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Walsall magistrates found themselves strangely unconvinced by a Dudley man's claim that a prostitute found in his car was helping him buy tomatoes. Coppers eyeballed the "known sex worker" in Muhammad Ikhlaq's Nissan Micra in Walsall on 9 May, "apparently waiting for the driver to return from a nearby cash point", as the …

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Anonymous Coward

Legal Question

Errm, a stupid question from a non brit.

Was the man fined because only Solicitors are allowed to do soliciting in this country?

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Given that one of the functions of a 'Solicitor' is to act as a pimp for a barrister, your confusion is understandable.

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Happy

Good Pricing!

Are hookers that cheap over there? The ones our politicians get caught with are far, far more expensive than that.

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Re: Good Pricing!

Thats what im wondering too, 20 quid sounds very cheap based on how its portrayed on TV.

Of course, its entirely possible she wanted more and he was 20 short.

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Re: Good Pricing!

Ah yes. How it is "portrayed on TV". lol. Been tomato shopping recently?

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"Are hookers that cheap over there? The ones our politicians get caught with are far, far more expensive than that."

Its a market like any other, innit? Sure, you can find someone for twenty quid, but they are unlikely to compare favourably with one who's more like two hundred quid. Wee bit less likely to find the latter hanging around on the street touting for business, either.

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Re: Good Pricing!

Blow job perhaps? Or he really wanted to buy tomatoes the deviant sod!

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Paris Hilton

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For twenty notes you're either talking smackhead down an alley way or a bumper pack of Waitrose Organic Italian on the vine!

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*shrug* I confess, I watch TV and sometimes the dramas/soaps have such story lines, assuming Hollyoaks qualifies as either of those two.

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"Ah yes. How it is "portrayed on TV". lol. Been tomato shopping recently?"

So "20 will get you 400" so to speak.

That said at least she was legal.

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"...20 quid sounds very cheap based on how its portrayed on TV."

The price is probably proportional to the number of teeth the prostitute has.

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He would have better luck appealing to the EU Human Rights Court to overturn this decision. If someone can give the law the run around for terrorism charges, I'm sure they'll get him off tomato shopping with a prostitute!

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Perhaps he was getting off, tomato shopping with a prostitute?

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You will need the phrase . . .

"shopping for tomatoes" and plenty of others, once the ISP's start their filtering systems.

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Hmmm..

I'm sure we'd all like to know how many of those he got to the pound...

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Was she squeezing his plums?

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This law

Was ostensibly supposed to help prostitutes. How did it help that woman?

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No, the law exists to keep prostitutes off the streets and in licenced "massage parlours". Local residents are generally opposed to seeing ladies of the night hawking their flesh on the streets. Probably because they lower house prices.

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So you're saying it's about the government making sure they get a cut.

Now then, in this case she wasn't technically on the street so I have to wonder how she gets around. I imagine a taxi would be out of the question and a double-decker bus could fund a town for a month.

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"No, the law exists to keep prostitutes off the streets and in licenced "massage parlours". Local residents are generally opposed to seeing ladies of the night hawking their flesh on the streets. Probably because they lower house prices."

Actually no. The law is designed to keep prostitutes off the streets and away from men making money off them.

It is not in fact illegal to run a private flat or office for the purposes of sex for cash. IIRC you can have a partner or employee and employ a maid as long as she's a bit of a hound. You are not allowed to advertise however.

Of course if you become popular advertising will not be a problem.

And in the UK they arrest the customer as well as the worker.

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> IIRC you can have a partner or employee and employ a maid as long as she's a bit of a hound.

No, you're not allowed partners or employees. In the UK, prostitution is legal but brothels are illegal, meaning that prostitutes are forced by law to work alone. Which is bloody dangerous. Personally, I think prostitutes ought to be allowed to share premises so that they can share the cost of hiring a security guard, and that making this illegal is absolutely appalling, considering how dangerous their job is.

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This is your own personal experience?

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"No, you're not allowed partners or employees. In the UK, prostitution is legal but brothels are illegal, meaning that prostitutes are forced by law to work alone."

I'd check that. I definitely recall a plan to allow 2 "sex workers" to work from the same premises. I'm not sure if they would be viewed as sole traders or an actual partnership but I'm not sure if the change got passed.

Something in a budget statement?

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Let's get this straight - people like to talk about how screwed up it is in America, but over there they arrest and fine you just because someone who they believe (or know) to be a prostitute is sitting in your car, with no EVIDENCE of any crime taking place?

Who knows, maybe she offered to toss his salad and misunderstanding her intent he responded with "well, I need some tomatoes first"

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Well it is true, we do live in a repressed Victorian society where sex cannot be shown on TV, yet it is then flooded with violent, kill them, murder, blood thirsty films from the US.

Is this a paradox, protect us from sex but violence is perfectly ok?

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Anonymous Coward

Circumstantial?

that's what I don't get - maybe he really was going to buy tomatoes, what evidence was there that he was doing any illegal? Is hanging about with the local hooker and withdrawing cash from a cash machine illegal?

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The Crime is

charging money for sex, it's an untaxed business transaction (Cynthia Payne would know the details)

If, like some Japanese students, they let you buy them a meal and some drinks then shag you, instead of handing over cash, it's perfectly legal

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Prostitution is not a crime in England and Wales - this allows HMRC to extract income tax from the (estimated) earnings of prostitutes, something they could not do if it were illegal. Solicitation for prostitution is a crime, on the part of prostitutes and their clients. This legislation is stupid and cynical.

