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A 21-year-old man was arrested on Sunday after a feminist campaigner was repeatedly sent abusive messages - including rape threats - on Twitter. Scotland Yard said in a statement to The Register that the suspect was cuffed in Manchester over claims of harassment. The Met added: The arrest is in connection with an allegation of …

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Well, if this is specifically about the rape threat....

A rape threat is a rape threat, regardless of the medium. If they've tracked the Twitter account back to the right person of interest, he will likely do some well deserved time.

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AC, I couldn't agree more.

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Absolutely agree, it sounds as if this was a credible, repeated, and particulalrly nasty threat made by a thoroughly unpleasant individual. The medium is irrelevant, other than forming the means by which the perpetrator is identified.

Compare and contrast with the ridiculous case some time ago where a totally non-credible and clearly jokey 'threat' was made on Twitter about Robin Hood airport, where the prosecutors jumped in with both jack-boots, and cries of 'terrorist' without thinking.

The sort of unpleasantness exemplified here illustrates the real perils to our society come not from oveblown terrorist threats, but from the much less publicised sociopathy that we seem to allow to go unpunished. I'm glad to see that this is not the case here. Lets hope that the individual involved gets more than a slap on the wrist.

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Re: Well, if this is specifically about the rape threat....

Unless it would seem it is a threat against someone the public doesn't like, in which case a rape and murder threat are A OK

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Source?

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Did The Register see any rape threats or are they just joining the throng and reporting it as fact? Criado-Perez herself tweeted these links as evidence of the abuse she received, but there is only 1 which could be considered a rape threat (and it's not credible unless you believe the people behind the tweet would rape all the police).

http://iwillnotputupwiththis.blogspot.mx/2013/07/more-misogyny-now-with-side-order-of.html

http://iwillnotputupwiththis.blogspot.mx/2013/07/and-they-just-keep-getting-braver.html

Here's the first in the series on that blog, which wasn't on the same tweet:

http://iwillnotputupwiththis.blogspot.mx/2013/07/twitter-land-of-brave.html

Using the word "rape" does not constitute a threat. But in some people's little minds a poor-taste joke about women belonging in the kitchen is a rape threat. Note that Criado-Perez retweeted the tweet which asked for the alleged "rape threat" to be pointed out, so she must have known people wanted to see the evidence. Why not point out actual rape threats?

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-W7N1nuQAmkQ/UfLmLAzWj4I/AAAAAAAAAEM/qM4-wGi5xP0/s640/blogger-image--1251756416.jpg

I also saw a tweet which stated someone posted "what they thought was CP's address". Not that it would take long to know the minds of the people trolling her, but can anyone really be sure what that tweeter was thinking? And is being tweeted something which is not your address really such a threat?

As you might deduce, I spent a while on the case. I wanted to see if it was real or just the feminists' time-honored tactic of demanding victim status and claiming to be made uncomfortable. I didn't see any credible rape threats and only the 1 tenuous rape threat in total. If anyone can provide compelling evidence please do.

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Re: Well, if this is specifically about the rape threat....

Compare and contrast with the ridiculous case some time ago where a totally non-credible and clearly jokey 'threat' was made on Twitter about Robin Hood airport, where the prosecutors jumped in with both jack-boots, and cries of 'terrorist' without thinking.

Or the more recent case of Justin Carter. Now even making sarcastic jokes flagged as being jokes can land you in jail. Incredibly stupid.

At least this case does seem to be based on actual threats, not only stupid people jumping the gun...

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Re: Well, if this is specifically about the rape threat....

So that one person who downvoted thinks it's perfectly acceptable to make threats of rape or death whether on the street on social media? wonder if they'd feel the same if one of their relatives (male or female) suffered the same torrent of abuse.

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Idiots breaks the law, idiot gets arrested.

So tell me why we need law changes?

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Absolutely right - we do not need new restrictions on our freedom in order to control abuses on the internet and we shouldn't tolerate any such impositions.

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Who is asking for a law change or is that your default response to everything? No-one is asking for a law change, just to make it easier to report abuse when you are being deluged by people (men in this case) who don't like you voicing an opinion. The Police have been informed and they are following up inquiries....no law change requested. See?

