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WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has claimed that Google is tied up in a conspiracy stretching up to the very highest levels of American government. Addressing the 19th International Symposium on Electronic Art via live video link on Thursday, the pale blond hacker claimed that Google was a US government "echo". For the first …

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Re: Die Julian...

Whilst I am rather bored of this David Icke wannabe I cannot wish him death. That's a bit nasty......

But I do want him extradited so that we can all move on.

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In Soviet Anglo-America

People dies you.

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@Eadon

Pearls of wisdom from El Reg's head Arse.

And no kid...I am the LAST person on the planet to have ANYTHING to do with politics.

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Re: Die Julian...

How about you instead?

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I guess the JA Fan Club is out in force today. Sensitive lot you all are.

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"excentric rogues"

As in rogues who used to be at the centre of things?

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@ItsNotMe

"I am the LAST person on the planet to have ANYTHING to do with politics."

Perhaps not but you are a bit of a knob for wishing death upon a fellow human being.

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Re: Die Julian...

"The Julian"?

(In German, to paraphrase Sideshow Bob)

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Re: In German

That would be "Der Julian", unless he's taken rather extreme measures to confound the sex-crime claims.

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Re: In German

We can let Matt Groening off with that one; perhaps it was deliberate.

As for JA, who knows? Some other commentard in another Assange article suggested that he was munching on the Ferrero Rochers in the embassy. If that were the case, would he be plotting an escape by passing himself off as Kim Dotcom?

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Re: Die Julian...

The fact that this comment was published at all is yet another disgraceful indictment against the Register. The torrent of childish, crude US propaganda battering the pages of this once-great site is beginning to make me shit blood. Fuck this site.

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Re: Die Julian... - SAYS NSA

Surely, Eadon, being a Google shill and an Assange apologist are now somewhat contradictory position? How will you sponsor react...?

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MY...my...my

Hasn't El Reg's Moderator grown a rather thin skin. Die too harsh a word for you sweety? People can use all sorts of pejoratives here, use profanity, but your tender eyes can't take this? Take your skirt off darling.

After all the tripe other commentards post here...and just so you know...I do it just to see how many chains I can pull...obviously a lot...the word die gets your collective knickers in a wad? What a joke. ROTFLMAO.

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"Whilst I am rather bored of this David Icke wannabe I cannot wish him death. That's a bit nasty......

But I do want him extradited so that we can all move on."

Yeah, and it's strange that he makes out/conflates the EAW/Swedish CJS with auto extradition to the US, which is not possible under the EAW legislation; does it pay him to make out that the US is waiting in the wings, desperate to try the hard/impossible way to extradite him, when the Swedes have already said to the US 'if you want him we'll let you have first go', it being that the UK will accommodate such a request?

Given the truth of the matter, that it would be easier for the US to accept the Swedish offer and extradite him from the UK, which is far from Assange's febrile imagination, I can't help thinking that St. Jules is in fact a tad rapey, and fears the consequence of being tried in the Swedish jurisdiction; he's made out that the Swedes have a banana republic standard of justice; he's come out with the covert US extradition argument; his lawyer claimed that he'd not heard from the Swedish police, and then had to recant in a UK court [...] the list of bogus claims made by St. Jules is boring and long and meanwhile, back at the ranch, Julie's fiscal dealings include the advance on a book which he kept, after withdrawing cooperation and claiming the publisher had no right to go ahead, the pay wall plan, the £80,000 salary, and other proposed fiscal dealings that currently evade my memory search mechanism... ...this boy is milking everything in sight, and *still* everyone who disagrees with him is wrong. I have heard of this sort of thing in the past.

Time to go Julie, you've been convicted on 17 counts and have an infraction of UK bail law against you, you are a criminal again and you have to face the music. No asylum is possible because you broke UK law to get to the embassy in which you reside, now GO and face the music instead of behaving like a frigging child in the playground. The adults want to hold you to account.

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Sorry can anyone confirm to me exactly what kind of complexion and hair colour Julian Assange has? This article didn't quite make it clear enough...

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Last time I checked

He was actually grey...

His blond hair went away the second he started facing pressure on all of this.

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What about 'downstairs'

*vomiting face*

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systematic failures

St. Assange orated: "But as Google dealt with the big bad world, it leaned very heavily on the State Department and entered into its systems".

