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As all the world that cares knows, the leaders of the eight most powerful nations in the world have just been holding a summit meeting at the Lough Erne Resort in Northern Ireland. Most accounts suggest that this is a 5-star golfing hotel complex, but according to Google Maps and Google Earth it is just a muddy field: Damn, …

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Boffin

I'm sure the google maps view is from the past

But it's the far past. I mean, Google earth says that the housing estate I live in is surrounded by a jungle. In real life said patch of green vanished over a decade ago to make way for adjacent housing estates.

Google must not have been getting the latest images for some reason.

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Re: I'm sure the google maps view is from the past

...Or selective censorship? If I was a G8 elite, I'd be happy to know activists couldn't use the G-man's maps to locate me! But wait, I am one.....

/E Schmidt

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Re: I'm sure the google maps view is from the past

The street view imagery is up to date for the resort though. Oddly my house, also in Northern Ireland, is shown under construction in the aerial view, but isn't there at all in the street view. We moved in 8 months ago, so aerial is under a year old, street view at least 18 months (but could be a lot more).

So... some images are more up to date than others.

Which maybe isn't a very profound conclusion.

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Re: I'm sure the google maps view is from the past

It isn't odd at all, Maps and Street View are separate entities. Google buys up old, outdated satellite images for use in maps, and as far as I can remember doesn't actually own its own satellite. Street View is Google's own creation and has its own of pictures, the updating of which is ongoing. My street had 4 year old pictures already on street view but new ones appeared last year, for instance.

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Where's Eadon?

Look, look Microsoft fail, look!!!!1111

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WTF?

Re: Where's Eadon?

Upvoted for the joke, but how is this Microsoft fail?

If Bing shows what's actually there and Google doesn't show what's there, how come Bing is the one that's failing?

I are confuzzled.

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Re: Where's Eadon?

AC upvoted (beat me to it!). Anyway it ought to be "MICROSOFT SECURITY EPIC FAIL".

Dogged -- there is no fail, but Eadon would find some.

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Re: Where's Eadon?

"Dogged -- there is no fail, but Eadon would find some claim it was."

There I fixted it.

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Re: Where's Eadon?

Now what's worse for the little child, the fact that Googles maps are wrong, or

GOOGLE CENSOR PUPPET OF US GOVERMENT FAIL!

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Anonymous Coward

It never happened.

The Commissar Vanishes.

Ignorance is Truth.

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Google extortion?

"nice place. Be a shame if anything happened to it. Like disappearing off the face of the internet"

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Re: Google extortion?

That would be an interesting marketing angle for large commercial concerns that rely on people attending for their profits.

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Google pyschology

If we can't see the G8 summit, then they can't see us. Or our questionable tax arrangements.

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Oops - They forgot to remove the Streetview Images

The main overhead images date from 2013, look at the bottom of the screen for the date. They have obviously been replaced by older images.

BUT, oh dear they forgot to remove the streetview images which are more than detailed enough ( event though they date back to 2009)

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Re: Oops - They forgot to remove the Streetview Images

streetview is no good for the nork nukes. Or an amphibian approach by a team from Mars (purely hypothetical, I haste to add, we arrive in peace)

well, on a more serious note, what exactly did happen? Was it that the "relevant personnel" who contacted google and asked, nicely, to foil the potential tree-huggers trying to swim across, were not aware of the existence of MS imagery? Since this happens on British soil, I'm sure the power in charge, i.e. Ms May, is due to fall on her sword, shortly, for this gross oversight of basic security measures, non?

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Re: Oops - They forgot to remove the Streetview Images

Those are just generic date stamps that Google plaster over everything, they don't refer to the actual date of the image data.

For example all the imagery from around my house is copyright 2013 but dates from ~2009.

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Facepalm

Whereas Apple maps has it in a car park in Grimsby?

"Siri, Apple Maps are clearly a vastly inferior attempt to copy what Google does best. Have you any suggestions regarding what we could do for IOS7 in a similar vein?"

