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Xbox buffs can get their mitts on Microsoft’s new console, the One, on 22 November - eight years on from the Xbox 360’s arrival in the US. The console went into “full production” this week, Microsoft claimed today. It will hit the streets in 13 countries to begin with, including the US, UK, Canada and Australia. The initial …

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Xbox's marketing vice-president, Yusuf Mehdi, announced the firm's rollout plans in a statement.

"The culmination of many years of listening to you, our fans, developing innovative technology, and partnering with the best game and entertainment partners in the industry has brought us to this point," he said.

"There is still a lot more work to do, but the teams are making excellent progress and are focused on launch."

He confirmed that the console recently entered full production in preparation for the launch. Pre-orders had sold out faster than any of the company's previous gaming products, Mr Mehdi said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23961357

So in full prodction and still a lot more work to do

Who's going to be a brave early adoptor ?

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Mine was pre-ordered on the day I could do it! Day 1 edition too! Shame they turned round on the always online thing, was looking forward to being able to digitally sell games and borrow digital games from friends.

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> Pre-orders had sold out faster than any of the company's previous gaming products, Mr Mehdi said.

Translation: we made fewer of them than any of the company's previous gaming products.

It's in full production for two and a half months to cover existing orders. It sold out quickly, so there are probably at least twice as many people wanting it as have been allocated product. So to satisfy even those people who already tried to order, they will have to continue in full production for at least another two and a half months. As the release date approaches and arrives, and the first hands-on reviews are published, even more punters will pre-order.

So if they are serious about being in "full production", I would expect new orders to be delayed for several months well into 2014.

I'm sure that looks good to the shareholders, but it sucks if you want to buy product.

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I'd rather that they kept the ethos that there's still a lot more work to do over sitting back and saying 'job done' and/or 'here's another minor version update that removes a feature'.

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Translation: we made fewer of them than any of the company's previous gaming products.

Alternative Translation: These damn things are selling in huge numbers, no matter how much anti-MS trolls and Sony fanbois try to make it seem like no-one is going to buy them.

'So if they are serious about being in "full production", I would expect new orders to be delayed for several months well into 2014.'

...I'd love to see your credentials for that statement. It would certainly 'suck' to make such sweeping statements when you have less experience of this scale of rollout than the people who are actually doing the job.

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Work to do....

The work remaining to be done is most likely on the OS, and on the XBox Live back-end system. None of that work would require hardware changes.

The console demands a network connection on first power-up, no doubt to dowload last-minute patches to the OS etc.

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> your credentials for that statement.

I was in the queue for the Acorn Atom, and for the Raspberry Pi. :-)

The question is the definition of "full production". If they mean they are going flat out, then they cannot cover the demand. If all they mean is that they have started one out of ten factories, then they should be able to. It would be a rather disingenuous use of the word "full" though.

I'm not a fanboi; I wont be buying either platform for a long time, if at all. I'm just sitting back in my deckchair munching popcorn.

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The culmination of many years of listening to you, our fans,

And 6 months of panicking and U-turns on just about every feature we said it'd launch with at E3:

DRM stuff - gone

Always on interwebs - Gone

Kinect - doesn't have to be switched on

Clearly listening to the wrong set of fans, eh?

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@Atonnis re: fanbois

Fanbois are definitely the issue, pro fanbois can be relied on to facilitate launch sell outs with only minimal effort. That means launch day sales aren't reliable indications of anything - unless of course even the fanbois boycott the product OR you have enough stock to cover massive walk-up sales.

Selling out on pre-order pretty much excludes any non-fan sales, ordinary uncommitted buyers just don't do it. Xbox 180 was well on the way to pissing off enough XB fanbois to cause a problem though, hence the desperate u-turns. XB 180 is firmly in that 'no-one knows what it means' part of the graph. Back in the real world XB 360 is where the new games are and most owners aren't feeling any pressure to upgrade.

Me? I might throw £200 at a better-than-XB180/PS4 GPU and some more RAM for my PC. Cheaper games on a better box they already own seems to be interesting many of the console owners I've talked to as well.

