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A Microsoft-hosted demonstration of the XBOX Game “Killer Instinct” at the E3 expo has come in for criticism for including allusions to rape. The incident has made it to YouTube and we've embedded it below. If you can't bring yourself to watch, the video shows the on-screen demo of the game and offers audio of the banter …

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Mushroom

insanity is political correctness

The appearance of sleazy attitude is not the reality. People playing games talk all kinds of trash. This one is offensive only to those who define themselves by their concern for political bullshit. Granted, said B.S. often is all that stands between us and far worse things. Even so, those who see no difference between what people believe or think or say and what they do, well they ought to STFU as they are crazy by definition.

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Madness

There is always someone who will jump onto the political correctness bandwagon, someone who will find offence in some comment or situation.

These are people who just go out of their way to find offence in some form or another without looking into the context of the situation.

While such things should never be condoned the rule of common sense should be applied, but unfortunately the PC thought police are now firmly established.

Yesterday I heard a woman speaking on Radio 4 who wanted to take the Bank of England to court for not having enough women represented on the back of bank notes. Her tone, the way she made her point did her no favours.

There are more important things to protest in this world.

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Re: Madness

I don't suppose anyone bothered to point out there's a woman on every bank note printed since 1953?

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Re: Madness

I always like to imagine what really goes in "behind the scenes" in these PC peoples lifes.

it reminds me of Isabelle Hubert in the piano teacher. Up front everything was perfect but behind the scenes she was ever so slightly "naughty"..... ( PS : Yes I know that the character role was played as someone mentally disturbed but that is exactly my point).

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There's no such thing as 'offensive language'.

Only language "offensive to me". If you're offended by words, get the fuck off of my planet.

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Re: There's no such thing as 'offensive language'.

It's not YOUR planet, it belongs to all of us, you selfish kiddie fiddling wank stain.....

Get the point yet?

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Re: There's no such thing as 'offensive language'.

That's you reported to the Irish Internet Police, sonny

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Re: There's no such thing as 'offensive language'.

Very comment statement there. The problem is that words have meanings, and various swear words convey different levels of emotion. The offense is not taken simply in using certain words, issue is taken with the context that is conveyed.

If the word is meaningless, then stop wasting my time with it.

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Re: Forget innuendo, XBox is all about DRM rape

Way to abuse and devalue the word 'rape', Eadon.

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Re: Forget innuendo, XBox is all about DRM rape

It is already devalued by the Swedish. (Ultimate feminist state).

They have defined it to be all sorts of things. (Hence the Assange thing).

The old definition was at least clearer before. (Sex by force with someone not your wife).

Regretting it afterwards or sex by surprise is not rape.

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Re: Forget innuendo, XBox is all about DRM rape

The old definition was at least clearer before. (Sex by force with someone not your wife).

Blimey - so forcing a woman to have sex was fine as long as she was your wife? I'm glad they changed that bit of the law then. As for "sex by surprise" surely that's how all rapes start?

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Re: Forget innuendo, XBox is all about DRM rape

Rape does have multiple meanings,

From a dictionary, "an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation", which makes it valid to use for this purpose.. remember the English language is varied and powerful, but I understand kids today can barely speak it..

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Re: Forget innuendo, XBox is all about DRM rape

>Blimey - so forcing a woman to have sex was fine as long as she was your wife? I'm glad they changed that bit of the law then.

Rape within marriage was criminalised in the UK by a decision of the House of Lords. In 1991.

Its still very much a live discussion in some parts of the world - I recently saw an interview with a Ugandan woman, who said she thought the concept of a husband committing a crime of raping his wife was ridiculous. She had consented to sex at his will she she married him in her view.

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Re: Forget innuendo, XBox is all about DRM rape

That's the original definition, yes.

I know a young woman who is adamant that rape is not possible in a marriage, and a woman should submit.

No, she wasn't wild and kinky, she was shy and innocent. Naïve, really.

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@h3

'The old definition was at least clearer before. (Sex by force with someone not your wife).'

The rape of a person requires that there is no consent, nor a belief of consent, in addition to the physical act. There is nothing in the law that explicitly states that only a man can commit rape.

Until 1991, Marriage was considered to grant consent, both to the husband and to the wife, so there could be no rape between a married couple.

Until 2001rape required the involvement of at least one man and one woman. Since 2001, rape requires the presence of a man and at least one other.