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As a bloke I signed the petition to get a woman on a banknote, the campaign was not just to make a point about the notes but to bring to attention the fact that women have contributed so much to our advancement as society yet their achievements are still not fully recognised by some brain-dead trogs who still seem to think that women should be seen and not heard. The irony of this situation is that the primary campaigner, remember that this is in the 21st Century, is being targeted in much the same way as the women she's standing up for were many years ago.

Most of us, both men and women, have grown up and see we both have equal parts to play in making society better, once again it's pathetic minority of bread-dead cretins that get all the attention for all the wrong reasons.

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I'm all for getting rid of the varied images on the back of banknotes. All it does is encourage people to run campaigns to have someone from group X or group Y on it. Today it's women, tomorrow it'll be a black person or a homosexual or a XYZ. All it does is cause division all the time. No matter what you do, there'll always be some group or another that feels it hasn't been equally represented. We don't have images of notable people on the backs of coins, so why do so on notes?

This isn't to say I denigrate the impact women have made on society and the leaps they have caused/supported. It's just I'm fed up with all these pressure groups all the time.

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Not a bad idea actually, pre euro we had notable dutchman residing on our notes, the euro has structures on it(bridges, something else etc). Not very recognizable except some sort of span bridge and a roman double layered viaduct.

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So you are saying you would have a problem with banknotes having images of black people or homosexuals on them? Personally I have no problem with images of people on bank notes - if the person has made a contribution to the history of this country, I see no problem with them on the back of a bank note.

The real problem is that until relatively recently, pretty much everything in this country was run by upper-class white males (some woud argue that it still pretty much is), which means that when you make a list of famous people from this country, that one particular socio-economic group is over-represented.

I think it's only reasonable to put more women on bank-notes, as there are a fair number of women who have made a valuable contribution to this Country.

Alan Turing would too have been a good choice, not because he was homosexual, which should be considered an irrelvance in such things, but because of the contribution he has made to computing.

I think it is wrong to suggest that ampaigning for such people to be on the notes causes division, except amongst those who are already prejudiced. In a way, it helps society by allowing us to see who the arseholes are.

At the end of the day, it can be summed up as two questions; should we have people on our banknotes, and personally I think we should; and who should they be, and I think they should be anyone who has made a positive contribution, regardless of colour, creed or gender.

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>>As a bloke I signed the petition to get a woman on a banknote

From '75-'92 we had Florence Nightingale on the tenner. Totally agree we should represent all contributors to Britain, not just ones with lumpy bits in the groin as opposed to chest.

As for ' tomorrow it'll be a black person or a homosexual or a XYZ' - I'd quite like to see Alan Turing, but not for being homosexual, but for his work.

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Re: >>As a bloke I signed the petition to get a woman on a banknote

Ok with Florence Nightingale, but out of curiosity, was Mary Seacole ever considered ?

If you need to click this link, you've kind of proved my point.

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I seem to remember that Florence Nightingale was on a bank note. Last time a checked, she was a woman.

I don't think any gender should get preference. Any one should be considered on merit. This Man v Woman shit is getting out of hand. Blame 'Girl power' and stupid TV like the apprentice who always pit male against female.

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@Mad Mike - If a particular group isn't well represented in society, I have absolutely no problem with a petition being brought to the powers that be, in order that they are represented in credible manners. Why would I not?

I look forward to seeing Alan Turin or Mary Seacole on a bank note.

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No problem with a woman being on a note

But do a quick straw poll of every man you know and ask them to name a Jane Austen novel.

Now, do a quick poll and ask them to name a Mary Shelley novel.

Repeat with women, I guarantee you all the women could name one in each, the blokes fumbled for Austen but all named Shelley, so why have we got Austen? Okay, admittedly it's personal taste, very few men have probably read either Shelley or Austen but at least they know who the blazes Shelley is (that's Mrs Shelley, not Mr, in fact I don't think I can name anything he wrote either, his mate Keats however, I can).