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Shame they turned round on the always online thing,

Really isn't.

was looking forward to being able to digitally sell games

Not anywhere near launch you wouldn't.

and borrow digital games from friends.

For an hour.

Seriously, the original plans were some straight up anti-consumer bullshit. Ask yourself this: why would either of the features you've mentioned as benefits (dubious as their apparent implementations were going to be) require the console to constantly check in with MS?

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"Who's going to be a brave early adoptor ?"

Eadon

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Coffee/keyboard

Congratulations!

You owe me a new keyboard. And table. And everything else that just got caught in the spray of coffee :)

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Re: Congratulations!

You should not drink and surf El Reg.

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@Big_Ted

They already said that there would be a day one patch to be downloaded. This will be the same as with the Wii U, although they didn't say anything about the size of the patch, which is worrying. The work to be done seem to be more in software than hardware.

That being said, I do hope that they would allow for an offline patching of the console (the same way they do with the Xbox360 and Sony does with the PS3). Many people have a better connect at the office than they do at home; plus offline patching means immediate patching instead of going through the download process. (Note, I for one will unplug the console when it is not in use, zero power consumption is better than low).

As a side note, I pre-ordered mine when I could, but I am contemplating whether I should continue with the purchase or not. None of the shown exclusives looks interesting to me, and the interesting games are coming to the PS4 as well (which I pre-ordered as well).

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Answer me this, can you do any of that with Steam? the 1 day thing I agree was too short, 14 days to a month would be fine. A purely digital market place would hopefully see game prices come down significantly much like they did on Steam and have on Origin!

People not wanting to take the step forward into the digital age has put us back 10 years. You think physical media for gaming will last past this gen? I certainly don't think it will

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People not wanting to take the step forward into the digital age has put us back 10 years.

The problem is that what MS were trying to do, aside from the blatantly anti-consumer attempts to destroy (or at least take control of) the second hand market, required an internet that for large parts of this country, and much of the rest of the world, may well still be 10 or more years away. Games on Xbox One & PS4 are likely to be 30GB+. I wouldn't fancy downloading those on my shitty connection...

The other problem, of course, is that when the outcry came MS decided to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I can think of several ways they could have implemented most (not all, admittedly) of the things they were planning without requiring an always-on connection.

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Answer me this, can you do any of that with Steam?

Actually, similar things have been proposed and rumbled around Steam for a while now. In fact, people digging around in a recent beta found this:

http://www.pcgamesn.com/steam-might-allow-game-borrowing-says-latest-beta-update

It seems inevitable that they will arrive, especially with other marketplaces starting to provide real competition. Which neatly leads me to...

A purely digital market place would hopefully see game prices come down significantly much like they did on Steam and have on Origin!

Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnope. Think about it. Xbox would have one marketplace, and you'd be tied to it. What in ten hells is the incentive to reduce prices? Steam, Origin, GoG, GMG, etc reduce prices and flash sale products because they have to compete with each other for your dollar. Steam used to be way more expensive than it is now, but the emergence of other marketplaces led to their aggressive pricing. Now, what competition is there for that on Xbox?

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"People not wanting to take the step forward into the digital age has put us back 10 years"

This utter horseshit needs to die today. There was never any need for so restrictive an online policy to implement the ill defined and unexplained 'digital age' features, despite the whining of the fans.

Don't believe me? Microsoft just announced the return of the first group of those supposedly lost features!

There was no legitimate reason for the compulsion for anyone not using the features. There was never an excuse for needing a connection just to play any arbitrary game. And Microsoft finally got round to admitting it can all be done voluntarily with a hell of a lot less intrusive and potentially experience wrecking connection requirement.

Time to STFU

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And it begins again.

Ive looked out my book of gamer cliches. Ive got my RROD tshirt washed and pressed. Im preparing to ask where the ingame XMB is. Ive read up on DDR3 and DDR5 memory, and my knowledge of DVD vs Blu ray drive speeds is upto date.

Im ready. Bring it!

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Re: And it begins again.

Ow. The first time I read your post I read it as 'Im ready. Bing it!'..

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8 years

Wow, that's a long time in computer terms.

