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Southampton Uni research boffins have demonstrated access to pulsed femtosecond laser-written data bits in fused nano-structured quartz glass, which can store the data for a practically unlimited time. Jingyu Zhang, a researcher at the uni's Optoelectronics Research Centre (ORC) led the boffins of the Physical Optics Group in a …

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Storage Crystals

Is it just me that sees superman like crystals with data stored on them ?!

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Babylon 5 is the one that came to my mind.

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Stargate sprang to mind for me...

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Is it just you that didn't actually read the section of the article where that was already mentioned?

Of course you'd have to use a Krypton laser...

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"It's a FAAAKKKEEEE!"

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Any imperfections in the recording are likely a result of the explosion that destroyed Vreenak's shuttle craft.

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I thought of "Land of the Lost"....

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Chemistry / Geology fail.

"Calcite crystals, such as quartz, exhibit this phenomenon."

Quartz is silicon dioxide, Calcite is calcium carbonate.

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Re: Chemistry / Geology fail.

Came to say the same.

Also, rather oddly, while the article flounders between silica and calcite, the image lifted straight from the good boffs refers to glass. Methinks perhaps our courageous churnalism soviet doesn't understand what glass is made of?

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Re: Chemistry / Geology fail.

while calcite and quartz are indeed different, they are both birefringent; I suspect a misreading of the source article which emphasized their birefringence (rather than other properties) led to the mistake

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Re: Chemistry / Geology fail.

The article and its author are confused on several levels.

1. As others note, quartz is silicon dioxode, calcite is calcium carbonate.

2. Quartz is a crystal, not a glass. A crystal has a regular arrangement of atoms, glass has a random arrangement of atoms. To get the bifrefringence etc it has to be a crystal.

Let's hope el Reg does not descend to the abysmal level of the main stream media in its science reporting. You can teach scientists to become reporters but you can't do the opposite.

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Obligatory B5 reference here

"Transfer all data to crystal port..."

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Quartz != Calcite

Calcite is a carbonate.

Quartz is SiO2

Huh?

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>Crystal-based storage tech could kill the need for backups

Just 'co you can't break it doesn't mean you can't lose it! Just saying! : D

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Write once?

Once data is written, can it be erased, securely, without damaging the crystal so it can be written to again?

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Yesss! Science Fiction is HAPPENING!

Seriously, crystals have been part of Sci-fi for decades.

Adding this one to my list of cool sci-fi things that are on the brink of being real, or are so already, along with the Sabre engine, Google Glass, rail guns, Ion drives, energy shields (see the magnetic shielding systems Nasa wants for a Mars effort), power armor/loaders/exoskeletal suits, fusion power, autonomous robots, and neurally controlled artificial limbs...

So excited to be living in this century. This stuff has been hinted at in the past, but always 'Decades away' and now, we caught up. It's happening.

All we need now is a breakthrough in artificial gravity and we can get off this rock once and for all!

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Re: Science Fiction is HAPPENING!

Would now be a good time to point out that we've had actual working ion drives since the 1960s?

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Re: "Yesss! Science Fiction is HAPPENING!"

Yes, mass electronic surveillance is increasing all the time and fully autonomous killbots are just around the corner.

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I wish it wasn't so but we're a long way off being on the brink of a practical fusion reactor.

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Re: Science Fiction is HAPPENING!

Which is why I qualified my statement.

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Re: a long way off being on the brink of a practical fusion reactor.

Well, we could try spending some sensible amount of money on it

UK "big six" energy company profits before tax are about a billion pounds per year each (i.e. approx total 6 billion) . But even the US spends /under/ $500 million per year on fusion; and its total spend since 1957 or so is only about $30 billion. Hmm, what did BP have to put aside for the gulf oil spill?

See focusfusion.org (when it gets back up, or in the google cache) for more US figures..

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Re: a long way off being on the brink of a practical fusion reactor.

Off hand the last figure I heard was about £20, 000, 000, 000 including the compensation or people affected by the spill but BP was arguing that in court claiming a lot of spurious and exaggerated claims were being made. Doesn't stop you having an excellent point though.

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fusion reactors

"I wish it wasn't so but we're a long way off being on the brink of a practical fusion reactor."

Can't be more than 5 years away... at least that's what they've been saying since the 'fifties!

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Re: a long way off being on the brink of a practical fusion reactor.

"UK "big six" energy company profits before tax are about a billion pounds per year each (i.e. approx total 6 billion) . But even the US spends /under/ $500 million per year on fusion; and its total spend since 1957 or so is only about $30 billion. Hmm, what did BP have to put aside for the gulf oil spill?"

So in another 30-40 years it will be up and running then?

Fusion energy research. The biggest producer of PhDs in fusion energy research ever discovered.

Yay for that mr AC

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Re: "Yesss! Science Fiction is HAPPENING!"

Killerbots or Kilobots surely?

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"Ultrafast"

It's not clear how fast they expect "ultrafast" to actually be. Are we talking on the same sort of order as the slower tape drives? Writeable DVDs? HDDs? As high up as Flash? Slower than all of these?

Given the focus on archiving, the implication seems to be that it'll still be at the lower end of the scale, but I can't find anything that actually says what they're expecting.

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Re: "Ultrafast"

It's a few days since I read the paper, but IIRC they were writing at ~1MB/s, so it would take 3.6e8 seconds (11.4 years!) to fill a 360TB disk. This is the lab prototype however, we're probably 5-10 years off commercial versions.

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3,000x faster (3Gbyte, 30 Gbits) would still be over a day to fill one. About 300 times faster is about 2 weeks for 360 T byte, or a bit more than 1T byte an hour which is acceptable. Only 30x faster on a production version would still be usable, but not so nice.

