiast Party winning a seat"

Finally, a genuine representative of the proletariat.

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Re: Makes me proud

Yeah right. from their policies; "We will not support legislation or public debate that is divisive or disrespectful." So we are going to suppress discussion on issues we don't agree with. The entire point of democracy is that you don't suppress discussion. And also who decides if it is divisive or disprespectful?

And; "Hurts the Australian way of life or penalises the law abiding for the sake of the irresponsible minority, thus making life harder for average Australian families or takes away the right to a “fair go” That's going to be a hard one, who decides what the average australian family is, and if they aren't average does that mean it's fine to pick on them for the benefit of the priveleged "average"? They do realise that almost nothing is at that point don't they, that average's are simply the midpoints of a possibly vast range of possibilities.

Should I also point out that some preferences from said party are directed to One Nation and Pauline Hanson, and as a result these minor party preferneces Pauline Hanson is now a senator, dog save australia, the queen certainly can't.

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Re: Makes me proud

Pauline would at least make a better Senator than Assange or the Christian Democratic Party. Which says a lot about the current crop of Senate candidates

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Re: Makes me proud

It was a joke, Steve. I guess it's my fault for not using the joke icon. My bad. Also, I think you take politics way too seriously, but that's a whole different issue.

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He didn't say that the party's agenda was good or responsible or even sane. He said it was a good representative of the australian working class. Which it may well be.

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Dammit

So the revheads get a seat but those of us who prefer to keep our recreational activities indoors are left out in the cold.

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Gee, you think?

Making changes in governmental policy doesn't work when the messenger is clearly deluded.

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Re: Gee, you think?

I'm not sure that's a valid statement; based only on observation of other Western policy makers. All my evidence is anecdotal though, so I could be wrong.

I'm going to go with my gut though and say that delusional people making and changing government policy is more the standard than the exception for the last 40 years or so anyway.

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Re: Gee, you think?

You mean that we haven't been led by the best and brightest minds of our generation? Thanks for shattering that illusion :(

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@jake - Re: Gee, you think?

Have you *looked* at the people who are being elected to office in the US or the UK or several other countries too?!

They're not just deluded, some of them are bat-shit crazy!

And you don't get a choice of candidate, you just get whoever the other nutcases tell you you're getting because they think the same way...

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The best thing to Come out of the election

Is that Assange didn't get a seat. He is a self serving egotistical moron who believes that everyone's private information (except his) is fair game. He wants the whole world to be run as he would like it. We just got rid of one egotistical moron in government. We don't need to replace him with another.

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Re: The best thing to Come out of the election

Assange appears to be a perfect textbook sociopath, you can just tick off traits from egomania and lack of empathy to sexual promiscuity and mythomania.

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Re: The best thing to Come out of the election

So, ideally suited for a career in politics, then?

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Re: The best thing to Come out of the election

Well, being a sociopath certainly hasn't hurt Newt Gingrich's career, that much is for sure.

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Re: Richard 26 Re: The best thing to Come out of the election

"So, ideally suited for a career in politics, then?" Not really as the key skill required is the ability to hide your flaws, not parade them out for all (voters) to see.

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Re: The best thing to Come out of the election

Do ya think that like Cameron he got the message? ;-)

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Re: The best thing to Come out of the election

I think we just did replace one egotistical moron with another.

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Didn't matter who we voted for

A politician still got the seat…

As for Wikileaks, did look for them, didn't see them anywhere on the Queensland senate paper.

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interesting system - have I found a flaw?

"Once a candidate gains that “quota” of votes, any other votes for that candidate pass to a voter's second preference"

I interpret this to mean that it must be important/significant in which order ballot papers are counted.

You could have one area within the state where a minor candidate has very strong support and the majority of the second votes are for this person.

If the papers from this area is counted first, then the voters first preferences are used up electing the major parties candidates.

If however they are counted later, once the major party candidates have gained sufficient votes, then all these second preferences would be effective for this minor candidate.

I presume the relatively low requirement of a 1/6th of votes, a wide spread of voter opinions and compulsory voting make a scenario unlikely but would it be possible to game the system?

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Re: interesting system - have I found a flaw?

I think (not an aussie here, so going by articles I've read in recent weeks) the second preference is determined by the candidate/party, hence why the Wikileaks party doesn't have much chance of a seat, as they don't appear to have any deals with other parties to gain their second preference votes.

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Re: interesting system - have I found a flaw?

