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Shock, horror, scandal! America's NSA secretly took data from my website for its fiendish PRISM web-snooping project - and it ended up blasted all over the internet! Top-secret slides detailing the massive electronic surveillance programme were leaked last week by ex-CIA techie Edward Snowden. A close inspection of the …

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Too bloody right!

Too many people think photographer's images are free just because they're on "da web"!

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Re: Too bloody right!

Well why not, isn't that the excuse the US and UK governments are using for collecting your data?

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Re: Too bloody right!

put a watermark on it if you want to hoard it, you image miser!

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"put a watermark on it if you want to hoard it, you image miser!"

I see, it's the victim's fault. You mean like the classic, "She shouldn't have worn that short skirt!" defence?

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Re: Too bloody right!

"I see, it's the victim's fault. You mean like the classic, "She shouldn't have worn that short skirt!" defence?"

Very good point - round here it's usually "If they're running Windows/have an unsecured wireless point they deserve anything bad that happens to them." Hope your other upvoters aren't guilty of that little bit of hypocrisy ...

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Great coincidence...

An article about an NSA project. The advert runs "Office 2013: A Breakthrough In Productivity".

Productivity for whom?

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Caught bang to rights

Blatant copyright violation.

You have no choice. You must send in Kim Dotcom to take down all NSA sites, confiscate all their data, apply for extradition of General Keith Alexander, and then... errr... find out if what you did was legal.

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Re: Caught bang to rights

There is a really good firm called Prenda Law who will sort this out. Probably Pro Bono as they need the cash.

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Re: Caught bang to rights

It'll be Mission Kim Possible! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tahF3jhU0Vk

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DCMA Takedown

Get all of the PRISM servers taken offline until they pony up for the rights to use it, or immediate removal of the artwork with compensation for having used it already.

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Re: DCMA Takedown

I think it'd be funny to DCMA the spooks. Let's see Obama squirm his way out of that one. Yes they are watching, and no they don't appear to care much about other people's rights (but, then, isn't that the origin of this problem?).

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Companies have had their servers taken away for scrutiny after lesser claims of copyright theft. Doable with the DoD? Could see someone trying to walk out of there with a box of servers.

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"Get all of the PRISM servers taken offline until they pony up for the rights to use it, or immediate removal of the artwork with compensation for having used it already."

Good luck with that.

Laws aren't there to give the weak rights against the powerful; they are there to keep the weak in their place.

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aggravated copyright violation

Looks like aggravated copyright violation to me - lengthy prison sentences for all NSA top brass are really unavoidable, I fear.

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Re: aggravated copyright violation

But probably, like bankers, they are considered too important to jail by the DoJ!

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But probably, like bankers, they are considered too important to jail by the DoJ!

Not if the MAFIAA have their way! hook or by crook NSA staff will see the inside of a jail cell.

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But probably, like bankers, they are considered too important to jail by the DoJ!

The RIAA will soon get that changed, what with the TPP anti piracy pact or whatever it's called. Which would be like a Super SOPA, Obama appointed the heads of the DoJ to RIAA lawyers so it isn't far fetched to see them make exceptions to their 'retroactive immunity' and throw them in the slammer.

That said, if the immunity does hold strong against that, the RIAA would just bombard record fines on them, $450.000.00 per infringement will quickly send that NSA budget into deep red, but not to worry, the president would just give them more and more to spy on everyone with.

Maybe the NSA is the goldmine the RIAA were looking for.

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Re: aggravated copyright violation

>>"Looks like aggravated copyright violation to me - lengthy prison sentences for all NSA top brass are really unavoidable, I fear."

Though who most violated the copyright?

The person who used it for an internal slideshow, the person who leaked it, or the media who publish stuff without giving a damn where it came from "Someone gave it to us for nothing, so it must be OK"?

If someone stole your homemade porn of you climaxing to a cry of "Yabba Dabba Doo" and published it on Youtube, should it really be you who Hanna-Barbera come looking for?

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Surely number 4 of the T&C takes precedence

"Don't use our stuff to deceive or mislead others"

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Shurely not THE Adam Hart-Davis?

Of BBC TV presenting fame?

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Yup, it appears to be he http://www.hd.org. Now, that wasn't hard to find was it?

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Re: Shurely not THE Adam Hart-Davis?

Lets examine the evidence:

"Look familiar? … prism photo snapped by former Tomorrow's World presenter Adam Hart-Davis (used with permission, full source)"

hmm.. still inconclusive?

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Re: Shurely not THE Adam Hart-Davis?

I once emailed him saying how much my family like watching the Local Heroes show he presented, and got a nice reply back from him, though I don't remember exactly what he said because that was about 14 years ago...

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In addition to a fee

The copyright owner of the picture should be allowed full unfettered access to the site, to check for any more of his work of course.