Quite right. But one level of abstraction higher and the "problem" lies more in the BIG aspect and the larger scale systematic functioning of both. Assange explores these "man vs machine" dichotomies but it would be wise not to focus too much on just these two exponents "du jour". The problem, ultimately is way more systematic/

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Too true

Assange may indeed be a bit of a conspiracy theorist. But you don't have to be a nutter to appreciate the intimate connection between economic power and political power. This is especially true of the modern US government, which exists primarily to serve the interests of commercial interests with the most money. But it is also true of nearly all modern governments elsewhere in the world and, indeed, throughout history; and only a naive idealist would suggest otherwise. Since politicians and corporations alike want to expand this profitable relationship while keeping it as quiet as possible, unpleasant people like Assange are valuable: until the extent of the problem is exposed, it won't even get discussed, let alone reformed.

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you don't have to be a nutter to appreciate the intimate connection between economic power and political power.

You also don't have to be a nutter to see how close Obama is to Google. He pretty much has to beat through a crowd of oompah-loompahs with a baseball bat to get to his desk.

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If 'only a naive idealist would suggest otherwise', what would be the bloody secret?

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I think that most American citizens realise that their government is uncomfortably cozy with big money, but the secret (indeed, the devil) is in the details. My cynical assertion is simply that it is naive to imagine that Lincoln's words 150 years ago, "of the people, by the people, for the people", have any true meaning in 21st century American government.

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Re: Too true

Upvote for the image of a President beating up oompa loompas with a baseball bat in his office.

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Hey, it's progress! Dick Cheney used to beat up oompa-loompas and THEN go to his desk!

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Cut him some slack...

He didn't get famous for being blond (as opposed to others) and he greatly contributed to the international discussion about internet freedom versus government control. His personality may not suit the article author or the commentards, but he should be taken a bit more seriously.

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Re: Cut him some slack...

...he should be taken a bit more seriously.

No, he shouldn't, he takes himself far too seriously already.

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"His personality may not suit the article author or the commentards, but he should be taken a bit more seriously."

Indeed. All convicts ought to be taken seriously, and he has been convicted on 17 counts for offences related to the Manning imbroglio. As to the Swedish case, I will not be surprised if he is found guilty. It is extremely unlikely for offenders to have profiles that focus exclusively on the index offence, and Assange's behaviour in respect of the women friends of journalists among many other indicators makes me think hard. The other behaviours? Look at his interactions with women and how he recruits them to his cause, even getting them to stand bail and then letting them down... ...that said, he's also let a lot of others down, though, whilst the rule following behaviours and trustworthiness are salient, the bail angle is not my main contention.

I find myself wondering; how many times will Julian Assange have to be convicted, and on how many accounts, before the scales fall from his camp followers' eyes? The pay wall affair, the advance from a publisher whom he spurned, the massive salary and a more recent fiscal indicator in the form of a demand for one million for an interview... ...this man shows no sign of being trustworthy and, IMNSVHO, every sign of being untrustworthy/perfidious.

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the pale blond hacker skiddy

FTFY

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Stop right there.

Assange was never a script kiddie. He predates downloading scripts to do your leet haxoring or whatever /b/ is calling it this week by at least ten years.

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Use NSA Linux?

Go ahead, lead the way. While you're at it use NSA Android on your phone.

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Re: Use NSA Linux?

I can download the Android source code, inspect it for spyware, modify it to remove it if I wish, compile it and put it on my phone

That you can is not the point. Have you actually done this? No? In that case, it's pretty much immaterial what you run, unless you really want to tell me that the *ability* of an unknown, untrusted 3rd party to look at the code is somehow evidence that said 3rd party will then fix it. That makes that code just as problematic as proprietary code, with the difference that that "open" code is provided by an entity that makes massive cash off invading privacy on a scale not seen before.

Do you feel lucky? I don't.

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"What I can do with Android, however, which I cannot do with iOS or Blackberry or Win Phone 8 - this: I can download the Android source code, inspect it for spyware, modify it to remove it if I wish, compile it and put it on my phone."

Can you really now?

According to the Android website (link to android.com) the current version is 4.2, codename "Jellybean".

But according to the Android developer site (link to source.android.com) the most recent version of the source repository is 4.1.

That strikes me as a bit odd, considering that 4.2 has been released almost one year ago.

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Re: US megacorps in league with US Govt SHOCK @Eadon 14:22

"I've been saying all along that closed source operating systems cannot be trusted (let alone cloud services such as search and so on). Was I being paranoid? Perhaps but I was right! (As ALWAYS)."

