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Mark Zuckerberg's altruistic finger is twitching just as usage of his free content ad network appears to have plateaued. In a post on his personal Facebook account, Zuck asked: "Is connectivity a human right?" He thinks the answer to that question is "yes" and the copper-haired, flip-flop-wearing billionaire wants to work with …

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Anonymous Coward

Dear Mark, they don't exist

The majority are fake accounts in Bangladesh aimed at getting fake "likes". Sorry to break that to you

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WTF?

Re: Dear Mark, they don't exist

Hey Mark -

How about working on literacy and equal rights for women first?

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Re: Dear Mark, they don't exist

You know, perhaps changing my name to a Bangladeshi name would be a way to re-gain my privacy.

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Re: Dear Mark, they don't exist

Zuckerberg is a parasite. It's all about inflating the perceived value of Faecesbook. Businesses like that operate on a considerable amount of imaginary money. In the end, when advertisers are paying out more than they perceive benefiting, and investors are losing money, it all comes to a head.

So it doesn't matter to him, it's just numbers. The more users he can claim to have, real or imaginary, the more imaginary money he'll have. Just like all those people who request account deletion, but it doesn't really happen.

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Hm, I'm not getting it

So the stagnating growth in users is down to lack of disposable income which would be required in order to afford internet access?

Why would he want to bring users without money to facebook? The product of a free ad network is a user WITH disposable income that can be spent on the advertised items and services.

If I wanted to place ads to sell my offerings, I'd surely be very interested in the demographics. Billions of people without money is clearly not where I'd be looking for customers.

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Re: Hm, I'm not getting it

You lack faith.

Charity, technology, and capitalism—the Three Virtues—join hands in the dance of life.

The heavens open, the angels sing; Zuckerberg, Google, et al. find ways to monetize poverty.

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Headmaster

Re: Hm, I'm not getting it

True, true.

It's a noble cause, but I'm not sure $1B will be enough to lay fiber optic cabling in areas of the world that lack running water, and roads.

But Whatevs, Facebook.

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Re: Hm, I'm not getting it

Advertisers are keen to get in early in emerging markets where big brands are not yet established. Think of washing powder, most westerners think Arial / Persil etc. brands are keen to indoctrinate that into the minds of people in emerging markets too even though people living there may not currently be able to afford your product they may at some point in future and as a brand you want to build that association early before your competitors get a chance to.

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Re: Hm, I'm not getting it

I think he needs to worry a little closer to home. Disposable income in NA has been sliding for 30 years.

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Mushroom

Simple answer

There is apparently no polite way to tell someone to fuck off, so I'll try this: Well, Mr. Zuck, take your site and you can stick it and shove it up your ... well, you know where.

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Re: Simple answer

I'm with you there. Props to the man if he can work out a way of getting poorer parts of the world connected, of course, but that still doesn't mean I'm playing. Anything that requires a facebook I can live without.

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Zuckerberg and Google seem to think the internet and its users exist solely for them to abuse and make money from. They'd have us walking about with digital billboards stuck up our arses if they thought they could convince a politician it was for our own good.

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I don't agree. Google, yes... but I get the impression Zuck genuinely believes in this guff. He sounds like a typical nerd talking about how great the internet is, etc etc. If a nerd makes something cool and suddenly people are throwing $billions at them, what exactly do you think is going to happen?

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You seem to think that Facebook is any different from Google (or Microsoft, despite their bullshit statements to the contrary) as far as mining data for advertisers and the NSA is concerned.

I think the main way Facebook and Google are different, is that Facebook probably has even more information on its "customers" than Google does. Google is a search company, Facebook is a walled garden. Google wants to "organise the world's data", Facebook wants to own it all. Those, I think, are your main differences.

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@ M Gale:

Regarding the difference between FB and the Google, I think it is better to look at the flow of 'actionable' data, that is, what can the company do to monetise the data stream regardless the walled garden.

Google sells ads based on what you are looking for actively and your searches and navigation of results help refine the algorithm constantly. If you happen to search logged in, then it tries to use anything it knows about you to sort the info based mostly on relatively direct (emails and searches are far more information containing than one's breakfast or drunk pics) ancillary info.

On the flip side, FB tries to target ads based on random interactions of less purpose. Sure they have more 'connection' data, but it is mostly noise and unlikely to be able to decipher whether the so called social graph is representing a trend shift or simply people acting like a herd of buffalo being chased off a cliff. In the end the problem is that it is far more difficult for FB to separate action from intent and I think this is what the walled garden and other missteps emerge from rather wanting to 'own' data.

Or more simply, FB has no way to organize their data since there is no way to get the user to do the bulk of the heavy lifting like Google does. Google has you do the refining of the data set while FB has you add to it at whim. This pretty much explains why Google pushes ads it thinks are related to what you are looking for, whereas FB tries to use everything it thinks it knows about you to try and predict your next step and does so horribly, notwithstanding the differences in function between the platforms.