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The copyright owner of the picture should be allowed full unfettered access to the site

Oh yes, definitely. And their databases. After all, you must establish beyond reasonable doubt just how far this copyright violation goes. Epic..

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Quite the contrary

I would try to get yourself firmly on their watch list if I were you. You will experience a massively more reliable internet service because all your data will be re-routed via the NSA's fast and efficient servers instead of whatever random pathway of least cost your ISP usually uses.

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Finally . .

. . . a use for patent and rights trolling firms.

Set the bastards loose on NSA .

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"Set the bastards loose on NSA ."

Unfortunately, that would be like unleashing a pack of dachshunds on a T Rex.

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"Unfortunately, that would be like unleashing a pack of dachshunds on a T Rex."

Replace trolling firms with the MPAA and Hollywood, the T-Rex would soon fall.

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Special interest from the NSA for a while?

Could be useful for generating page hits, got advertising on your site?

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Bust Em a la Dotcom

Send in the choppers and guns then give them a thorough body search to make sure they are not hiding any hidden copyright infringement, after all nothing to hide, nothing to fear.

However we will be using the man with the largest hands in Britain to conduct the body searches :)

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Re: Bust Em a la Dotcom

"However we will be using the man with the largest hands in Britain to conduct the body searches :)"

Don't forget that the person doing the cavity search needs to wear protective gloves. Please, allow me to suggest the ones with a sandpaper like texture. Workers safety is of the essence!

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Re: Gloves

I suggest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4xw8dJkicI

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Thanks for the laugh

OK, this made my day. Quality..

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ahem...

To be fair to the NSA, this web site does appear to offer up the images for free if you check the home page:

http://gallery.hd.org/

"Hi: Welcome to the Gallery!

FREE for your Website, PC and Projects!"

And the prism photo is just underneath.

And hopefully if I suck up to the NSA a bit, they'll cut me some slack and not tell the wife what I was up to on the internet when she was shopping yesterday.

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Um, from the article: "the original image is hosted on my online gallery for free-to-use pics, although there are caveats (such as a requirement to credit and link to us)".

IOW, the gallery to which you're referring belongs to the author of this article, and the NSA have failed to adhere to their terms.

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NSA have no sense of humor

they allegedly slapped a copyright take down notice on a US student who started to offer online T-shirt & coffee mug sales based on the PRISM technologies logo. sigh...

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Re: NSA have no sense of humor

If you've got references, that's the one the author of this post can use to go after them on!

Technically the copies the NSA has aren't copyrighted and aren't published, they are secret. So their use of the logo while ill advised, can slip through on a hyper-technicality. That is, until they actually assert a copyright over it. Once they've done that it's game, set, and match to the original copyright holder.

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Re: NSA have no sense of humor

Here as well as numerous other news sites.

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Ummmm...the videos "a friend" downloaded off bittorrent were for private, non-commercial use within his own home. Apparently, that's still illegal.

//Sauce for the goose, etc.

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Re: NSA have no sense of humor - Lawsuit options

At least in the US, copyright is just that; by having *copied* the image at all (even if not for publication) and not following the terms, they've violated, at least, the terms the copyright holder set forth. I believe that makes them liable for infringement, although conflicting messages on the website weaken the claim. Still, I'd be asking the EFF and/or ACLU if they were interested in using the suit somehow. I imagine it could be a useful tool in their kit, and a generous donation by the author to allow them either to represent him, or, in the extreme, to transfer ownership of the copyright.

Not sure how all that works when crossing the pond, though, and IANAL.

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One last thing.

They're still public domain materials, as works of the government or persons working for the government carrying out their official duties. Being secret doesn't change that, and especially doesn't affect copyright violations. Remember, all classified material becomes declassified after 50 years. It belongs in the public domain, and without a very substantial national interest in keeping it secret, the public has a right to it (hence it enters the 'public domain').

At least, that's my guess.

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Presumably not having a sense of humour is part of the job description for the NSA.

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If you have not already, I would recommend investing in a secure VPN or the TOR Browser Bundle.

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Wow that HD.ORG website

It's just as bad as the NSA Slides.

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The usual suspects.

Bytes 1274 to 1320 of http://regmedia.co.uk/2013/06/12/prism_slide.jpg (the first picture of the post) read

"Copyright 2007 Apple Inc., all rights reserved."

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Obviously the NSA did a google image search...had a look for identifying metadata based on no criteria beyond who knows what...and used.

It is perfectly legal after all.

You can thank the Act of Instagramming 2013 for that...

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Due dilligence

Stick the URL of the image in tineye and you get 5 results including a few multiple matches for http://gallery.hd.org. Now it's not beyond the realms of impossiblilty to ask and find out whether one of those five own the copyright or if it needs further investigation

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