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According to Nokia, the new Lumia 925 is its "third flagship" phone at the moment. It hasn’t retired the other two Lumias (the 920 and the 928) which continue to sail proudly alongside the 925, with all their flags fluttering. However there are times when one must wave a pedantic arm from the back of the class where the naughty …

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Re: "it’s like carrying a tiny black hole with you"

I'm not so sure, it looked to me like what on Android fall to often memory-sapping third-party basic functionality apps and widgets, had here been integrated into the main OS.

If it runs the National Rail app, maps, satnav, good sound recording (looks outstanding), a fuck off camera, (ditto), a digital radio app, email, browsing the internet, and a few other bits and bobs, isn't that enough? Isn't it a bit diminishing returns to ask for much else? Do I really need Hello Kitty Koran/Bible reader app and Rejkjavik Tourism Info app et al?

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Re: "it’s like carrying a tiny black hole with you"

The only app I'm missing from my iPhone is Strava. That said, I have since migrated to an on-bike GPS so it's not been used much in a year.

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"Do I really need...."

Well yes you do, often some of the 'best apps' are those weird little niche ones you find that are just perfect for you.

But apps aside Nokia have just stuffed last years phone in a new case and took of QI, still they're more than happy to charge flagship prices for this 'new phone'

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Re: "it’s like carrying a tiny black hole with you"

Better carrying a black hole than being an a-hole :)

Do you get some sort of prior notification of Microsoft related posts?

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Re: "it’s like carrying a tiny black hole with you"

What is Hello Kitty Koran?

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Re: "it’s like carrying a tiny black hole with you"

Dangerously blasphemous I would imagine!

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Re: "it’s like carrying a tiny black hole with you"

The national rail app on WP8 is the best i've used - surprisingly better than the multiple IOS and Android ones i've bought and used.

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I want....

...a "hide Eadon and people feeding him" button. Though I suspect such a thing a would hide thi

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Android

Great phone. Does it come in Android?

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Re: Android

"Great phone. Does it come in Android?"

No - Nokia are amongst other things focused on performance and security - so Android wouldn't be a good fit.

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Another Lumia? If they're not careful they'll be as bad as HTC are/were and Sumsung are getting with so many damn devices it's hard to know which are the turkeys and which are genuinely good devices for the money.

The build and specifications look good, and while I like some features in WinPhone as some are well thought out and work well, I find a lot of the basics extremely irritating.

As a designer and UI specialist I find (subjectively) that the interface is ghastly and there's too much "hidden" functionality than is not obvious and instead you're left searching around the interface for arbitrary ellipses (...) or swiping randomly in the hope of finding what you're looking for. But then the latest Android versions have gone backwards on this invisible interface of "..." front as well, which isn't good.

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I wouldn't describe the ellipses as arbitrary they are always in the bottom right of the screen. If there is another screen to swipe to then a small part of that is shown on the RHS of the current screen, although some third party apps seem to break this rule. The main screen, this was taken away as it was considered to be a waste of real estate.

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Erm, if Android users didn't keep posting about things behind "behind" in terms of specs then it would be possible for everyone to release one phone a year in each price bracket.

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Quantity.

Regardless of what you think of the iPhone, I dislike the changes Apple made to the market. Back in the day, the fact that Nokia had so many different phones was considered one of their good points. Want a smart business phone? Nokia have one. Want a sliding phone with a camera? Nokia have one. Want a phone which unfolds in an esoteric way and can change colour? Nokia have one. Want a shock-proof phone because you keep jumping off mountains? Nokia have one. Want a phone with a full QWERTY keyboard? Nokia have one. I liked that, and, judging by their market dominance at the time, so did everyone else.

Apple have conditioned people to believe that there should be One Phone, to the extent that Nokia now face criticism for releasing a range of phones to suit different needs. This article, even though it's a glowing recommendation of the 925, is still immersed in that attitude. Not everyone likes the bright colours of the earlier Lumias? Well, no, but they all come in, among the other colours, black: there's choice. Shame they've got rid of the wireless charging? But they haven't: you can still buy a 920: there's choice.

Is choice really that bad?

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Re: Quantity.

When you describe it like that, I completely agree about having a good range of devices - that have differentiating features.

The problem I have is that we're left looking at a line of devices that are (superficially) very similar to look at and who's to know which ones are actually worth the money and which ones are more land-fill?

Take a look at this page: http://www.htc.com/uk/smartphones/

Aside from the two Windows 8 devices (proving that it's not just Nokia that make them), the rest of the phones on the page are distinguishable by small variations in size (don't forget, they're all scaled to one size), by name... err HTC One - One SV, One X+, One XL, One X, One S and One V... wtf? By the marketing tag rubbish such as "Simply stunning" or "Exceptional performance comes standard" and the inevitable near 5 star rating lies that we expect to see on a manufacturer's own website.

