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China and the US were able to set aside their cyber-spying-oneupmanship at a meeting yesterday, with officials from both sides agreeing to improving cooperation in tackling hackers. Before representatives met to talk about computer security defences, China had made much of whistleblower Edward Snowden's revelations about the NSA …

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"America's web snooping doesn't derail cosy security confab"

Why would it? Both the American and Chinese governments (regardless in America's case of which party is in power) have exactly the same attitude to their populations. As has the UK government of course.

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He has a way out..... Just

A quick train trip to Vladivostok, and either a quiet sea trip avoiding US hunter killer subs or a private jet across the Pacific and in by the back door.

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"So, we've got all this data we've hoovered up on people that have VPN'd out of the Great Firewall", says Uncle NSA.

"Oh good, we've got all this data we've hacked from you and other places around the world", says the Peoples Party.

Simultaneously.. "Shall we trade?"

"Great, we can now hunt down some more disidents"

"And we can avoid that pesky Constitution"

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It's like the old saying....

It's like the old saying:

"Don't steal - the government hates the competition."

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163data.com.cn

Maybe China can start by shutting down 163data.com.cn which seems to exist purely to send spam and attempt to break into servers. Has anyone ever seen any valid traffic from their address range?

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The real transcript of the meeting

USA: OK, I admit that we were trying to crack your machines

China: We both knew that we were probing each other's cracks and knew that the other knew. We just did not like being honest about it.

USA: Friends again ?

China: Let's shake on it.

USA & China: Great, we can now go back to spying on who really worries us: our own citizens.

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Big Brother

Extremest SEL's from the ends of the spectrum. Unite to attack the centre.

The enemy these governments fear above averything

Their own people.

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Partly...

What they really fear is their own people becoming aware...

"Until they become conscious they will never rebel, and until after they have rebelled, they cannot become conscious." - George Orwell, 1984

Our own precious politicos keep the masses happy with 'bread & circuses', lies & innuendo - and guess what! The average citizen is so apathetic politically beyond his own short-term self interest, that this approach has met with success. Obviously, anyone attempting to short-cut the system and inform the populace is a threat which must be eradicated...

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Big Brother

Re: The truth is...

Yes, keep parroting The Party's line...

... although whether that's the Republican Party or the Chinese Communist Party, I'm not sure...

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Re: The truth is...

Given Gitmo, Prism, the neverending wars, etc, I'm hard pressed to tell the difference myself at times.

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Re: The truth is...

"...the only good hacker is a dead hacker.

Snowden will get his due."

And so our mysterious AC signs in....

I have not seen such "consistency" since Zmodem.

Hello there. How's the weather in Maryland, or can you only see through a camera?

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Re: The truth is...

Re: The truth is...

"...the only good hacker is a dead hacker.

Snowden will get his due."

And so our mysterious AC signs in....

I have not seen such "consistency" since Zmodem.

Hello there. How's the weather in Maryland, or can you only see through a camera?

I noticed the same - I just rolled back through his comments and it's not actually a very *good* Turing script.

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Re: The truth is...

Uh, last time I checked the Obama administration was pulling out all the stops to get Snowden and endorsing the NSA snooping among other civil liberty abuses. Last I checked he isn't a Republican... Sadly, both parties appear to be in bed together on this issue to the detriment of the American public.

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@TechW - Re: The truth is...

Sorry, I have trouble distinguishing between the Right Wing American political party and the *Really* Right Wing American political party...

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Headmaster

Re: @TechW - The truth is...

The approved field test for identifying level of right wing political affiliation is to say "abortion tax food stamps".

After uttering the phrase, observe the subjects forehead to discern any arterial swelling or bulging. If communicating by writing and you are unable to view the subject look for grammatical anomalies such as random capitalization, poor or nonsensical spelling, lack or extreme over use of punctuation, references to a deity or religious body and/or use of the terms 'socialism, nanny state, sheeple, welfare, printing money, NRA or patriot'.

Specimens will exhibit increased quantities of these indicators in direct proportion to their political affiliations. Should you encounter a more extreme specimen do not engage or interact with it. Ignoring them does increase their general irritability however this is considered preferable to maintaining a dialogue with one as this has been shown to cause severe brain injury and cerebral lesions.

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Language Please

I know my hopes are probably in vain, but I really, really hope the word 'cyberspace' isn't being used in official conversations. People are going to look back on us and laugh at how we called our network infrastructure cyberspace. I know some super computer illiterates and even they say Internet or web.

- Sir, you stand accused of intercepting our communications in cyberspace.

: I, sir, kindly tell you we have no idea where this cyberspace is, or even what it is.

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Headmaster

Re: Language Please

The preferred term is "google-nets".

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Computer security done government style

Set all the passwords to 'password' and arrest all the hackers who defeat government style authentication.

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More like US

The US seems disinterested in state sponsered piracy from China while anti-piracy efforts from both the FBI and DHS are attempting to thwart "piracy" within the US. Does anyone remember when pundits in US politics and many pro-oligarchy US politicians were trying to sell the big US manufacturing sell-out along the lines on exporting democracy? They said they knew how much damage this was goign to do to the middle class in the US but thin kof the children, all of this trade will make the PRC more like US. Unfortunatly the US is becoming more like the PRC as the wealthy profit off of cheap PRC labor and then use their influence to bribe, nee, contribe to politicans superfunds the US becomes more like the PRC.

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Priorities

I know we've both done espionage but we must put them hackers using P2P programs in the deep dark prison they belong in like little Tyler for instance. I know he's 14 but he's a danger to the world economy.

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Where's the universal truth.

Crush the hackers before they make it obvious what to fix, accidentally stopping government spying.

According to governments "If a ain't broke, don't fix it".

According to citizens "Why don't they fix this thing?".

Open means can't hide.

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If this is true (and I will not be drawn into defining "true") then this is a great day for humanity and the future of the same.

(Or maybe not?)

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