Eadon, lots of people were saying such things a long time before you jumped in with your megaphone. Claiming credit for yourself is plagiarism. But I finally realised your problem, nicely illustrated by the little snippet I've quoted. Claims you've been warning people? Shouting all the time? Bit of a messiah complex there, it seems. Have you tried walking up and down Oxford Street with a sandwich board? You'd achieve more there, believe me.

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It takes time to remove the NSA packages.

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Re: US megacorps in league with US Govt SHOCK

Well, the Snowden thing was definitely a major, direct, nuclear hit into the cloud camp. If Ballmer pulled that one off, I'll tip my hat to him. It would prove he is at least a great schemer, now that he managed to remove windows from "Windows 8".

Let's continue to wear the proverbial metal foil headware and think of how a multi-billionare could pull that off. Maybe stuffing two billions into and enterprise in a specialist med country under the condition that they make one guy to defect "for reasons of conscience".

It would certainly be worth every single cent spent, as Google Docs threatens the nice Office franchise that rakes in several billions every single year. Don't count out MS, they are a cornered 5 Metagton Gorilla and they have the most to lose from the cloud.

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"What I can do with Android, however, which I cannot do with iOS or Blackberry or Win Phone 8 - this: I can download the Android source code, inspect it for spyware, modify it to remove it if I wish, compile it and put it on my phone.

So... You check every piece of code to make sure there are no backdoors? Of course, then you compile the code natively just in case the distributed binary doesn't match the source?

Most of the Linux distrubutions are binary only - sure, you can get 'the source' from somewhere, but the distribution, and any third party ports are binary.

Going by your own logic, that is a LINUX FAIL RIGHT THERE (caps for Eadonisity)

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Re: @Eadon

>That strikes me as a bit odd, considering that 4.2 has been released almost one year ago.

4.2 source was published last November...you'll find the current version in the 'android-4.2.2_r1' branch or by typing 4.2 source code into the small box with a magnifying glass on the web page you posted a link to.

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@Jamie Jones "Most of the Linux distrubutions are binary only - sure, you can get 'the source' from somewhere, but the distribution, and any third party ports are binary."

"You're a clueless Windows user, obviously. Go and look up GPL."

LOL, you've upvoted and replied to many of my pro-unix posts in the past, but this shows you are clearly memory deficient as well as brain deficient.

I know enough about the GPL, thank-you - enough to personally avoid it. (The fact it attracts fanboi freaks is another reason)

So tell me where I'm wrong, Mr Linux. As I said, the source is available, but all linux installations I've seen (and there are many) were built with apt-get (and their equivalent) and NOT apt-get source / apg-get build etc.

Similarly, the base OS is generally installed from binaries, not from locally compiled source.

So, quite simply, the 'default' method of package and OS install for most people does not compile or even download the source files.

This is why your constant banging on about the source code being available is a fools false sense of security.

This has sod all to do with the GPL, so maybe you should re-read your GPL bible.

Incidentally, this isn't an attack on Linux, but on the people who bang on about "the source code is available" as some sort of holy-grail, and yet then proceed to blindly install binary packages made by a third party.

I and others have said before, your over the top evangelism is doing Linux no favours. I'm just glad you aren't a fan of the main OS that I use and develop for.

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Re: Use NSA Linux?

"...compile it..."

... and there lies the rub. Compile it with what? Obviously, the compiler. And where did you get this compiler from? A safe, reputable open source. Which means it couldn't possibly have been hacked. And anyway, you can always compile the compiler yourself, to make absolutely sure there are no hidden tricks. Hmmm, compile it... with... er, the compiler...

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Re: Use NSA Linux?

"... and there lies the rub. Compile it with what? "

Exactly!

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Wrongdoing?

"The Chocolate Factory spent $18.2m on Washington lobbyists last year, more than any other tech firm. Of course, that's not evidence of any wrongdoing."

It may not be legal wrongdoing, but moral wrongdoing? Most definitely - "Don't be evil" my foot! If they can't see that buying political influence is wrong they really need to go back to school.

But then the entire US political and judicial system is morally bankrupt, so not really surprising.

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It's not a conspiracy

That would require secrecy, whereas anybody who's had a look knows that Google was started off by a seed fund given by "venture capitalists" owned by US.gov that were looking for ways in which the private sector could be co-opted to help with information gathering.

And this is news because AssangeTM said it? Well, I guess people could do with a reminder.

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Julian Assange: Google's just an arm of US government

Google: Julian Assange is just an arm of an alternative reality

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