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@JDX:

I don't take anything Zuck says or does at face value. He is stuck in a pickle as costs are going up faster than revenue is increasing. I also think that this is simply smoke and mirrors so Wall Street can keep up the scam as insiders and VCs get out.

The real problem is that FB is essentially a utility company pretending to be a tech company. It is likely to be profitable in the long run, just at an order of magnitude smaller than the market anticipates. In the meanwhile we get to sit back and watch how long this farce persists.

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I agree it's a good thing to get more online - though I can't help struggle to work out what part Zuckerberg says he or his company are going to do. I mean, companies like Nokia have done huge amounts of work in getting communication and online access to over a billion people around the world over the years with low cost devices, usually for very little recognition by the press who'd rather focus on the latest flashy expensive device from a US company. By comparison, this looks like some high-school essay on Why I Think It Would Be Good For More People To Be Online, but doesn't actually say anything other than they'll make the site use less data (good - but nothing notable, and they've got a long way to go to get back to the simplicity that most sites manage).

Here's my high school essay: Stop trying to force everyone into a walled garden, where I have to be on Facebook to be able to do things online.

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I have to agree on your last comment; I couldn't even use the Twitch chat applet yesterday without providing it with a valid facebook id....ridiculous.

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Anonymous Coward

Any apps, web site, etc that requires you have a Facebook login is not worth having or using.

What if Facebook locks your account? Are these apps, web sites,etc also locked out?

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And billions without basic eye-tracking assistance

They must be rescued from activities that might endanger themselves. When they are all looking at FB ads and nowhere else, they can do no harm...

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Zuckerberk wants this for only one reason...

He's hoping they all sign up to FacePalm, so he can sell their souls to advertising Shoggoths.

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Anonymous Coward

Why bring poor people online?

Users with no money = Targets for payday loan companies.

Who knows maybe one day everybody will go enough is enough and start to leave Facebook en-mass?

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Re: Why bring poor people online?

The same way everyone got bored with mobile phones and email and went back to landlines and fountain pens?

FB may go but social networking is clearly here to stay until something else replaces it - it is a natural idea that once the infrastructure supports it, the way people communicate will change.

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Water

Should we not start by making sure everyone has access to clean safe drinking water. Then we can worry about the luxuries.

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Re: Water

Nah, we need to provide them with connectivity so we can track them...

Then, once we make sure we can track all of their water use, we can go about selling them clean safe drinking water *cough*Bechtel*cough*

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Re: Water

Who exactly is this "we"? What exactly are you doing about it?

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Anonymous Coward

NFC == No Frigging Chance

Of me ever signing up to Faceblock or Twatter. So Mr Zuckerberg you will have to change your guestimates.

anon as I do not want the inevitable bombardment of adverts.

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Mushroom

Re: NFC == No Frigging Chance

Agree 1000%. Have absolutely no use for any of this "social networking" tripe.

If people are so devoid of their own self-worth that they need "followers"...or "likes" (how old are you anyway FFS that you need someone to "like" you...9?) to bolster their pathetic, fragile egos...then civilization is rapidly headed straight down the Loo.

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Re: NFC == No Frigging Chance

Well done for proving how little you actually know about what these websites DO.

Liking is as important a part of FB as the post voting is on these forums.... not very.

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What's that smell?

My shitdrivelometer always goes off the scale when the sweaty one opens his mouth.

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Anonymous Coward

"Zuckerberg wants 6bn humans online"

I have the utmost distain for Fakebook users, so he can at least -1 that figure. I ain't his bitch.

It's the 21st centurys working mans club. Wouldn't touch the "council" trash with a barge pole.

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So Zuck wants to get the world's unwashed masses online...

So he can act as a kind of customer portal/personal data CRM for the world's telecom/ISPs--for a fee of course.

Sounds like a good business model if you can get the people online....

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FAIL

i love facebook.......not

i have a face book account, i use a fictious name with a made up bullshit profile, i just use it to keep in touch with family who are far away... OH yes i also use ad blockers for facebook & google, my screen is un cluttered by ad crap.

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Re: i love facebook.......not

Yes, FAIL indeed

I simply refuse to sign up to Facebook and force my relatives(*) to communicate/"share" with me via various of the multitude of other existing fully functional methods.

I still don't get why so many people now think that you need to be on Facebook to chat and share photos?

(* = Note - I have a fairly good reason for needing to communicate with family electronically rather than in person - I live in the UK and my family live on the opposite side of the planet in NZ...)

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Re: i love facebook.......not

"i just use it to keep in touch with family who are far away"

Of course! Because NO OTHER method exists?

Until Fakebook came along, no one EVER communicated with each other.

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I wonder how long fake accounts will be legal.

How long until it's a serious offense, punishable by thousands of pounds in fines, for registering on Facebook or Google Mail under a fake name?

Google and Disqus do a good job of linking fake accounts to real ones, but many slip through the net, and that makes it harder to target them with ads. Clearly the government need to stop these freeloaders, child porn peddlers, hate speakers and terrorists!