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Re: 8 years

I still think of the 360 as "that new XBox" :(

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Re: 8 years

I just wonder how Sony are paying for all the advertising they get on EVERY SINGLE XBOX ARTICLE the Reg decides is anti-Microsoft enough to publish.

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Re: 8 years

I just wonder how Sony are paying for all the advertising they get on EVERY SINGLE XBOX ARTICLE the Reg decides is anti-Microsoft enough to publish.

Oh look, another fanboy accusing El Reg of hating their favourite corporate overlords. Because El Reg never laid into Sony after that whole hacking business, or when Other OS was removed, nooooooooo.

Fuck off.

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Re: Sony Adverts

Unless Sony own VMware or Huawei they aren't spending as much as you think

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Re: 8 years

Absolutely they did, and rightly so.

However, what they didn't do was run articles like PS3 DUE IN NOVEMBER (but Xbox is cheaper and less eevil, dudes)

which this one basically is, only in Sony's favour. And so have the last twelve - count 'em - been,

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So what happened to all the controversy about being forced to play with an always on connection, or at least go on-line once per day, buy new licenses for resold games, etc. etc.? I know that MS backed down a bit, but where does it stand now in relation to the PS4 on those issues?

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Noone is likely to rock the boat right at release, knowing Sony this kind of stuff will be snook in once the PS4 is sittled, like the Other OS stuff.

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I know that MS backed down a bit, but where does it stand now in relation to the PS4 on those issues?

They backed down more than a bit, I think the only thing they haven't backed down on is the bundled Kinect with every console.

The fact that they tried to pull all that crap in the first place is enough for me to steer well clear though.

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like the Other OS stuff

How many people seriously bothered with OtherOS? I did, for ages, it sucked. You couldn't use it as a general computer as it ran like a lame donkey, so unless you just wanted it for it's massive computing power (but inability to run a 720p video properly) it was largely a novelty. The people that seriously used OtherOS were universities and research groups, and they wouldn't have bothered updating the firmware, and thus wouldn't have lost the feature. If you were using it as a headless torrent server that sounded like a F100 TurboFan Jet Engine, more fool you.

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Yeah, you get to pay £80 more for the privilege of a piece of hardware you don't have to use to make the console function anymore.

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re: like the otherOS stuff

Indeed, the only only people making a fuss as those that never used it.

If you had, you wouldn't be crying so much, it was a mostly useless novelty feature, never promoted, and removed when hackers showed how they couldn't be trusted with it, using it as an attack vector to try and crack the console for pirated games.

Anyone still crying is basically still butthurt that Sony removed the very un likelypossibility that they could play Bit Torrent downloaded games on it.

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Re: re: like the otherOS stuff

I never even owned a PS3, so I don't miss it I am just saying while Microsoft may not be the best, Sony don't exactly smell of roses here and are well known for their love of DRM.

As for the Kinnect, I got one for my 360 and it is great fun, will be looking forward to what happens with the new version especially once my little boy gets bigger and can use it too.

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It was very, very good for video processing. I'm actually surprised that people aren't doing bitcoins on them, but I guess Moore's law comes to us all.

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Alright, I'm gonna say it, I just don't buy the conspiracy theory that day one supplies are deliberately retarded to gain some nebulous "we sold them all!" PR benefit.

Two options:

1. Throw as many XB1's into the sales channel as you possibly can, because public awareness of your product is never, ever going to be higher than on opening day. Sell them by the truck load, securing the largest early user base as possible and maximizing attachment revenues across the life of the product. Make a ton of money.

2. Don't make enough, or make too many and hold half of them in warehouses somewhere and hope that the information somehow never leaks out. Crow about how you sold out and how awesome you are, in the hope of recreating some solid word of mouth for your next supply drop, and maybe make more money.

it makes *no fucking sense* to do anything but option 1. Please persuade me otherwise, and have some facts to back it up.

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Re: Please persuade me otherwise

I imagine MSFT might be wary with XBox after the failure of the Surface RT launch - not the same market, I know, but they've never made money with XBox hardware anyway, just covered costs. Imagine what would happen if they had another RROD experience ...

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Or Option 3:

Make the smallest number you can get away with, in case an important hardware design issue is found - or it's a flop.

