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Sexting has become even more inadvisable following the launch of an app which can surreptitiously store images sent using the self-destructing photo service Snapchat. Anyone looking to broadcast pictures of their naughty bits was given a boost when Snapchat first launched, because it purported to destroy images a few moments …

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Call me a prude by all means

but if you post cock and fanny pictures of yourself, then gripe when they are available for all and sundry to see, you have no-one to blame but yourself.

One minutes fun can turn into years of regret......

If you don't have the common sense or maturity to deal with issues like this, don't take the pics in the bloody first place.

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Re: Call me a prude by all means

Yes agreed, but peer pressure and teen hormones don't exactly help with rational decisions. From an adult point of view, yes if you do it them there is no one to blame but yourself. However, children even if they are in their teens are impressionable and sometimes very stupid.

The fact that there is such an app will go round like wildfire and hopefully the learning curve will not be steep. Just because the app exists may mean those that might be stupid enough to do it might pause and think again.

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Re: might pause and think again.

> Just because the app exists may mean those that might be stupid enough to do it might pause and think again.

Of course not. Teens (and older) were "sexting" well before Snapchat existed (well before the word "sexting" was ever invented by the media, in fact). Snapchat may or may not have made things worst recently (my money is on "didn't change a thing except for the wallet of its operator"). Snapsave won't make a difference either.

Actually I'm pretty convinced that all these apps come and go without changing one bit either the number of nude selfies sent OR the number of them "leaked". There's always ways to save these and post them on 4Chan, and always will.

Ultimately, leaked selfies have very little impact (unless part of something bigger such as systematic bullying - or the authorities meddling in very creatively moronic ways, such as registering every recipient and the sender as a sex offender). I would say it carries about the same "life-ruining" potential as "that day Millie wet her pants in PhysEd". But I may be wrong: it has to do with (mildly) naughty bits, so it's probably straight to hell or something.

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Re: might pause and think again.

It's quite sad how responsibility for (and consequences of) your own actions seems to be an alien concept in modern times...

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Re: Call me a prude by all means

If you're posting cock AND fanny* pics of yourself for free, you're missing an opportunity to make cash from a niche market.

* This is a UK site using UK definitions

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Re: Call me a prude by all means

However, children even especially if they are in their teens are impressionable and sometimes very stupid.

There, fixed that for you.

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Whatever.

I can save any TCP/IP traffic.

So can anyone else.

Why the masses think these thingies are "private" is beyond me ...

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Re: Whatever.

Does that include on your Nokia 1610, jake? Oh, wait ...

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Re: Whatever.

Depends on how it's routing and whether he's running a packet sniffer hooked up to the right antenna, really...

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Re: Whatever.

Just put a boundary network device with a sniffer, something like a Linux firewall. Allows you to record all IP traffic flowing through it using something like tcpdump. Doesn't need any antenna.

I kept reminding my kids that I could, if I wanted, see the URL of all web pages they visited and a lot of their other traffic over the household LAN (can't do much about 3G, but that's another story). Made them much more 'net aware. I know that they could obscure the data using encryption or a VPN, but this would actually achieve part of what I want them to do, and that is to understand what it is to be on-line safely.

For the record, although a lot of the URL and connection data the data is kept on the Firewall for months, I've never felt it necessary to snoop on them (although I have used the data to prove I could, and also to resolve bandwidth contention between them). It's amazing what being open about what you could do can achieve, without actually doing it.

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Re: Whatever.

BUT ZUCKERBERG switched everything to HTTPS he was gonna PROTECT us...

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Re: Whatever.

quote: "(can't do much about 3G, but that's another story)"

Setup a femtocell for the relevant network(s) in the house routed through your firewall; I suspect that you'd need further messing around in order to make sense of the data (if it is not encrypted it bloody should be), but it would technically be capturing UMTS traffic from devices and routing it through your gateway ready for logging and analysis.

Whether you can actually be bothered is of course a whole different story, and of course it's only governments and TLAs that believe they have the right to do that to citizens with impunity. YMMV ;)

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Re: Whatever.

Who is this Butt Zuckerberg you speak of?

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Ill?

"Snap save is going to ruin a lot of girls lives"

...because "a lot of girls" have some mental problem that forces them to send pics of their tits to all their friends??

I'm just trying to understand, but I'm struggling.

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Holmes

Did people really expect Snapchat to work like that for very long? There is no way that transmitted bits/bytes cannot be intercepted and saved.

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gives a whole new meaning...

to a network Packet Sniffer :o

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the words "Rats", "Arse", "Coundn't" and "Give" will appear shortly in a comment.

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Even before snapsave none technical people could simply just take a photo of whatever was on their phone with a digital camera if they wanted to save an image sent to them.

The safest way is just don't send photos in the first place if you don't want to risk people saving them

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Those selfies want to be free

When people approach mobile computing as though it's Consumer Electronics (which it never really is, in the right hands), it's no wonder that they're naive to the claims of Snapchat and the like. Eventually, they will learn that data is only likely to respect their wishes with regards to privacy in a very limited, legally-defined set of circumstances.

