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Prime Minister David Cameron has told Brits to "boycott" websites that allow trolls and bullies to publish reams of nasty abuse and threats with wild abandon. His comments came after the father of 14-year-old Hannah Smith claimed his daughter, who had been bullied on Lativan-based ask.fm, had killed herself to escape the online …

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Just Say No...

and stop using Twatter & FacePalm and such sites. There is a life outside them you know.

Ok, I'm gone( out for a walk, I might be sometime)

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Re: Just Say No...

Going outside really isn't safe. You could be kidnapped, raped, photographed, killed, catch cancer from second hand smoke, killed by a terrorist or speeding motorist, irradiated by WiFi or be decapitated by a wind turbine. Best to stay indoors and take your vitamins.

I say it in jest, but far too many people are scared of absolutely everything and it is bad for society and the offspring of those that live in fear. It is the mindset that allows government to walk all over the people.

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Re: Just Say No...

but the life outside is far easier to organise if you use facebook and twitter.

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Re: Just Say No...

I read his comments as 'Stop reading the Daily Mail site'. Because - let's face it - if you want hatred, bigotry, loathing and discrimination, then there's no better place to start.

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but, but , (as the saying goes) most accidents happen at home

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The populous will seek out freedom wherever it can

Trying to nanny the state rather than educate means they'll not know what to do when they find [some of] it

Also, 'trolling' is not online bullying, that's bullying whatever the medium

'Trolling' is all abou

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All abou? What's the matter too stupid to finish a sentence? trololol!

Trolling is about getting a reaction from somebody, like saying Dane Cooks sucks on a Dane cook video. Or going to an xbox fansite and telling them why the PS4 is superior to the XBotch en every way. Both of which are true statements by the way but they're put in a location in order to get a reaction out of people.

So far as the bullying thing is concerned, I do feel for the parents, and for the young girl but, cameron said it himself.

"The 'off' button is a great regulator,"

Nobody forces you to use twitter or facebook, if bullying starts, you can just close your account and walk away. It isn't like bullying irl where they can follow you around and taunt / bully you. I do however agree 100% that there should be better and more effective ways of reporting trolls and internet bullies.

I also kind of wish there were a better way of regulating the age of users. There are rules of "you must be 13 to sign up" or "you must be 18 to visit this website" however it's easy to tick a box and click "yes I'm 18" I mean what are they going to do, ask for ID?

Maybe instead of a crusade to ban porn (like that'll work) or boycott social media (like that'll work) maybe cameron should spearhead something that makes sense, like an online proof of age system. You need ID for everything else, why not that? When kids hit 13 at school, have them fill out a form and send it off for processing, much like the national proof of age card thing. They then get posted an ID card with a QR code, and a manual number they can type in.

Then rather than "tick I am 13 or over" they can scan the code, or type in the number which would confirm a few basic details on the account are true.

Will it work? It'll work better than the idea of blocking everythinig for everyone.

Will it be expensive? Probably cheaper than the current proof of age card system, heck they could link the two and charge a few quid to get one of the cards

Will it lower costs elsewhere? Well, you need ID to sign up for a site, so it'd have a record of who you are... So yeah it would cut costs. Rather than a length process of find IP, trace, blah blah blah, Find ID of user. Oh that's billy from manchester. BAM!

And yes there are a heck of a lot of flaws and 'i don't like it's' in this post. Even I can see them, but it's still a better idea than blocking everything and telling people what not to watch.

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Very true, about the trolling, el'reg is rife with it but I don't think it often descends into bullying. Occasionally insulting and often volatile.

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Hmmm

Populous - adjective - having a large population; densely populated.

Populace - noun - the people living in a particular country or area.

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"you can just close your account and walk away"

Not when you're a younger teenager and the entire social life of all your friends is arranged and conducted on a particular social media site. It's not as if there are many youth clubs and you can't go to the pubs and clubs yet. You'd totally isolate yourself from all your peers which appears at least as bad to many. This is exactly why it's such a powerful tool for bullying. That and the fact that it's always there, on your phone or laptop at home. The "just walk away from bullies" advice went out in the 80s as it doesn't work and often makes things worse.

Then, even if you do stop using a site where you're being bullied, everyone at school still uses it and the bullies, or possibly even well intentioned friends, will tell you about what's being said about you on the Internet.

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''All abou? What's the matter too stupid to finish a sentence? trololol!''

Too stupid to realise you just got trolled ?

zaaactly

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Trolling is about getting a reaction from somebody,

Yes, all 50+ lines of a reaction...