Then you have far fewer that have to be repaired/replaced, and even more importantly, aren't left with a massive stock you can't sell because they're either flawed and need parts replacing, or nobody wants them.

Both of these scenarios have hit MS in the past - RRoD, Surface RT...

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It's just basic reverse psychology. Telling someone they can't have something makes them want it even more.

Fact backup - I'm a parent of three kids.

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Direct

The comment about only getting Fifa if you buy direct isn't right unless you're somehow considering buying from Game or Amazon as being "direct"

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Version One.0

Best to wait. Let's see the games, let's see a detailed spec, let's not hear a lot of fan noise, let's hear the opinions of customers.

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Re: Version One.0

Yep definitely waiting until after the holidays before deciding and buying. I hate both companies about equal so in no rush to buy right away. Leaning PS4 because I resent spending $100 more on a stupid novelty hardware device I have no interest in (Kinnect). I almost wish Nintendo had any kind of the third party support so they were a viable option.

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Xbox live content can't move between the 360 and the 180. there's been a lot of sales on xbox live recently, it's going to be a long time before I consider getting a 180 (preferably without the connect).

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No worries

I am still picking up a PS4 on the 29th

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Re: No worries

I'm definately getting a PS4, but given the horrors of the original PS3 60GB, I'll be holding back.

Can't quite believe anyone who'd prefer an XBox has also forgotten just how many of the original units failed almost right away.

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Re: No worries

or how they were ripped off with overpriced addons, off-the-shelf peripherals that were intentionally modified to mean paying the Microsoft tax (HDD to name one), the HD DVD waste of space, the power bricks, the 5 years of failed attempts at making it work?

The funniest part for me, is how Microsoft made these deluded idiots believe they had a better network because they were paying for it. It's the classic emperors new clothes, their beloved P2P network was slowing everyone in the game to the slowest connected player. PS3 owners were enjoying dedicated servers that didn't suffer from this problem, and were getting those for free.

Then there is the Playstation Plus, which makes Xbox Live Gold look even more of a con.

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Re: No worries

PS3 online gaming.

No most is still peer to peer. Servers cost money, PSN being free meant no dedicated servers.

You still get lag killed and you still get the occasional I am a killing machine and not dieing.

I have tried 5 shooters to a reasonable amount and all are peer to peer, including some of the biggest names.

I am being sort of willingly forced into PS4 as otherwise I will get wiped out if I leave it too long. My friends are very excited and all have preorders in. Launch one game is priority.

The weekend of 30th November & 1st December will be spent on Vekta.

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Re: No worries

Until you realise that Playstation Plus on the PS4 includes virtually nothing - No Gaikai, no TV, no movies, just multiplayer. Everything they've promised for it is delayed until at least next year in the U.S. and indefinitely everywhere else.

I own a 360 and a PS3, but gave up on the Sony after the numerous hacks and the painfully slow response of PSN (downloading identical DLC for the same game on both systems takes EIGHTEEN times longer on the PS3 for a hardwired connection running through the same router).

MS have never given away my financial details (and gone to court for it) and never actively encouraged their fanboys to make outrageous and inaccurate claims that they have absolutely no way of backing up.

Oh, and this is also my THIRD PS3 after the first two failed and were beyond economical repair, whereas I own two 360s (one of which was bought before I had a PS3 and is still working just fine).

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£430!!!!!

They could release it anytime. Halloween with a pumpkin mask and downloadable fireworks. Christmas eve with a fanfare of blue elephants, DDR16 memory, a gaggle of nubile female priests from a secretive lesbian sect in Bhutan and a three eyed leopard with a top hat to make it such a spectacle - and I still wouldn't touch this overpriced plastic box with a bargepole.

We've seen the future that MS want to impose on their users - and despite the fact they've had to backtrack to save face in this instance - you just know that all of these "features" will all be snuck back in by stealth once that userbase is established.

No thanks MS, I don't want your "vision" of the future.

Best of luck to all those that do though. Best of luck indeed.

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Re: £430!!!!!

So basically it doesn't matter what Microsoft does you're never going to buy one...

Nothing like a closed mind to brighten the day.

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