There's probably only one or two phones on that page that are worth the bother for the money, a couple that are penis extensions for those with money and the rest? Probably land fill.

Looking at a similar Nokia page: http://www.nokia.com/gb-en/phones/lumia/ the problem's the same. Other than a couple of more rounded, possibly smaller, devices they all largely look the same and feature the same baffling product numbers that seem to make little sense and there's no order to on the page.

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Re: Quantity.

yes, Yes, YES

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Re: Quantity.

Still waiting for the triangular or heptagonal killer device...

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Re: Quantity.

What you're missing Nokia also used to do, was deliberately crippled their phones, and then say, aha if you want that, you need the model that's coming out in 6 months.

Look at the communicator series.

2 B&W ones, ok lets forgive them the first, as there was nothing else.

However, as the 9110 came out, colour screens were available, Nokia's answer, wait till the 9210.

9210, people were starting to use Wifi, however Nokias Answer, wait till the 9500....

Also Nokias software updates were rare, almost never gave you new functionality, and were almost always minor bug fixes.

Apples releases (and for that matters googles) add functionality to a device you already own, adding value to it.

If you think Nokia changed it's tune, just all those Windows 7.8 users, who had them sometimes less than 12 months before being told...want windows 8? Hah, buy a new phone, or get some of it (no apps though) with 7.8

For that, Nokia won't get any more of my money for their phones...

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Maybe, maybe not.

I'm not sure whether I should get one or not, I will wait until Eadon tells me what he thinks.

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Re: Maybe, maybe not.

He says "buy a mediocre android". Shouldn't be tricky to find....

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Re: Maybe, maybe not.

Eadon doesn't think. Eadon is Google's Hate Machine™. If it's MS or Apple, Eadon hates it.

If there's an article about a non MS or Apple technology, Eadon will use it to say how much he hates Apple and MS.

If there's an article about a Google technology, Eadon will post that Open Source cures cancer and that WP gives you crabs.

The algorithm is really very simple, and based on their fabulous webcrawling tech.

We should applaud Eadon for the technical achievement that it is, a testament to what can be done when guerrilla-marketers get to order engineers around.

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Re: Maybe, maybe not.

Right...and using an article about some phone to tell everybody how much you hate Eadon is something else entirely of course, eh?

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Re: Maybe, maybe not.

Well played, sir.

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Re: Maybe, maybe not.

"alpha geek" - you owe me a keyboard.

How secure is your blog again?

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Re: Maybe, maybe not.

Eadon - If you really were an "Alpha Geek" you wouldn't keep making embarrassingly naive comments about Windows, which show that you really don't know much about it. You can't be a true "top of the pile" geek and not know the most ubiquitous server and desktop operating system in the world. You should also know UNIX/Linux, which you probably do, as well as a few of the more obscure OSes such as Tandem, zOS, OS/400, RISC OS. You should know about infrastructure, enterprise, programing, DBAing, backup, recovery, DR, development, hosting and probably a bit of electronics to boot. You seem to know Linux possibly UNIX and possibly a little programing but are world class at complaining about things you don't have much knowledge about.

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Re: Maybe, maybe not.

Eadon, the mere concept of you as an alpha geek is a vile and calumnious slur on geekdom in general.

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Re: Maybe, maybe not.

Eadong gets his numbers wrong though. He claimed one of the German councils saved something like £4 billion using open source when it was actually £4 million.

Plus he conveniently forgot to mention the other big Linux deployment where they actually went back to Windows and Office as Linux and open office didn't cut it.

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Re: Maybe, maybe not.

I've used almost every OS around, I'm an OSX user at the moment. Just because someone uses Windows it doesn't make them clue-less.

Some people want an OS with mainstream applications and find Apple stuff too expensive. Linux is just the cheapo option for people who either just want to write their own stuff or have very low standards/expectations of software.

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Re: Maybe, maybe not.

This is our Eadon?

http://www.eadon.com

Here you might be able to see if he fits the bill of an ubergeek.

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Re: "Modesty ... geek credentials. Now get back to rebooting your servers, Wintard.

You come across as social-skill deficient and socially dysfunctional. That's from the way you write, e.g. your referring to your "modesty...[and] geek credentials", as though such claims matter in an interaction with another adult human being; and also from your bitter abusiveness to others on the basis of operating system, as though the other is less than fully human and deserving of respect; and from your spending time on this site doing so, cultivating such bad 'relations'. I would imagine there are some major emotional issues underlying this.

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Re: Maybe, maybe not.

Geocities escapee ... quick, quarantine that site quickly before it propagates

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Re: Maybe, maybe not.