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Why can't you walk away@

If you are only connected to your friends and they are posting horrible things or bullying you then they are not friends and you need to walk away.

If they are strangers then a)more fool you for letting them have access to your account, posts or page. But you can shut down the account and create a new one (to which you don't give access) and then let your friends know about your new account.

Pretty straightforward if you ask me.

As for sites like Ask.FM as everyone seems to work on an anonymous basis only it seems to me that cancelling and setting up a new account would be even easier.

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They may agree

"Or going to an xbox fansite and telling them why the PS4 is superior to the XBotch en every way."

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Re: They may agree

Not too clear - quote from above, but I have heard of a lot of Xbox fans are not a fan of the XB1, and are considering the PS4,

Hence that troll may fail!

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WTF?

Jesus just make a new account then. You can have unlimited accounts - the beauty and the problem with the internet is that you can exist in more than one account, and not all of those accounts have to be truthful and honest.

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very true.

And to save money, they'd only have to print a handful of cards and just let the Internet take care of the rest.

Boy, you're naive.

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missed a spot

I think you meant 'not all of those accounts should be truthful and honest'

Of course, how to teach children personal responsibility while using a pseudonym is a rather tricky question.

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"Not when you're a younger teenager and the entire social life of all your friends is arranged and conducted on a particular social media site."

Oh! Well then, your trapped and you can't escape!

What a ridiculous statement of fiction! Of course you have choices, you choose not to accept the most logical course of action. If you advocate this whole fallacy of your entire life being online, that can ony be described as tragic! Ultimately YOU are to blame for any ill.

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Your father was a hamster and your mother smelt of elderberries!

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@Obviously - just because your culture isn't the same as 14 year olds, doesn't mean that theirs is trajic or it's fictional that they have different problems to us.

I'm making a wild stab in the dark here and going to suggest that it's quite a long time since you were 14 and that things have changed more than you can imagine since then. I'm not going to tell you to get with the times, but you should at least allow others to grow up using the tools around them. It was a BBC Mirco for me, once or twice I actually used a bulletin board on a friends machine, I can't imagine how I would have reacted to the Internet.

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"step up to the plate"?

What a cock. Next he'll be 'doing fantastic'.

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Getting too much grief on a website filled by anonymous idiots?

Why not delete your account. They can't reach you anonymously. They have to do it in person.

Perhaps children need better education in social media and how to deal with problems.

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Sorry Dave but it's not always nice out there

This is part of it, the internet is an adult playground and as such you need to have had that bit of life experience to know how to deal with fecking idiots just like you do in real life. Sadly your average kid up to about 15 doesn't have enough life experience to know to fully handle some situations, they get thrown to the wolves online and torn to pieces. Most of us can take it or leave it, it's not the be all end all. I've been in stupid online arguments and you either fight back with stupid comments or just say "Oh bollocks to you!" and walk away.

It's pretty sickening when a bunch of scumbags think it's funny when a kid of 14 has taken their own life but some parts of the internet are not very nice. Much like life it's all about spotting the signs of when you're in a dodgy area and either moving through quickly without attracting attention or turning around and heading back out the way you came.

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The path to a fractured web

I am increasingly confident that the days of a universal unified anonymous internet are numbered.

It will always exist, no doubt, but increasingly a walled-garden de-anonymised overnet where most people will spend most of their time. Identities will be assured ( although doubtless there will be sneaky troll incursions ) and for most purposes this will be the internet that people use. I suspect becoming the starting point for this is already on Facebook's business plan.

The anonymous part will become a sleazy subnet for trolls, criminals and libertarians, increasingly sidelined and ignored by most users ( except when they are searching for something a bit from the dark side ) but available to those who want it.

Of course, this won't help teenagers because what is more appealing to a teenager than the idea of a sleazy subnet full of trolls, criminals and libertarians?

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"Perhaps children need better education in social media and how to deal with problems."

Perhaps parents should teach children that life ISN'T ONLINE! More respect given to those without a social media presense.

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Re: Sorry Dave but it's not always nice out there

"Sadly your average kid up to about 15 doesn't have enough life experience to know to fully handle some situations, they get thrown to the wolves online and torn to pieces."

Parental repsonsibility till 16! So why do the majority, it seems, of parents decide not to take responsibility when it comes to net access?

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Well I except the people doing it were probably her class mates and it was probably just an extension of classroom bullying.

I remember a number of cases in Japan but most bullying situations are the same, everyone bullys the kid till they kill themselves and then everyone is like "oh nobody bullied them" or "I'm so surprised" or "I tried to help blah blah blah" and then the teachers are all "there was no bullying in school..."

