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Steve Wozniak isn't too impressed with the Steve Jobs biopic film Jobs - and said a lot of its problems came from Ashton Kutcher's portrayal of the Apple founder. The Woz jumped on the comments section of a Gizmodo review of the movie for his own impromptu critique, which wasn't all that complimentary. "I saw Jobs tonight. I …

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trade you a google for a apple

First we had the Facebook movie, now the Apple movie.

Trade me a Microsoft and a Google movie for a full set :P

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Re: trade you a google for a apple

It's "an^ apple"

And nah, before we have the microsoft and google movies, I want a linux movie. It'd have to be rated 18 to get past all of the swearing Linus gets through with his rants.

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Re: trade you a google for a apple

Wasn't Antitrust based on Microsoft (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0218817/) and I believe The Internship is Google's one (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2234155/) ...

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Re: trade you a google for a apple

>a linux movie. It'd have to be rated 18 to get past all of the swearing

To say nothing of the swearing that accompanies any necessary installation of linux during the film. And, of course, the movie would never actually end...

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Re: trade you a google for a apple

Yup, the Antitrust movie is basically the MS inspired one, they just added murder to the mix to make it more of a thriller. Ironically, it is Linux what we see throughout the movie!

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Re: trade you a google for a apple

How about an Amazon/Torvalds/HP/Netscape/Mozilla/EFF Movie?

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Re: trade you a google for a apple

>>I want a linux movie. It'd have to be rated 18 to get past all of the swearing Linus gets through with his rants

Does "Revolution OS" not count? Or would you consider that the GNU movie?

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WTF?

"...another upcoming Steve Jobs movie"

O gods, why?

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Re: "...another upcoming Steve Jobs movie"

Because it will sell.

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Re: "...another upcoming Steve Jobs movie"

Nah .. I'll wait for version 2.

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Re: "...another upcoming Steve Jobs movie"

Well its not version 2 but it does end with an "S".

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Re: "...another upcoming Steve Jobs movie"

This movie hasn't sold. Deadline's summary of the weekend US box office results was: "Oprah’s PR Blitz Helps ‘The Butler’ Open #1 With $25M: Soft Box Office As ‘Kick Ass 2′ Falls, ‘Jobs’ Biopic Dies, ‘Paranoia’ Bombs"

See the original — http://www.deadline.com/2013/08/did-oprah-affect-box-office-the-butler-tops-box-office-friday/ — for the full text, but highlights are:

Flopping in wide release (2,381 theaters) was ... Jobs [which] came in only #7 with a meager $6.7M despite a plethora of TV ad buys. ... Rotten Tomatoes critics only gave it 24% positive reviews because of its superficial made-for-TV depiction of a complex creative and business icon. Still it’s surprising how many Apple devotees stayed away despite the marketing’s psychographic targeting to them.

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Re: "...another upcoming Steve Jobs movie"

during the intermission there should be "iAds" telling you how to hold the popcorn tub right.

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Re: "...another upcoming Steve Jobs movie"

I will wait for number ten.

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Who cares.....really!!!!

Movie about a bloke who made computers and behaved not like a perfect human, really who cares.

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Re: Who cares.....really!!!!

"really who cares."

Americans*, just like the Americans that made the movie. Its aspirational. Its the American dream. Behave like an arse, develop an ego the size of a planet, make money at others expense.

*Some, not all.

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Re: Who cares.....really!!!!

As an American I can only wish the better movie had been made,

"The Wizard of WOZ" That is who really made Apple a success. Jobs mouth always overran his ability, Woz always found a way.

BTW I lived the era.

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Re: Who cares.....really!!!!

""The Wizard of WOZ" That is who really made Apple a success. Jobs mouth always overran his ability, Woz always found a way."

Woz's story I would pay to go and see. How he pretty well single handedly designed Apple 1, starting from a blank sheet and not a lot of precedence.

And his take on how Jobs dumped him.

I too lived through the Apple Ii era.

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Re: And his take on how Jobs dumped him.

That's one story I don't think any of us will ever read. We might read his wife's take on it. Or his kids's take. But on this side of The Great Divide I don't think we'll ever know what Woz thinks on this issue.