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I'd be very happy with alan turing being on the bank notes, he made a great contribution, I always found the focus on his sexuality an indication of bad education in society.

I think a change-up of who is on the notes every 10 years or so is a good idea.

Whether they are women/man heterosexual/homosexual black/white/yellow/green as long as they were British and have contributed to society in some way.

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... or other strange and unrepresentative types...?

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@loyal commander

"So you are saying you would have a problem with banknotes having images of black people or homosexuals on them?"

Dont think he said that at all.. how did you get that from his post?

Anyway, deciding to have no images of people on the notes so that there are no divisions of opinion just means you are giving in to negatives. Not a solution.

Plus it will only create a division of its own.. those who want images and those who dont. Then those who do will only want X images, not Y. So back to square 1

Solution? Just do it and let the idiots get over themselves.

Crap. I just realised there's a dictator in me trying to get out !!!

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You probably need to work on your reading comprehension skills...

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Re: No problem with a woman being on a note

I think you over-estimate people's literary knowledge. Most of my colleagues would struggle to name the author of the Da Vinci Code. They'd be able to name the Mary Shelley novel but only as the answer to "Name a film about a creature stitched together from body parts". They'd probably think Jane Austen wrote 50 Shades of Grey.

As for not being able to name anything written by the male Shelley, all I can say is, "Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"

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We should get rid of images all together and just have plain banknotes!

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Re: No problem with a woman being on a note

Most people's experience of 19th century novels is through the medium of TV and film adaptation.

There have been far more adaptations of Jane Austen than Mary Shelley, even allowing for the long tradition of Frankenstein films. Partly this is because Austen wrote more books, and partly because, in all honesty, she wrote better books.

Also, despite the adaptation entitled Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, the story is better-known in the Boris Karloff and Hammer interpretations, which have a tenuous connection to the original author (or, indeed, the original story).

So I rather doubt that either sex knows more novels by Mrs Shelley. WRT Mr Shelley, a lot of people probably have some knowledge of Ozymandias, even if they don't know who wrote it.

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@Loyal Commenter.

I certainly don't mean that I would have a problem with anyone of any sexual orientation, colour, creed, sex etc.etc. Frankly, I don't care who is on them. Irrelevant to me. What I was pointing out is that people should be on there because of their contribution to the country. Therefore, saying we should have a woman on there is as bad as saying we should have a man etc. The comment should be that XYZ should be on there because they did this or that. Their sex, sexual orientation, colour etc. is not relevant, their actions are. As you rightly say, Turing could be a good candidate because of his brilliance and contribution, not because he was gay. However, just as the campaign was to put a woman on banknotes, the campaign would probably be to put a gay person on there. The campaign is focused on the wrong thing.

So, let's have campaigns to say XYZ person should be on there and list their contributions rather than campaigns to say XYZ group should be represented.

Hence, I get rather upset with pressure groups that say someone should be on there because of some 'group' they're in. As people seem obsessed with grouping people by some characteristic rather than their acts, the easiest way is simply not to have anyone on there.

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"Today it's women, tomorrow it'll be a black person or a homosexual or a XYZ."

Well I certainly would have no objection to Alan Turing appearing on a bank note. I can't think of a Black British person of a similar standing to him right now, but I think that is a good reason why you should put such a black person on a banknote so that they can become better known.

Personally I would have chosen Ada Lovelace rather than Jane Austen. I've nothing against Jane Austen, but I don't think she changed the world in quite the same way that Ada Lovelace did. A world without Jane Austen would be much the same as the one we are in now, as there are other authors of similar standing, however, a world where computers were just calculators would be a very different place. Also people think of programming as being a man's job, but they don't realise it was invented by a woman.

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@AC.

You don't get around bias by simply introducing another bias. Positive biases are as bad as negative biases. Therefore, campaigning for a woman is as bad as campaigning for a man. The campaign should be for an individual with the reason being their accomplishments.

It's just like in employment. You want the best person, regardless of whether they're male/female, gay/straight, black/white etc. So, you need to look at their qualifications and abilities, not their 'grouping'. By campaigning for a woman, you're simply campaigning for a grouping and being as biased as those who chose not to put that 'grouping' on banknotes in the past.