""Once a candidate gains that “quota” of votes, any other votes for that candidate pass to a voter's second preference"

I interpret this to mean that it must be important/significant in which order ballot papers are counted."

This isn't how it works. How STV works is that, for example, say you have five seats and a million votes, so you need 200000 to win a seat. If no candidate has more than 200k then the person with fewest votes is eliminated and their votes are transferred, either by candidate's choice or why voter preference (ordering the candidates 1 to n). This continues until someone gets 200000 votes. Then, if they have (say) 250k votes, 200k of those are used to win, and the "excess" 50000 are distributed to other parties. How this is done is either candidate's choice or by taking the preferences of all voters and dividing by 5, i.e., 50000/250000. Play continues.

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"to build an exact replica of the Titanic"

Presumably what he really means is an exact replica before it sank.

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Re: "to build an exact replica of the Titanic"

> an exact replica

That's also the aim of the Australian Tautology Party of Australia as well, too.

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Re: "to build an exact replica of the Titanic"

Not really. Diesel engines and a full complement of lifeboats is pushing the definition of 'exact'. I think 'loose replica' is more correct.

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I think Assange would need a damn sight more luck/help than a political position in Oz to get himself out of his own self-inflicted predicament. One way or another he's going to face some time inside another institution the second he steps foot out of that embassy. And this time round I don't think there will be many people lifting a finger to help him.

Maybe if we just treat his current stay like the recent Channel 5 series of Big Brother; ignored by most people (and the media), to which the usual refrain is "Is that still going?". Might give him a bit of a clue if it didn't make the news every time he farted or something.

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Anonymous is still his private army...

...so I don't think there's much chance of him being ignored.

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Re: Anonymous is still his private army...

If Anonymous had anything remotely resembling a hierarchical leadership structure (or any organizational structure whatsoever) they might be something significant. But they don't, so they're not.

The very thing that gives Anonymous any kind of 'power' (loosely defined) is the very thing that prevents them from ever being more than a minor thorn in the backside of their enemy of the hour.

If you put 100 Anonymous members in a room with unlocked doors and a mission to leave the room, 75 of them would pull out their cocks and/or shit on the floor and forget to leave. Twenty of them would try to block the exits, three of them would be trying to figure out who just shit on their shoes and the other two would leave during the confusion, but only because they got bored, not because they were supposed to be leaving.

I think that's the way they like it too. They can play or not play as their wishes dictate. That's fine, but it limits the extent of their reach and power.

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"Can you tell what it is yet?" ;-)

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Re: Anonymous is still his private army...

Oh Eff Off.

The Anonymous of old, the one you talk about, the one which spent its days IRL harassing tween girls and people who were mean to cats, "for teh lulz", doesn't exist any more. What exists today is Assange's Private Army, consisting of equal parts libertarian conspiracy nuts and undercover law enforcement agents pretending to be libertarian conspiracy nuts.

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Re: Anonymous is still his private army...

I take back what I said earlier: 40 of them would be blocking the exits, 40 of them would be trying figure out if it was a setup and twenty of them would be making investigation and arrest lists.

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Regardless of Wikileaks' mission for freedom of information...

...Asange still comes across as an egotistical prick, like a Michael Moore 2.0

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small correction

In a half senate election, the quota for electing 6 members is actually one-seventh of the vote cast. (Similar to the quota required for electing one member for a lower house seat is one-half of the vote cast.)

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Call me naive, but I thought the "brick with eyes" was going to be an actual brick with some googly eyes stuck to it. Stupider things have been elected, after all. And it makes so much sense: after a long and scandal-free career (hard to get up to the usual politician shenanigans if you're a brick); the brick could retire by way of being used to build cells for the other politicians. Brick is a national hero and Australia would be that much better off...not least because bricks don't have much in the way of expenses.

I read the story, but still prefer my version. Maybe next election...

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"an actual brick with some googly eyes"

Just as well that wasn't the case; far as I can tell, the last thing we need is for more of Google's eyes to be looking at us.

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The Chair recognises the Rt. Hon. Tub of Lard MP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmys4LH9jTE

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Once more with feeling

Having seen the goof reels from the electioneering, I think it's pretty much business as usual in Oz.

No matter who you vote for, a self-centred arsehole always gets elected.

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Re: Once more with feeling

Until some by the name of Sidebottom gets elected, then it will always be a self centred arsehole who gets in.

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And I thought

English Politics was weird at times but these Aussies have beat us to the ashes yet again

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