I don't really buy it.

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expect even...

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"Perhaps parents should teach children that life ISN'T ONLINE! More respect given to those without a social media presense."

Isn't that akin to saying "In my day, music had proper lyrics."?

Many things are moving towards social media. Breaking news on Twitter, job searching on LinkedIn.

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"Sadly your average kid up to about 15 doesn't have enough life experience to know to fully handle some situations"

You teach kids not to walk up dark alleyways in the scary part of town.

You teach them not to talk to strangers.

Why not teach them what to do if someone is, say, making unreasonable comments anonymously?

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Bit rich coming from a politician - they basically troll the heck out of each other in parliament day in day out (apart from all those days off they have of course!)

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I propose we cut taxes

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Fairly true...

...but you're overlooking that fact that Cameron is an utter twat - as are virtually all of his workmates - on both sides of the House.

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Twat

This comes from a tosser in Government who are bullying the sick, disabled, poor, unemployed and anyone who is not rich, double standards form a unelected twat

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Re: Twat

You don't elect the Prime Minister. You elect your local parliamentary representative.

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Re: Twat

Technically you are of course correct.

However, in the real world a lot of people vote for the local candidate that represents the party leader that they like the most.

In that sense, the PM *is* elected.

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Which of course is why most people are completely disconnected from politics voting for red blue or orange depending on what leader you like the look of or which tribe you belong to instead of voting for the local person you believe has the most sensible policies in your opinion for your local area and world view. So many people just vote for someone that's been drop shipped into a safe seat instead of actually engaging and ensuring they are the right person to represent their community and interests.

It's also why many politicians themselves are often so disconnected and non-representative of their local constituency. Of course it's a view that is perpetuated by both the media and parties themselves, but whatever.

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Prime Minister makes a noise. Nothing happens. Claims credit.

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next

the next sites to be added to the big brother porn filters

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Yep. Last week it was porn now it's "stop access to certain sites such as those involved in self harm or pornography."

#missioncreep

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"Yep. Last week it was porn now it's "stop access to certain sites such as those involved in self harm or pornography.""

Have you seen the list. It starts with adult and goes on and on. Stuff like.

Terrorisrm

Anorexia

Esoteria (WTF is that category even about? Magic?)

The old TOTC was (as usual) just a Trojan horse for the rest of this bo**cks*

Actually reading between the line I suspect Clare Perry had someone look at her kids browsing habits and this is the list of site she doesn't want them to see.

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Cameron you twat

Firstly, it's not trolling - it's harassment

Secondly, if it's already illegal, track down and arrest the perps, rather than expecting the carrier to do so. If someone sends an abusive letter, you don't expect the Royal Mail to open everyone's mail to check and make sure it's okay, you find the person who sent the letter and send the boys in blue round to have a little chat.

In other words, stop trying to get other people to do the job of the police for you because you cut their funding, you revolting little weasel.

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Re: Cameron you twat

I demand that El Reg do something about the heartless online bullying of the Prime Minister in the post above!

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Re: Cameron you twat

On second thoughts, let it stand: Cameron might kill himself...

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"I demand that El Reg do something about the heartless online bullying of the Prime Minister in the post above!"

You're right. I should "step up to the plate" - it is lunchtime after all, and I fancy a pie and a pint.

C.

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Re: Cameron you twat

Completely - abuse, in any medium, is already an offence. However it's good to be "seen to do something" even though all that needed to be done was implementing existing laws as neatly summarised here.

It's not just the cuts in police funding that's the problem, as far as I can see, the police force is becoming more of a political battlefield than doing what it's meant to do... and that's aside from the toll that the "war on terror" scaremongering is having on the police's time to do anything useful. Another problem is that from speaking to friends that are in the police force, they claim to spend more time filling paperwork and trying to hit targets than what they consider real work, and they're frustrated by it. When targets are set, they are human like the rest of us and will take the easy route to hitting their targets, e.g. soft / easy / cheap issues are dealt with to make up the numbers and the others are reclassified or otherwise brushed aside somehow.

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Re: Cameron you twat

Good question about the plate...where is this plate that Camaron wants people to go to?

Can anybody get a free lunch there? More info please.

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Re: Cameron you twat

I don't meant to burst your bubble or anything, but there is no such thing as a free lunch.

Unless you are called Ford Prefect.

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Don't like being bullied on the internet?

Don't go on the internet.

Thanks, Dave! Hold on - isn't this exactly the opposite of the message that Stella Creasy et al. have been trying to get across?

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