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But when copying between HDD is around 100Mbs max practical speeds, the crystal storage doesn't need to work faster than that to replace the HDD for a backup medium...

Sure SATA may operate in the Gb/s range, but I've not found a HDD that can do that (I use WD Black drives mainly due to the 5 year warranty)

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"Ultrafast" refers to the laser pulse duration: femtoseconds. Nothing to do with read/write speeds, just a hardware requirement.

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*You* might only be getting 100Mb/s, but there are these computer things called servers that shift data across a redundant array of inexpensive drives all at the same time. Serial read/write speeds easily in excess of 1Gb/s from DAS is possible without exotic hardware.

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Oh thank God!

At last a "revolutionary new storage medium" which looks like it might actually be capable of producing backups/archives with a chance of outlasting the primary medium!!!!!!one!

...and fast too!

...and using cheap media! Lumps of common glass no less!

Absolutely fantastic! Wonder how it'll be done. Spinning glass cylinders with the read/write heads running along a track like the very early wax gramophones? Or thick discs more like contemporary stuff?

I hope I live to see something come of this!

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I hope I live to see something come of this!"

IIRC IBM labs did something with storing data in crystals using laser quite some years back. In 3D no less!

I remember thinking at the time that it was similar to the Star Trek TNG crystal data cubes. Or even the crystals in HAL in 2001:A Space Odyssey. Or ORAC in Blakes 7. And so on and so on :-).

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Wow

Hopefully the Asgard still honour that protected planet treaty, Anubis won't like this one bit.

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RIAA, BPI, etc, etc...."Nooo future, noooo future, for you!"

"Here you go son, this was your granpa's media drive, it's 300 years of entertainment in a box and not one iota came from Apple, so it's yours forever, to pass on to your children and your children's children and .....

"Who's Apple, dad?"

"Oh, they were around when I was your age, they owned every scrap of entertainment there was, that is, until this box of tricks came along"

"Does it have all the Gay Laser Sharks on Acid back catalogue?"

"But of course son"

"Whooaaa!"

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Give it 20 years and we'll be buying these for 10 quid off eBay while laughing at our comically small multi-terabyte NAS enclosures.

After all, 20 years ago I had an Atari ST with a double-density floppy drive and a drawer full of floppy disks and thought it fantastic because I wasn't loading data off a crappy C60 audio tape.

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Give it 20 years and we'll be shuffling 1TB/hr video'/holovideo files on a regular basis and STILL complaining on there not being enough storage to go around. Because when it comes to mass storage, we ALWAYS seem to find way to fill it up.

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ok, so we can write to a sugarlump

or a sugarlump sized piece of glass.

1: How big is the fecking rewriter?

2: You's still going to need a backup. Backups are for data you care enough about to keep at least 2 copies i diffferent locations.(*)

(*) Cue lecture about "RAID is not backup, Archiving is not backup, Replication is not backup"

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a millionth of a billionth of a second

I think of it as a micro.nanosecond. (Or a deci.centi.milli.micro.millisecond; multipliers I'm comfortable with.)

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Feel free to dismiss the following...

About 30 years ago, some New Age-y friends of mine played an audio tape for me of a lecture by a diver who was swimming around the Bahamas after a major storm. (Note that I am not saying I believe this:) He claimed to have found the remains of a city, temporarily uncovered by the storm. In the center was some kind of hall with a round table in the center. In the center of the table was a large crystal with lines incised in it, which he brought back and was apparently showing at the lecture. It would mimic whatever was shown it, like a striped card (not in the sense of reflection — the image remained after the card was removed). He posited it was some kind of memory device or display. I haven't been able to find this story anywhere else.

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need now, before government intervention

I need a good source to store my yottabytes of adult material. thank you.

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Is glass not a liquid?

All-be-it one that is almost solid, over time it does very slowly deform (see windows in very very old buildings)

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Re: Is glass not a liquid?

No, it is not. Totally busted myth, needs to die now.

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Re: Is glass not a liquid?

No its not. I believe that myth comes from the fact that early glass was made by pouring liquid glass onto a slab so it flowed out until it cooled so the glass was thicker near the middle than the edges. When broken up to make leaded windows it makes more sense to have the thick edge at the bottom eventually leading to this myth becoming common knowledge 800 years later.

Glass does appear to deform if you fill it with lots of beer and drink from it often enough, this is another fiction but well worth testing just in case.

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Eternal memory?

I think not - ISTR my dad showing me a quartz crystal with imperfections due to cosmic rays.

Good luck with stopping them. So like all backups they'll need a backup.

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Angus Thermopyle approves

In the spidery recesses of my mind, I seem to remember something similar to this in Stephen R. Donaldson's "Gap" series. IIRC, ship's logs were written to immutable ruby crystals. That's about all I remember though. That, and the name Angus Thermopyle.

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Oh, please...

not another "Gee wiz, look what's coming down the road in another twenty years or so" story. Bah humbug. If these bulls*it stories were true, I'd have my flying car by now, cold fusion would be a reality, carbon nanotube batteries would propel electric cars at 1000 miles a pop, and I would have my "Real Feel" holographic television by now.

Look, if it's not going to be available in stores within a month or so, don't bother writing the story. Stick to writing about stuffy British Prime Ministers, porn filters, current IT, and beer. All the stuff we really case about. Especially the porn.

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Re: Oh, please...

Even more underwhelming than just being another "Gee Whiz" future story..... There was research going on back on the late 1980s or early 1990s on using quartz as storage. IIRC, I read this article in Computer World, and they were predicting it wouldn't be available in products for 10 years back then.

Perhaps someone has a blue phone box that doesn't place them at *exactly* their desired place and time?

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All your tax records for *decades* on one indistructible package.

It's got me excited I can tell you.

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