I don't know if it's class, loyalty or some combination thereof, but whatever Woz thinks about it, he's keeping it to himself. And I respect that decision, much as I'd like to know the juicy details. Sometimes other people being better does pull someone else up to a higher standard.

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Re: Who cares.....really!!!!

AMEN! I bought one of the original garage built Apple ]['s. What a DREAM MACHINE! It came with the original Red and Blue manuals that spelled out the inner workings and logic diagrams, plus all the source code. Woz invented Open Source long before the "movement" started. Then it took off. I seriously doubt the hand of Steve Wozniak in the closing down of the Apple][+ and the rest. They weren't open and quieted the whines of the software industry after users figured out how easily software written for one could be copied (pirated) on the original machines with the reset to mini-assembler. I know. I also doubt Wozniak favored the dropping of support for machines without some form of upgrade. I love The Woz, I just wish he had some "assertiveness training".

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I just ordered

Pirates of Sillicon valley.. I remember I pirated it (ha ha, get it?) when it first came out and watched it once on poor quality VCD (which I think I still have). I think it was the first introduction I got to how much of an asshole Jobs was. I don't remember much from the movie other than Gates "stealing" DOS and Jobs being an asshole, so am semi looking forward to seeing it again.

I watched an interview with someone who was apparently on the first Mac team from '80-87 last week and he commented on how he loved working for Jobs even though he knew at any minute he could be ripped apart by him in front of 100 other people. He said Jobs was always right and that made it OK he said he did the best work of his life there and would love to do it again if he had the chance. Myself I feel like I would be the exact polar opposite of that. With the caveat of never having worked with/for or even known someone who is "always right".

In checking up on the movie(Pirates) over the weekend I noticed(and vaguely remember now) that one of the Apple events had the actor that played jobs in the movie give some of the keynote, and joked around with the real Jobs on stage. I don't know how real the movie was vs the overall dislike of the Jobs movie, but it sounds like it was much better overall.

So, go see it if that sort of thing interests you.

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Re: I just ordered

Indeed Pirates of Silicon Valley was a great movie, I ordered a US Region 1 DVD a few years ago, the Apple keynote where it's star Noah Wyle, played Steve Jobs is on YouTube :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIClAanU7Os

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Re: I just ordered

Well, in matters of IT and such, I am always right!

Therefore people hate working for me because it always turns out bad for them when they choose to disagree with me and are later shown yet again to have made egregious errors and demonstrated their lack of skill, critical thinking, logic or whatever.

However, people love working with me, because, well, I am always right, so that always leads to bigger and better things for everyone.

YMMV and anon for obvious reasons.

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Ashton Kutcher?

No thanks.

Why was he chosen? Simply because he looks like Jobs at a young age, I cannot fathom any other reason.

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Re: Ashton Kutcher?

Why was he chosen? Because he's a complete Ku'tcher. Frankly who on earth expects to go to a movie these days and see anything remotely connected with "accuracy" or "truth"?

"Jobs" has truthiness and these days that's enough.

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Re: Ashton Kutcher?

If I see his name in the credits, I avoid the movie.

There is another so called comedy actor that I avoid as well.

They play their characters just like John Wayne. He always played himself but in a different class than Mr Kutcher.

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Re: Ashton Kutcher?

The only thing of interest I've seen from him was "Beauty and the Geek," first season.

I think it speaks volumes that he was unable to make an even marginally successful sequel to it.

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He's not alone

Virtually every movie reviewer has panned Kutcher and the movie as being trash. I never thought Kutcher was a particularly good actor nor person.

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Anpther Steve Jobs Movie?

Why?

The majority just don't give a shit!

He was just an angry little man made big by the folly of others, and the genius of Apple marketers to (easily) manipulate their customer base! (Make it "cool" and all the plebs want one)

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Re: Anpther Steve Jobs Movie?

Then why can't they do the same thing with Tim Cook ?

PS : I have never owned an Apple product so no Fanboism coming from my part. I recognize Steve Jobs as an excellent engineer the marketing genius though.