Also until 2001 it was considered to be nearly impossible to rape a man as an erection was considered to be an indication of consent as not having an erection would make penetration near impossible to achieve. I have not yet seen this corrected, although I suspect it has been considering the availability of things like Viagra.

'Surprise sex', or 'Sex by Surprise', can still be classified as rape if there was no evidence that the victim had given or intended to give consent, as there would be no grounds for the accused to claim there was a belief of consent. 'Surprise sex' is therefor considered a euphemism for rape.

Regretting having sex after the event still remains consensual at the time of the act, so no claim of rape can be considered.

I hope this clarifies things a little. You can look up the law on rape, of cause, and look into the various campaigns to get the law changed. Some of those changes even make sense.

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Re: @h3

>Blimey - so forcing a woman to have sex was fine as long as she was your wife?

h3 didn't say that. h3 was just talking about the old definition of the word in a legal context, and made no mention of whether or not it was correct. The fact that they mentioned it - thus drawing attention to how 'law' doesn't always mean 'justice' - suggests that h3 doesn't think it is fine to force your wife to have sex with you.

It used to be the case that a widow could not marry her dead husband's brother. Why? Because the bit about 'being one in the flesh' in Genesis was taken as meaning that husband and wife became just that- a widow would be committing incest by consummating her marriage with her dead husband's brother.

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Re: @h3

@Dave 126 - I was surprised about the older legal interpretation of rape, I didn't think for a minute that h3 thought marriage was consent.

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> 3 didn't say that.

Indeed: it would seem to me that h3 was talking about clarity rather than morality.

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That word, it doesn't mean the same things in certain countries

In the US, there's "statutory rape" which strangely covers consensual sex where one of the participants is under the age of consent. So there's a devalued use of the word. In Mexico, we call that "estupro" and thus the actual concept of rape isn't devalued.

And yes, up until recently, in most countries there was no such thing as marital rape. Interestingly, while laws have been fixed on these cases, female-on-male and female-on-female rapes are rarely prosecuted (or even considered as crimes); males trying to press rape charges on females will usually be laughed out of the police station. Sad but true.

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"as an erection was considered to be an indication of consent"

What the f0ck??? Matriarchal shit hole of a country??? Rape!!!

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WTF?

Nothing like a Daily Mail rant....

I watched the video and struggled to be interested, let alone wound up by what I was hearing... Do people really find that offensive? Then I guess I'd better slink back to my hole and think far more carefully before I speak.

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Re: Nothing like a Daily Mail rant....

It was a "fighting" game, in which characters attempt to exert power over each, and the human players are playing with the concept for fun. Even a board game like Monopoly is about imposing power over another person ("Rent!" "I can't pay"... What happens when the Iron makes the Dog bankrupt? Does the Dog find itself on the street, and turning to prostitution to avoid being sent to Battersea? Being subject to economic power can sometimes be as damaging to ones physical and mental health as being subject to physical power... both forms of power, alas, have been used innumerable times over the centuries to compel people to do things they rather wouldn't)

Without an imbalance of power, there couldn't be rape- it would just be consensual sex. So I can only assume it is the power that people find offensive, yet it is power that is at the core of so many games- so it is odd that people have to transpose the comments to another scenario in order to feel offended by it.

Games that make friends swear at each other (Worms, being the one I've played most recently) are fun, and are only good for the friendship - they are games! "Nice shot, you jammy f$%ing b$%tard!" Smiles.

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@Dave126 - Re: Nothing like a Daily Mail rant....

Erm, no! I don't think it would be fun that a friend of mine swears at me and I certainly wouldn't do that to him/her. It's something about mutual respect but that might be a little difficult for you to understand.

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eh?

If they think that was had they should try listening to what their kids are screaming at people on Xbox live...

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Re: eh?

*Bad.... Stupid auto correct!

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Yawn...

...waiting for Xbone 1 apology.

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Re: Yawn...

What? Xbone 1? That makes no sense.

It's Xbox One or Xbone. Nothing else is acceptable or makes sense.

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Colour me surprised

The angry basement dwellers on here see no problem with Microsoft's bro-dude culture. Enjoy your xbone and all it's DRM. That's a small price to pay for getting nothing but games geared towards insecure 13 year old boys.

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Re: Colour me surprised

I thought that was the market group for 99% of games?? Always has been.

