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Australians fell prey to online scams to the tune of around $AUD93.5 million in 2012, and reported nearly 84,000 “scam-related contacts” to the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC). The Commission has just released the results of its 2012 report on scam activity, published as part of Australia's National …

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Anonymous Coward

Not surprising, they pay more for goods as well.

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Meh

So so we

So do we in the UK, it's called being a captive audience on an island.

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Not gullible

Imagine a person, who has never seen a mobile phone, seen a television, transport pulled by anything other than a horse, electricity, the light bulb etc, an aeroplane...

Imagine the look on that persons face as he discovers these things for the first time...

Well that's the 'Aussie Look' when they use technology.

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Value comparisons

The number if dollars is a rather poor comparison for that reason, since the conversion factor doesn't include relative cost of products. To make those comparisons there needs to be a standard measure available in both places, ( such as the cost of a BigMac).

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Impossible

No one is dumber than many Americans who are online. You can sell them ocean front property in Arizona while they are sending thousands of dollars to some long lost relative who is stuck in a foreign country and needs some money to get back home. It's just amazing how dumb people really are.

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More Gullible?

The median dollar loss per case in the US was reported as US$600, in Aus in the range $A100-$A499. How does that make Australians more gullible? Not much difference as far as I can see.

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Re: More Gullible?

More people per head of population falling for these scams.

Personally I wonder the break up of stupid scams verses sneaky scams (Nigerian dictator vrs Westpac email)

I see a lot of emails pretending to be Telstra, Westpac, CommBank etc. I wonder how many Australians fall for these as opposed to distant relative dying and leaving you millions.

We Australian have a smaller banking group so it's an easier target than US banks.

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Re: More Gullible?

As a fraction of disposable income the US median of US$600 will probably be equivalent to whatever the AUS median is.

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Looked at another way ...

"Australians do, however, appear to be more gullible than Americans"

Or you could take the view that most Americans either don't know where Nigeria is or have already maxed out their credit cards and thus the scam is denied ...

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Re: Gullible as a Windows buyer

Oh Eadon, give it a rest.

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Re: Gullible as a Windows buyer

"They're twice as likely to use Windows then, when Linux is free from snooping and is, well, free."

You don't say. Change the record FFS

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meanwhile in a parallel universe lacking MS

Eadon sits quietly disconsolate in his flying car,

wondering why he feels empty time dragging by.

He sighs. Then inspiration strikes and brightening

up he flies over to the Ubuntu hovercity and

spraypaints on the roof "Even Teletubbies use

something more grown-up! UBUNTU FAIL!!"

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Re: Gullible as a Windows buyer

This has taken my interest, how is Linux free of snooping exactly?

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Re: Gullible as a Windows buyer

It's not Eadon's fault.

Somebody rang him up once and told him that his Windows PC was insecure. He paid them to fix it and then someone else rang him up a few days later to tell him that his Windows PC was insecure.

This has now happened many times. The only possible explanation is that Windows is so inherently insecure that fixing it only lasts about a week.

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Re: Gullible as a Windows buyer

Other than the NSA wrote the main kernel security system and hardly anyone understands it properly.

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Re: Gullible as a Windows buyer...Oh Eadon, give it a rest.

@Fatman and @Eadon.

You are both exactly the reason why average Joe doesn't want to use Linux... sat in your ivory towers of technical brilliance, surrounded by the 'community' who can do and build anything, bug free with impenetrable security. Linux - a platform so amazing only those blessed with the skill and the ability to see that windblows/doze/mickysoft/M$ <lost interest...> are for the weak and stupid.

I am a avid windows user, both at work and home, but I also have a Linux install for playing about with, you both make me want to wipe that machine and put windows back on it, because if you are what it means to be a Linux user, I don't want to be one.

btw - looking forward to 2018 when the major Linux distros introduce the ribbon into their office wannabes and TIFKAM becomes the new interface.

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Re: Gullible as a Windows buyer...Oh Eadon, give it a rest.

You honestly mean that you'd wipe your machine of Linux just because someone else you don't even know is obnoxious? Go ahead, we don't want the gullible on our platform.

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Had the bog-standard phone scammer just last night

They were so adamant that I had a Windows PC, they insisted I did. I said I didn't have any PC, she said (almost screamed) "You are a liar!"

I asked her if she knew she was scamming people or whether she was just a phone-drone. She was very upset by this and said that I was a liar again, ergo: she was in on it.

I suggested that ringing people up and calling them a liar wasn't the best strategy.