It's all about the individual regardless of their 'group'. So, by all means campaign for a person, but based on their contribution, not their 'grouping'.

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@MrXavia.

Absolutely agree. So, why was the campaign for a woman? Why was it not for a named person with their accomplishments listed?

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@Bitterbug.

I was merely commenting on the campaigning for a group rather than a person. Campaign for any person you like.

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... or print a government health warning on them.

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Re: No problem with a woman being on a note

I would have to say that is more to do with education standards rather than any sexism on anyone’s part, I think you will be hard pressed to find many people who have read Shakespeare who were not forced to read it at school.

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If you signed the petition you're part of the problem, not part of the solution. Having no woman on the banknotes at a single point in time does NOT signify that no women have contributed to our society, it just means that we have only 4 bank notes and fewer than 25% of the people worthy of being on a banknote are women. In the top 100 of the BBC's greatest Britons only 12% were female. If we were to use that list as the source of banknote images, should the final 13 males on the list be replaced with less worthy females just to placate the feminazis? (Not that we should use the list - Tony Blair and Robbie Williams are on it!)

Should Montgomery of El Alamein be banned from the banknotes on the grounds of gender?

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Re: No problem with a woman being on a note

Ok let's have Beatrice Potter and think of the export posibilites to the Mercan's and Japanese!

Easy.

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Re: No problem with a woman being on a note

Why should it?

I rarely get too see many of my banknotes:- SWMBO has usually sequestrated them, so a woman on banknotes seems apposite...

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A world without Jane Austin? Oh what a utopia!

We wouldn't have all those hours of identical TV dramatisations of her terrible books. Maybe the TV people could do someone else's books, anyone else's books! (just not Dickens or Shakespeare, they do them too much already)

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I say get Turing on there! then we can have 2 queens on 1 note!

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Re: No problem with a woman being on a note

Ozymandias? The geezer that sings at the front of Led Zeppelin?

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"Fiat Currency is bad for your financial health".

Mine's the one with the silver helmet.

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petition to get a woman on a banknote,

There already is a woman on every banknote.

And on every coin too.

(but yes, I know: the point is that great figures from history were not all male)

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> do a quick straw poll of every man you know and ask them to name a Jane Austen novel.

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Turing? ok but I would prefer Eddington first. Another with alternative lifestyle choices.

I believe the rules are similar to stamps - nobody who is alive except for Her Maj.

Though I would say that Maggie is not a good choice for a maybe another 50 years - by the same token bLiar and Broon should never be depicted.

Famous women? Nightingale and Fry have been done....

Ada Lovelace.

EOM

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Being ultra picky, every banknote since 1953 has had a woman on it.

Mine's the one with the tenner in the pocket.

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Don't try to mis-represent this as being about minority groups demanding equal representation, women are 51% of the population.

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I want one with the Prophet Muhammed on. (I suppose him being a paedophile makes that less acceptable).

Locking up people unnecessarily wastes the money of the taxpayer and police time for stuff that actually needs to be done. (They waste so much time on pointless stuff like the Saville thing the time to do anything about it was when he was alive. They failed).

Feminists are more like Female Supremacists, They want all the good parts but without any of the bad ones.

Bad really because most women are fine.

Anyway there is a woman on every bank note the Queen. So if making things fair is the goal. (For whatever pointless reason to balance out that woman then the other side should have a man on it).

Totally logical otherwise is unfair....

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Austen's books are boring. She is massively overrated (Maybe because she is female ?)

Read some James Joyce or Thomas Pynchon.

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There was a campaign for a woman because the update in the notes meant that no woman was currently represented on any bank note (and no, the Queen does not count). It's all very well saying only use the best person regardless of gender, but who draws up the short list of candidates? If there are no women on the list they can't be considered for selection.

The Bank of England are bound to follow equality guidelines in their selection and to prove they do so - they didn't and can't so they caved in. That was the point of the case being taken to court. The fact it needed to go to court shows that the short lists are not fairly filled, hence the need for a campaign to ensure half the contributions of over hald the British population were recognised.

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