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They're a real danger

The people who protested and forced this apology are a real thret to our freedom.

They are the new Western Taliban they will not rest until they have eroded out freedoms. They've already had an impact on what we can say not only in public, but in private in case we're being recorded.

It's time the rest of us stood up and said no more!

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Re: They're a real danger

The sort who think TV shows with gun violence are OK, especially reports showing kids of 8 down the local gun club blowing holes in targets, but show a nipple ( male or female! ) or a naked arse crack and someone blows a fuse and next thing there's a debate in the country's parliament about filth being shown to minors!

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Re: They're a real danger

Completely agree, I would rather my sons see nudity than violence on tv, nudity is not a problem, showing people killing each other is...

Although gun safety IS a good thing to teach kids, as its a good way to enforce discipline, and once a kid has a good separation between reality and fantasy, any violence they see should not effect them, it didn't harm me....

If the 'Janet Jackson Nipple' incident had happened in the UK, I hope we would have just laughed it off! (considering i've seen full frontal nudity on the 6 o'clock news, I am doubtful that it would have got more than a few letters to points of view!

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A Microsoft developer in the Linux Kernel?

Don't say things like that! Poor Eadon will be offended!

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Re: A Microsoft developer in the Linux Kernel?

No, no, it will be a relief for Eadon to find out the Microsoft developer role was to actually sabotage the Linux kernel. Let's not scare Eadon for no good reason!

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MS got beaten down by Sony yesterday and now this bad PR, things just going from bad to worse for MS right now. Shame.

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Its a joke about rape ffs

This is not funny, why are the posters above me trying to make some big issue out of their "lack of freedom"?

Much like the fat fuckers rioting in London last year, you need to grow up and use the brain a little bit more.

Then again, with the story content revolving around a game, I guess this specific forum must then take on some of the quality's of gaming forums the world over, ill thought out, knee jerk reactions.

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Re: Its a joke about rape ffs

Except its not a joke about rape unless you've a twisted mind that reads sex into everything.

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Re: Its a joke about rape ffs

Excuse me, what the fuck are you bleating about? This was no more about rape than it was about the loser needing to do the drying up tonight. Unless you're one of those poor sods who examines every word, every action for any possible way to be offended.

Rape = physical act of violence or unwilling coercion.

Banter != physical act of violence

Banter that doesn't mention rape or sex - *newsflash* - has nothing to do with rape.

Go find somewhere else to be pseudo-offended. Alternatively, just shut the fuck up until you can engage the thinking apparatus that you refer to in your post.

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I like jokes, they make me smile.

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WTF?

Talk about reading too much into the situation. Yes those words could be used during a rape, but they could also be used during a boxing bout. The phrase "open your mouth and swallow this" is perfectly innocent when feeding a baby, and not so much, if a guy has his cock out.

Guess which this situation was most like? the boxing match, or the rape? NOW STOP BEING DICKS.

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Re: WTF?

These words would have been said whether it was a man or a woman playing. The context of these words is not about rape, but about beating the opponent. There is a big difference between someone who looses a game they choose to play and a victim who does not choose. The fact that she was beaten in a game does not mean she was beaten in real life.

Rape is a very serious thing, we should respect and understand what it really is, not degrade it by using the term about gaming, saying 'she was beaten in a game' is accurate saying 'she got raped' is the wrong usage. saying that his gaming talk/banter is akin to rape talk is likewise wrong usage.

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Re: WTF?

The feeding a baby thing is an excellent analogy, and one that I will absolutely not be saying out loud to anyone.

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@Gordon Pyra

Did you watch the clip? That wasn't a rape joke. I think context has a lot to do with it.

I didn't even hear in the clip "There you go. Just let it happen and it will be over soon."

I heard "There you go" a few times, but, seriously, if people are up in arms over this they need to get a grip and stop projecting.

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And?

Silly people make silly remark whilst playing silly game, for which company apologises.

Where's the story?

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Re: And?

The story is that Microsoft validated the complaint by apologising.

What they should have done is express incredulity at the complaint and request the complainer to get a life and see a psychiatrist about their over-active imagination.

I'm all about 'fessing up to a genuine blunder, but really their should grow a pair.

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What?

I don’t understand how people who view a demo of something called ‘Killer Instinct’ are offended easily?

Is that not a bit like someone who hates boxing watching Rocky?

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