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Re: Anpther Steve Jobs Movie?

You don't really get it do you?

Microsoft was lucky, they bluffed IBM by saying they had an OS for their new machine (they didn't).

Apple on the other hand had to earn their keep, they didn't have a monopoly to support them.

Jobs left Apple, Apple started to falter. NeXT was created by Jobs after being ousted from Apple. WWW was written on a NeXT machine.

Jobs rejoined Apple and the company's fortunes were lifted.

I'd say Jobs is more worthy of a film than Microsoft is. Both Jobs and his products have been a lot more influential and risky compared to Microsoft who just generally carried on making stuffy office software.

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Re: Anpther Steve Jobs Movie?

" the genius of Apple marketers to (easily) manipulate their customer base! (Make it "cool" and all the plebs want one)"

What influence did Apple marketing department have on the billions he made from his mega success called Pixar? Inquiring minds want to know

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Re: Anpther Steve Jobs Movie?

" Both Jobs and his products have been a lot more influential and risky compared to Microsoft who just generally carried on making stuffy office software."

Apart from the bit where Microsoft put out WIndows 95 and managed to get everyone + dog to buy a PC of course, something Apple had singularly failed to do with years and years head start.

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Re: Another Steve Jobs Movie?

From what I understand, Pixar was successful because he knew he knew nothing about the movie industry and was generally willing to listen to advice and usually take a back seat.

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Re: Anpther Steve Jobs Movie?

There was a link to Youtube among posts here earlier but that lead to another link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nMD6sjAe8I

Even if I would not, by any means, consider my self an Apple ifan, probably much due to the ilitigation and the iexplanation they went into. But somehow that interview warms my heart. Apple II was my first personal computer, not my first computer professionally, but the first to take home. Visicalc was the first software that really impressed me. "Bread and butter" -software is just that. Warms my heart to hear him speak about it.

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If they do

"From what I understand, Pixar was successful because he knew he knew nothing about the movie industry and was generally willing to listen to advice and usually take a back seat."

That in itself is a useful skill, especially in a man who was generally accepted as being a giant egomaniac.

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Re: Anpther Steve Jobs Movie?

"Apart from the bit where Microsoft put out WIndows 95 and managed to get everyone + dog to buy a PC of course, something Apple had singularly failed to do with years and years head start."

Gary Arlen Kildall (May 19, 1942 – July 11, 1994)

Note the significance of the year that Microsoft's biggest competitor, critic and threat died. That's Luck, That is.

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"I'm grateful to Steve for his excellence in the i-era, and his contribution to my own life of enjoying great products, but this movie portrays him having had those skills in earlier times,"

Maybe that statement says more about why the movie wasn't liked by Woz?

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Even if Job's had written and appeared in it himself, it would still be full of much fiction. Anything some one point of view, or even a few points of view is still far from the actual.

It's a documovie, nothing more.

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If Jobs had written it and appeared in it it would be like... whoa, dead guy.

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From out of that room came the future.

"Nobody really knows what happened in the rooms."

Throughout APple history, small snippets from that room have been used to shape the fanboy herd.

And boy, does it work.

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Re: From out of that room came the future.

"Nobody really knows what happened in the rooms."

Apple Reservoir Dogs?

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Re: From out of that room came the future.

"Apple Reservoir Dogs?"

Nice.

Sadly, I think I know which one is Mr Blonde.

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Re: From out of that room came the future.

Nice Guy Wozzie sure should fit in.

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I prefer "Micro Men" to all this twoddle

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Spoiler Alert!

He dies in the end.

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"I'm grateful to Steve for his excellence in the i-era, and his contribution to my own life of enjoying great products, but this movie portrays him having had those skills in earlier times,"

I believe this is the result of some perfectly understandable confusion, Kutcher was clearly portraying this year's JobS.

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There's only one proper response for this:

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Quoting Kutcher:

"He was also extremely unavailable to us when producing this film"

Not just unavailable, but extremely unavailable.

So instead of being in a meeting and unable to talk to you today, he was in a meeting in a hut somewhere in Antarctica, with no means of communicating with anyone who wasn't present.

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