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Re: Whereas Apple maps has it in a car park in Grimsby?

Little Grimsby or Great Grimsby?

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I think someone needs to get in touch with the campaign for real time, someone's obviously been monkeying around with time travel again.

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Mushroom

Missed Opportunity

Google could have erased Ireland entirely and saved everyone a lot of bother, ESPECIALLY if they waited until the "G"crats had arrived.

While thinking in that vein, could I ask Google to erased DisneyLand Paris; that bunch of tossers who were still selling tickets to all and sundry despite the fact a strike had shut them down, and the ONLY things you could do inside were buy Disney tat and walk around looking at the picket lines???

Nuke because I had to get the credit card company to do a charge-back as Disney refused a refund.

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Re: Missed Opportunity

> despite the fact a strike had shut them down

Ah! A french company where the strike status is actually different from the non-strike one?

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Re: Missed Opportunity

That isn't the place in Ireland where Google taxes are done by any chance?

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If you look on Google Earth with the historical imagery feature, the empty field is from 2004, there is one showing the resort from 2010, but it is in black and white for some reason.

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Beat me to it

First thing I thought of when I read the story. At first I thought the B&W was some sort of infrared artifact but there are clear shadows. Perhaps moon shadows?

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Simples

While conspiracy theories make for vicarious interest the simple answer may be that it's more often, than not, cloudy & wet in those parts so the probability of getting a clear visible overpass is low. Microsoft and Google obviuosly using different image suppliers.

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Is it on Apple maps?

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It might be somewhere.

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40km south of Bejing...

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Conspiracy theory !

Both maps are correct - Bing shows the public hologram of a twee golf course and hotel whilst Google shows the truth, if you zoom in you can clearly see the opening to the lower forth dimension.

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I won't dare

to share my vision looking at those pics, given the gea-summ and... oh no, they're already outsi

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Google lightens the image to reduce detail

The Google images in north west Scotland, where twice a year NATO live-firing war games happen, are degraded by lightening the images when zoomed in, all the time, not just during "Joint Warrior". Bing doesn't do this, and their imagery is more recent anyway. Makes you wonder if Google are prove something.

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Re: Google lightens the image to reduce detail

Pardon ?

Where exactly ?

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Re: Google lightens the image to reduce detail

Re: Pardon?

If you zoom in on areas along the far north west coast of Scotland, you'll eventually get to a zoom level that sort of fades the detail. (North of Ullapool, south of Durness)

Mildly bemused by the downvote in the previous post, as I'm genuinely puzzled about why Google does this. It's quite irritating. There is a group here working on archaeological sites for which aerial photography is superb. An example:- recently an unerected standing stone was discovered, very far west for such an artefact. It's actually visible in the Bing imagery, but once you get to that critical zoom point in Google you get that annoying fade. Also frustrating personally, as while I'm not particular Google-friendly, I'm definitely on the Eadon side of the Microsoft divide, yet find myself grateful for their offering.

Tux, 'cos he got me here!

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Re: Google lightens the image to reduce detail

Hi QL

There is no conspiracy, honest. ;-)

The difference between Google & Bing is solely down to their respective dataset provider's useable coverage, (Bing having paid for exclusive rights to the best current available, possibly 25cm/px).

The area you refer to, has fairly reasonable oblique coverage, (AIUI, Bing's rendering engine can re-project oblique to vertical), but poor vertical coverage, (AIUI, required by Google Map's rendering engine).

If you look in Google Earth, their source for that specific SW trending NE coastal zone, is probably 1m/px, and very badly affected by haze, (possibly oversampled, hence the funny water colour/pixellations).

GetMapping have been struggling since 1999, with aircraft availability, against weather conditions, (cloud cover & haze), to collate a coherent set of commercial quality vertical imagery for Scotland, (30cm/px or better).