@Eadon - Current figures show web visible servers as 32.9%Linux/35.3% Windows, IDC figures show 20.4%Linux/45.8%Windows. Source Wikipedia.

Neither metric is particularly useful, but both show Windows clearly in the lead.

I don't care about your imagined credentials, or your modesty which I've never seen any evidence of, however I note that you immediately assume that anyone who disagrees with you is a "Wintard". If you have to use abuse to try to win an argument, you've lost it.

Oh and I'm a storagetard, I need to know all OSes in order to do my job.

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Re: Maybe, maybe not.

Modesty (and time) prevent me from listing my geek credentials.

Then allow me, based on what we know for sure.

1. You have never posted anything even remotely knowledgeable on the Register. Not once.

There's been a lot of "linux is the best" and "Windows sucks" and "Android is the perfect glint in God's eye" and "WP is bad because bad baddy badness" but never, not once have you told anyone HOW to do something or how to achieve any end beyond "use linux Mint and libre office", to widespread derision.

2. You have a website which looks like somebody puked four bags of Haribo star mix over a goth. You have confirmed that it's yours. It does not speak well of your ability to distinguish good design from bad.

3. Information on the website led some enterprising to your blog, which was infested with malware to the point that Google had blacklisted it. This does not speak well of your ability to secure Apache, a fairly basic task.

4. You are repeatedly and persistently wrong about the simplest of things.

For example -

  • You maintain that .NET is dead. You claim ASP.NET is insecure because it is closed source. Both of these are demonstrably false and ASP.NET is open source.
  • You claim that Windows Server doesn't play nicely with linux, which implies that you don't know what LDAP is.
  • You claim that WP is resource-hungry in the face of all available evidence and the reviews right here on The Register and pretty everywhere else

I could go on but what I'm trying to get across here is my bewilderment at what you're doing.

You CLEARLY knock sweet fuck all about enterprise environments. You don't appear to know what F/OSS actually means. You make statements about technologies based on no evidence which utterly contradict the findings of those who've tested those technologies.

You made a toy that maybe five hopeful parents bought for the kid they hoped was autistic instead of just retarded and that Dragon's Den laughed out of their warehouse. I don't know. Maybe you're handicapped in some way?

There's no other logical explanation.

UNLESS somewhere out there there's a guy called James Eadon and you're posting here to try to make the whole world think he's an annoying dickwad. That could be it.

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Re: Maybe, maybe not.

@Dogged. I think you go too far, I'm with you until the last few paras. I don't think belittling his personal achievements is ok. I speak as someone who has had some of his more unpleasant utterances directed at me. I just think the way to go here is show when he's wrong, and be calm and polite when he's abusive. Agree with him when he's correct about something.

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Re: "Modesty ... geek credentials. Now get back to rebooting your servers, Wintard.

Its a shame that this magnetic charisma and charm hasn't come through in any of your 2700 posts.

Especially since you have been a member here for almost four years.

The only thing that seems to have come across so far is that you are a cock.

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Re: Maybe, maybe not.

If I use Mac OS X v10.7, does that make me a leotard?

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Re: Maybe, maybe not.

Eadon is too narrow minded to be anything like an 'alpha geek'. Not to mention a bit of an arrogant egotist thinking of himself in those terms.

Before long, he'll be talking in the third person and demanding folk worship him.

His comments were amusing, if innacurate, once. Now they're just tired and irrelevant.

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Re: Maybe, maybe not.

"He claimed one of the German councils saved something like £4 billion using open source when it was actually £4 million."

Actually it cost tens of millions more than it saved (IBM threw something like £50 million at the project), still hasnt been completed a decade later, and when they need to do real work, they have to access Windows sessions via Citrix...

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Re: Maybe, maybe not.

"For your safety, security and pleasure, this site contains no Microsoft software whatsoever! "

Right at the bottom sort of confirms it I suspect. ;-)

Nor does it contain anything interesting either, so another reason for me not to visit.

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Re: Maybe, maybe not.

"I think you'll find that Linux is the most ubiquitous server operating system"

Nope - that would be Widows Server @ 75% - http://www.trefis.com/company?hm=MSFT.trefis#/MSFT/n-0582/0657?from=rhs&c=top

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@Dogged. I think you go too far

Perhaps.

My personal theory is that Mr James Eadon is a contented and high-flying Microsoft engineer who knows nothing about any of this and that what we have here is his vengeful ex-wife, who from the amount of technical knowledge displayed, works in a créche. and is attempting to ruin his reputation and hurt his employer.

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Re: Maybe, maybe not.

"2. You have a website which looks like somebody puked four bags of Haribo star mix over a goth. "

Barsteward

On the other hand I may need to borrow that description from time to time.

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Please stop feeding the troll

The only way to kill a troll is to ignore it.

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WTF?

"Modesty"

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

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