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The first time

I ever saw Farcebook I thought it was kind of creepy, full of inane pointless and meaningless drivel, then later when I realised it was just a trap where data vampire could suck the lives of the masses into their ad machines, I began to despise it.

So Count Zsuckerberg wants to subjugate the entire planet and have them drowning for eternity in utter drivel while he sucks their souls and data to give life to his planet sized ad space? All I can say is; F**k him and the crappy site he rode in on!

The only real thing aside from his money the Count has achieved is to dumb down that portion of the world's population that is already on Farcebook.

We need some kind of anti farcebook icon!

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zuckerberg wants poor children connected

so they will get cyber bullied to death.

cos if it happens to white kids, zuck aint gunna let those other colours get away from it. he's all for equality.

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Is it just me, or does the fanatical, boiling hatred of Facebook often expressed here suggest that the posters are, ironically, marching in lock-step with one another while shouting about how terrible it is when people do things because they want to belong?

Kinda reminds me of the kids who shop at Hot Topic, a mall retail chain that specializes in carefully focus-grouped goth decor and fake leather studded collars, in order to show how they really REALLY disagree with EVERYONE.

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Maybe some people prefer their social networks to come without an unhealthy slice of spying?

Maybe some people have had too many people give it the "zomg but you must has a facebonk" incredulous stare at them?

Maybe some people don't want to be one of Zuckerberg's suckers?

Maybe some people have had a bad experience with the Boss demanding to know their account name?

Maybe some people remember when online social networks were fully featured and decentralised? You know, like IRC? USENET? Actually making your own web site, that's owned by you?

Maybe some people have plenty of friends already and see no point in broadcasting the minutae of their life?

Maybe some people are genuinely creeped out by Zuckerberg, and detest the idea of giving that person any more than an emphatically raised middle finger?

Many reasons why some people would rather watch paint dry than sign up for a Facebook account. Does not make them a single homogenous entity, and your attempt to ridicule such people is... probably going to be like water off a duck's back. All been heard before, you know?

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I'm doing my part.

I'm promoting retroshare to everyone I know. I've gotten quite a few friends using it now. It's not a social network, though it can manage basic forums and messaging. It's more of an IM program. Decentralised. Encrypted. Authenticated via first exchanging keys with contacts. Probably not NSA-proof, but at least NSA-resistant enough to make cracking it take real effort, and plenty enough to stop intrusive advertising companies trying to intercept your messages and profile you.

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There is always a hive mind on big social websites.

Some people comment-whore for upvotes, it's a fact of life. That doesn't mean that the hivemind is always wrong.

As for me personally I tried real hard to get in to facebook, but quickly quit. I really had no interest at all in finding out what passing acquaintances had for dinner or feel any need to tell them about the movie I just saw.

To me, Facebook is good for one thing only: fake Facebook and Google accounts are great for online personas, as Facebook and Google are implicitly trusted all around the net.

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@M Gale, I didn't say there aren't valid reasons to dislike Facebook. You list quite a few of them. My point is that people dislike it *so violently*. It's a product; maybe it's intended for a different market - OK, fine. Maybe Facebook the business has unsavory practices - that's fine too, but hell, Royal Dutch Shell has done some pretty awful things and I don't see anyone tearing them up in air-bluing rants online.

It seems that the response is disproportionate, and often, it seems that such disproportionate responses to products (whether it's Facebook, iPhones, electric cars, whatever) are due to peoples' not wanting people to want those products in the first place, not with the products themselves. Which is what makes me think it's sometimes more about saying, "I'm better than all the idiots who want things that I don't want!" than about anything real.

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Error in your logic repaired, no thanks nec.

"it is terrible when people do things because they want to belong"

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Re: I'm doing my part.

"I'm promoting retroshare to everyone I know. I've gotten quite a few friends using it now."

I always tell people the same thing. These people are NOT your friends. Aquaintences, colleagues, asssociates, maybe.

If you have lots of friends on social networks, your credibilty and integrity is called into question, let alone your knowledge of what "friend" means.

Your self esteem must be very low if you feel the need to "friend" anyone online that you do not meeet on a face-to-face basis.

What is wrong with people. Seems our education system is a complete and utter fail!

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So The Zuck has a grand plan for humanity

And it all starts with letting the telcos do the heavy lifting, then letting the phone companies find a way to make free phones, and letting everybody else work to push costs down so he can make more billions selling ads.

Yup, sounds like exactly the kind of plan he would think of.

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Mouse in the hand

At the end of the day you will have only a mouse in your hand! The world is already pwned!

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Has anyone done a poll to show that only 1% of IT pros like FB?

Anyway, Internet has been free for a while, Ovivio will send you a SIM for phone or tablet at a token start cost, free ongoing so long as Ovivo can push it's ads at you periodically.

So Zuckerberg is very late to the party as far as the UK is concerned.

And in Africa, Google may get there first with its Loon Balloons.

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Is It A Basic Human Right

to have nothing whatsoever to do with Facebook?

I think so.

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I don't know about anyone else but I think these people might want access to safe drinking water, crops to feed themselves and maybe even a safe and stable country.

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