Their primary targets being commercially viable areas, i.e. densely populated, (where 6cm/px is getting to be the expected norm), but NW Scotland ticks few commercial boxes.

Until fairly recently, their website's coverage maps displayed for each available resolution. For Scotland, these clearly showed as extremely stripey, (particularly so in NW, and Peterhead, areas). Since processing their 2008/9's aquisition campaigns, they've rationalised these into a single coverage map, which looks almost presentable.

http://www2.getmapping.com/Support/Aerial-Photography-Coverage

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Re: Google lightens the image to reduce detail

Thanks for the detail. While any conspiracy theory is, of course, more attractive, I'll let locals know it's likely not military-related as soon as I can make myself heard above the noise of helicopters over the house....

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Re: Google lightens the image to reduce detail

LOL Helicopters.

To clarify, when I said "currently available", I'd mean't commercially, which Google are prepared to pay for.

The fade when zooming in, lowres zoomed-out, hires zoomed-in, you are switching between viewing 2 entirely different datasets, acquired at different times, in different conditions.

N.B. The haze in the Bing imagery, isn't that much better, just being higher-res makes it more tolerable.

If you think the imagery is bad on Google, try! Yahoo! Maps!. ;-)

Under the government's OpenData initiative, you could request tasking a GR4A to spend a couple of days over LFA14. E Schmidt could then petition his buddy @#10 for access.

For an alternative date set, if you can tolerate their f*ckwittedly intrusive watermarking, try -

http://magic.defra.gov.uk/MagicMap.aspx

For a laugh/see the effects of oblique reprojection, go to http://binged.it/145lueX

its Bing's "Aerial Detailed View" of Kyle of Lochalsh pier, @ 100ft zoom. Observe the open-hatched "banana boat". Switch to "Aerial Bird's Eye View", then "Rotate Right" through 360 degrees.

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Re: Google lightens the image to reduce detail

Further complicated by the fact that Scotland only appears once every 100years

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Let's assume a few things here

1) I am an evil minded terrorist/super-villain

2) I can amass enough people/equipment to make a viable assault on the G8 summit

3) I can do all this in total secrecy without tipping off the CIA etc.

Am I going to be thwarted by Google erasing some pictures? Err...no. Maybe I'll just go and buy, I dunno, a paper map! Or use one of my super-secrect-deepthroat-agents to procure detailed terrain info. Or any number of other things.

This is has security-purely-for-looks all over it.

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Happy

Yup ... where is Eadon

I too am waiting for some Microsoft dig from Eadon.

Is he on holiday or something?

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Re: Yup ... where is Eadon

Unlikely. He was being retarded about Typescript earlier.

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Just move your street view man onto the road shadow and miraculously the building appear - Bad google!

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'Perhaps the Google pic is ... from the future of the site, rather than the past'

.....Or here's an alternative twist on that. With special thanks to the NSA / Google .... Welcome to North Korea net censorship folks. Our 'Great Leaders' have decided it isn’t necessary for you to know where the elite are meeting….

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Political mapping

Neither mapper has updated sat views of US Northeast after Hurricane Sandy for political reasons.

Eastern New Jersey looks like clouds were daubed in with a sponge. GPS will have you swimming as well.

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for the record

if google make the bermuda triangle dissappear for April Fools day next year, it's because i told them to. ok?

just putting it out there...

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Hysterical data

Google did not do a very thorough job! You only have use Google Earth to View Historical Imagery to see that the complex was indeed here (in black and white) in the image data 3/7/2010 (7 March).

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FAIL

Ironic really because the G8 leaders are all over the resorts Facebook page.

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Outdated aerial imagery

I've found that much UK Google aerial imagery is over 5 years old, which is a great shame as there are many missing roads and developments, but on the other hand, it is completely free.

I'm surprised that Google doesn't create its own aerial imagery, and sell some of it to commercial interests.

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Re: Outdated aerial imagery

I've found that much UK Google aerial imagery is over 10 years old

Corrected that for you.

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