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The evidence.

It's not mentioned in the article, but I'd guess the "evidence" consisted of getting the known prostitute to confess in return for a lighter sentence.

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The law...

Old Mother Justice made her way to market on her ass, which she had christened Law many years ago. She found it awfully stubborn and wily, and would have loved to ride on a horse, like her friend Lady Godiva, or her little hotheaded friend, Joan or Arc, but deep down she knew that she was stuck with it until the bitter end.

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Ummmm .... but why ...

... why was he looking for toms, when he had already found one?

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"... why was he looking for toms, when he had already found one?"

Quality

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TOMATO

You say "TOMATO".

West Midands police say "SOLICITING".

That's quite a drift in accent.

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It's about time the law stops giving a shit about what consenting adults do in private.

Really, there are a lot more important things to worry about in the world than people paying each other for sex.

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As far as I'm aware, unless the law has recently been changed, the law doesn't give a shit about what consenting adults do in private. Prostitution is legal in ones own home as long as it isn't advertised.

The problem is that this kind of arrangement (especially in the £20 range) is often not in private, far from it in fact.

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consenting adults in private

Absolutely, why should the state be concerned unless there are overriding public risk issues.

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@skelband

"Really, there are a lot more important things to worry about in the world than people paying each other for sex."

I think its more devious than that: they pay each other for sex without paying any tax to the government.

Now you're suddenly in a whole heap of trouble because when the government realizes they're missing out on some tax income the gloves go off.

It's required. Because how else will those politicians pay for their own escort services?

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@Shades

"The problem is that this kind of arrangement (especially in the £20 range) is often not in private, far from it in fact."

True, but as you might notice in one of the articles linked from the original one "Five women and four men were detained [...] after Police received information suggesting that the property was being used as a brothel".

Now if all the women were there consensually and no force or coercion was being used to keep them there, then why is there a problem? It's all in private, nobody is being hurt (at least, not unless they want to be!) and every one is happy.

But, no, successive Governments have decided that two women working out of the same property is a brothel and if they have someone there as a security guard, he's classified as a pimp who is "living off immoral earnings".

Bravo, Governments! I bet we're all safer now...

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> As far as I'm aware, unless the law has recently been changed, the law doesn't give a shit about what consenting adults do in private.

You make a good point.

The proper place for this kind of thing is in a brothel or by using some method of contact that doesn't rely on hawking it in the street (which some people rightly or wrongly object to [me, I don't really care that much]).

However, prostitutes are pushed to this situation because of the various prohibitions on the operating of a brothel. The insanity of our laws make it legal to be a prostitute, but illegal for anyone to engage in any practical way of acquiring customers.

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"Now you're suddenly in a whole heap of trouble because when the government realizes they're missing out on some tax income the gloves go off."

Why does the movie Carry on Henry come to mind? Something about a sex tax?

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They were on the street in a car. Hardly private. Or do you think he booked a hotel room then drove his £20 hooker to a cashpoint?

Yes in certain areas we need laws removing or relaxing. Prostitution though? No.

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> They were on the street in a car.

Looking at tomatoes.

Lock those bastards away!

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What's illegal?

About sitting in a car with a woman, whatever her profession?

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Could have been worse?

He might have said he was paying for lettuce...

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This is easily done

I picked up a lady of the night by mistake one dark night in deepest darkest Tottenham.

I had just got a new car and thought I would go for a midnight spin. One of life's little pleasures...

As I was just making my way out of Tottenham this lady by the side of the road was waving her arms and it looked as if she was trying to flag me down. I thought she might be in trouble so I stopped the car. Thinking maybe she just needed a lift. She opened the door and got in...

I ended up dropping her about 20 yards down the road. I don't which one of us thought the other one weirder.

It's easily done. At that time I didn't realise I was on the spectrum. It might have come in handy if I had got nicked. Really don't know how I would have explained that one, apart from telling the truth - I thought she was in trouble or that she wanted a lift.

Wonder how long I would have got?

:-)

"I hereby sentence you Mr. Hardleigh-Hadderchance...."

Cries from my family in the courtroom...

Wonder how long I would have lasted in prison?

As the judge retires from a hard afternoon's sentencing, slipping into his naughty schoolgirl outfit to get spanked into next week by a leather clad dominatrix.

Life just isn't fair sometimes I suppose, but that is one I'm glad I 'got away with'.

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Thank your lucky stars you did not have any tomatoes with you....

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Re: This is easily done

I've pulled over at the side of the road in sheffield before to stop and make a phone call. A startlingly ugly woman with a can of strong lager just got in the passenger side.

Presumably enough to get me arrested had the 5-0 been there at the time.

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Re: Tottenham?

I picked up a lady in Tottenham in very similar circumstances. I didn't drop her 20 yds further on, though.

She wanted a lift home, and I gave her one. Ok, you can stop the sniggering, because yes, she took me to bed. And it wasn't for money.

The only thing I regret is that such an event. with a desirable stranger, is something that has only ever happened to me once.

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Enormous blue cock

One has been erected in Trafalgar Square — another story for you ...

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God I hate Tottenham.

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