I politely recommended that she call her employer a bastard, ....she hung up.

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Re: Had the bog-standard phone scammer just last night

I like saying "Does your mother know what you do for a living? Do you say 'Hi, mum, I've got a job as a scammer and a thief and I like to con people out of money'? Do you think she'll be proud of you and say to her friends 'My child is a crook!'? Hello...? Helloooo.....!" :-)'

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Re: Had the bog-standard phone scammer just last night

Well it seems to have worked for Mrs. Kray. What's your point'?

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Holmes

Hello! I'm a criminal going to rob you! Here's my email address!

Doesn't this kind of thing amaze you? Isn't this the sort of problem that should have been solved many years ago? I'm a criminal, but just ignore me while I rob someone else!

Solution hint: Lots of people hate spam, but there are only a very few precious suckers who feed the spams.

Suggestion: Give us tools to get between the spammers and their victims. If a tiny percentage wanted to help, the suckers would be completely overwhelmed--and the spammers would get no money.

I'm not suggesting the spammers would become decent human beings. However if you cut off their money, they will move under other less visible rocks.

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RE: Re: Hello! I'm a criminal going to rob you! Here's my email address!

However if you cut off their money, they will move under other less visible rocks heads, they will disappear from the gene pool.

FTFY.

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Re: Had the bog-standard phone scammer just last night

I play along as the dumb user and string them along as long as I can.

Then I ask them stupid questions (where's the "any" key) till they get the shits and hang up themselves.

I do the same with the religious nuts at the local shopping mall, if they see me again (they're there every sunday) they actively avoid me, knowing either they're not getting any money out of me, or I'm crazy - I'm OK with either. :-)

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Who's gullible?

We're far too quick to swallow these fantasy figures, banged out ten a penny by those who usually have an interest one way or another in them being either very large or very small. Do aussies really lose 93.5 million, or is that just hot air to justify a budget increase (in the UK a budget increase and an ongoing lack of action)? It's high time someone took a sample of these often unbelievable claims and gave them a proper audit. In the case of this announcement, I can imagine all sorts of reasons individuals reporting fraud would inflate the amounts taken.

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The latest

Is a phishing email claiming to be from the Australian Tax Office, claiming there is a problem with the tax return I just lodged, and to "click here" to fix it up.

Only problem, is nobody will be lodging their tax return for another few weeks yet.

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According to an EU directive, the word "gullible" is being removed from dictionaries because it causes offence.

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Joke

Ah - you mean that gullible doesn't travel...

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Social Engineering Scams work best

And I can prove this - all you need to do is register on my website for more info

*credit card required

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WTF?

me no good at math , please help

ok so 4AUD per person x 7bil is 28 billion . I agree

525billion USD \ 1/3 billion people is 1.66USD? I disagree

Theres a 3rd of a billion people in the US so to lose 525 billion between them i make it $175 each.

I fully accept i could be incorrect - i'd just like to know where

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Re: me no good at math , please help

the article appears to be in error

though the article mentions $525 billion, the linked pdf specifies 525 million

that said, 525B divided by 1/3B is not 175...

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Re: me no good at math , please help

dammit. decimal point escaped again!

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'Australians twice as gullible as Americans'

This surprises me if only because of the sheer amount of information on Americans that exists on the net. I don't know why but I've always been especially careful. ID theft has been around a long time and although I've never been a victim, I'm very conscious of it unlike some of my fellow countrymen. I'm a strong consumer advocate, so maybe that's it.

Anyway I recently found a host of my personal details on Pipl.com and other privacy scraping sites. It was a nasty surprise, as in one case the details included an old FB profile that was always non-public and had been deleted, and in a second case my name was tied to a PO Box address that had only ever been used for personal correspondence...

In the latter case the US Postal Service must have sold my details or disclosed them without asking me, which I didn't think they were allowed to do! In the former case FB must have had a leak i.e. exposed pages in an botched update, or deliberately exposed data for unknown reasons, as the account was never hacked and wasn't so easily crackable.

In general all my family and friends are clueless about their privacy. They give out their personal details all day long to anyone. With such a treasure trove of freely available data on the internet, it must be easy to orchestrate a targeted well thought out online scam, So personally I'm amazed Americans aren't hit hardest versus Australians.....

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Utility

@fatman

Er. For the vast majority of people a computer IS a utility. It's there to be used for typing letters, sending emails, typing trivialities on Twitter, doing the shopping and so on.

Only a tiny minority use it as a hobby/use Linux.

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