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Apps that save SnapChat images have been out almost as long as SnapChat has... on Android. Why the "sudden" mention of this now its on the worlds second most popular phone?

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I will oblige a former commentard - I couldn't give a rats arse. If people trust the people who make snapchat to do it properly with encryption or god forbid actually deleting images when they actually have been viewed, they should trust them when it goes wrong.

Sheep 1, meet sheep 2. Idiots.

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It's simple: if you don't want it on the internet then don't let other people get access to it. If you don't send a picture or email then people can't forward it. It all comes down to "think before you send", and if necessary hit the 'delete' button instead.

On the other side of the coin, if we get a generation where everyone has naked pictures of themselves floating around the internet then perhaps we won't get quite so hung up about nudity and it'll lose the power to embarrass people simply because everyone does it.

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"if we get a generation where everyone has naked pictures of themselves floating around the internet then perhaps we won't get quite so hung up about nudity"

except that quite a lot of that generation are under 16 when they take those pictures, which potentially makes the 'producers and distributors' and anyone 'in possession' of them guilty of very serious offences...

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Diddums

Seems like a lots of commentators have sour grapes over nobody willing to send them suggestive pictures.

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No, but some of us have daughters infected with the idiotic "selfies" disease. And maybe we give a shit enough to prevent them from doing something they will regret for a very long time.

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... raising the possibility that an impetuously-sent sext could be stored, distributed and then hang around on the internet forever.

Buried somwhere in amongst the vast swathes of porn which fill the internet.

Snap save is going to ruin a lot of girls lives

— Mary ✌✌✨ (@MarySchlabach) August 9, 2013

Which of course will be completely someone elses fault, and nothing whatsoever to do with them taking and sending the bloody pictures in the first place.

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More feminist bias

Why is it going to ruin girls' lives and not boys' huh? You don't think the world knowing I had a peanut dick isn't going to harm my reputation as a stud muffin?

Or do you mean my Ferrari and my Rolex and my 12 acre homestead and my chain of gymnasiums are already giving it away so the photo will do nothing?

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Re: More feminist bias

Oops I double negatived and changed tense. Never mind Here's a picture of my willy to distract you. After all, it's far more important that you know what my bits look like rather than what I do or act like in life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mr_peanut.png

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I feel...

There's room for an obligatory "pics or it didn't happen."

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Old, sage advice

Don't put anything on the Internet you wouldn't put on the back (or front) of a postcard.

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Re: Old, sage advice

Don't put anything on the Internet that you wouldn't like domestic and foreign intelligence services collecting, sending to the special operations department of any other agency or company that they like and then deliberately conflating into some supposed crime or media sanctioned taboo in order to repress you societally.

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what ever happened ...

Damn modern technology, what ever happened to good old fashioned flashing?

I’ll get my (trench) coat…

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Re: Snap save is going to ruin a lot of girls lives

Rhianna is a hugely successful entertainer. So I suspect she probably isn't dumb..

As for calling her - or indeed anyone else - a slut, I'd prefer you to keep that attitude to yourself. It's opinions like those that make the world a poorer place.

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Re: "entertainer" ... "dumb"

You think that being successful in entertaining people precludes the individual from being dumb?

God, there are many people who are successful or famous entirely because they demonstrate severely reduced cogitative abilities.

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Re: Snap save is going to ruin a lot of girls lives

> No, being a dumb slut that sent someone a naked picure is going to ruin your life.

Your word selection aside, if a naked picture is going to ruin your life, then either

a) there's a serious problem of overprudishness rot in your education or

b) see a)

Unless some dimwitted official figure decides to deliberately ruin your life by putting you on the sex offender registry for that selfie, of course.

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I thought all these years on the internet had made me cynical, but clearly I'm still innocent at heart: not until now have I understood why people at all use SnapChat.

Is it the same with Instagram? Twitter? That would make their unexplicable popularity suddenly a lot more explicable.

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Meh

You seen one fanny, you seen 'em all

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Re: Meh

Yet somehow I feel compulsed to see them all. Boobs have a similar distracting effect.

I must be the only one.

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Re: Meh

To quote my old French teacher, upon pausing a video, and inadvertantly giving the class a wobbly view of one, out of focus, mammary: "Eh, once you've seen one, you've seen them both."

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Trust

The person you sent this Snap to has saved a screenshot'

- I know you saved a copy of that picture. The app told me you did. Delete it right now.

: OK. I deleted it....

There's always going to be a trust loop that can easily be broken if you're sending pics of your bits around. If you don't trust that person enough to let them determine what happens with those pics don't send them.

Peer pressure is something you're going to have to learn to deal with, might as well start dealing with it now.

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I make sure that my daughters don't take any tasteless pictures on their phones and send them to their schoolmates; we use the studio in the basement instead.

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Why have an app

Take a screenshot, it's hardly rocket science.

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Re: Why have an app

Clearly someone didn't RTFA

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ios 7 will not notify if there has been a screenshot. So that feature of snapchat is done.

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NY

Young ladies should be warnedd that such activity may bring them into contact with highly unsavoury characters. Such as candidates for public office...............

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Just assume that anyone and everyone can see and save everything at all times and you'll be just fine.

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