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Whistleblower Edward Snowden, who blew the lid off the US government's massive internet surveillance project PRISM, has vanished from his Hong Kong hideout. Word of his disappearance came as it emerged that the 29-year-old's girlfriend is apparently a pole-dancing blogger who yesterday wrote: "Sometimes life doesn’t afford …

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Big Brother

The US treatment of Snowden should dictate how the US itself be considered by the rest of the world.

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And once again, the words "President Obama" are nowhere to be found in this article.

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Oooh, can I play too!

It's spot the words that aren't in the article time!! hurrah!!

How about "relevant comment", "insight" and "tired, scratched old record"...

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Re: Oooh, can I play too!

OK, thumbs up for sarcasm here. *Excellent* response, grin.

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Chances are its all true but.....

if they the US do grab him, it proves it to be true. I suspect they will let him go, so they can keep up the pretence that it isnt as bad as we all think.

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Re: Chances are its all true but.....

I don't think disappearance was the right move for him.

It opens an opportunity for *someone* to disappear him forever and no one will ever know what has happened. A few strategically placed rumours about his probable sighting in Tibet every few month for a year or two and everyone will forget he ever existed...

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Re: Chances are its all true but.....

Seems like a good start to the next John LeCarre novel...

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Re: Chances are its all true but.....

I think disappearing from 'Hong Kong' was a great move. Assuming he pops up again somewhere without an extradition treaty.

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Disappearing vs being disappeared.

In his position, I'd be prearranging a regular "still alive" call with a lawyer or journalist... or several. "If you don't hear from me before xx/yy/zzzz, I'm probably in trouble."

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Re: Chances are its all true but.....

He is probably in a rendition flight to Guantanamo at this moment...

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Re: Chances are its all true but.....

Perhaps he hasn't disappeared at all; he's just living in the remains of the RMS Elizabeth at the bottom of Hong Kong harbour.

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Re: Chances are its all true but.....

Assuming they care what we think.

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Re: Chances are its all true but.....

If half of what he implied was true, they would have nailed him before The Guardian article got printed.

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Disappearance

I think "disappearance" is a much better word or phrase than"solitary confinement" or "suicide watch," don't you? How about "waterboarding"? Disappearing is basic common sense under the circumstances, if you're even remotely aware of what happens to whistleblowers in the US.

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Re: Chances are its all true but.....

Not much chance of that. The wreck was mostly broken up years ago. Then the seabed was dredged, reclaimed and Container Terminal 9 was built on it, opened in 2003.

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Re: Chances are its all true but.....

He is probably in a rendition flight to Guantanamo at this moment...

.. or being smuggled into the Ecuadorian embassy as we speak. After all, they only check those *leaving* ..

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Meanwhile in a small Equadorian apartment in London, an Australian man weeps quietly, as he recognizes people don't need WikiLeaks to make a difference.

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Bingo

People like Bradley Manning and Edward Snowden are the ones that have put their asses on the line for free speech, Assange is just a publicity whore looking for attention....

....but that said, a whistleblower's message can carry a lot further with a good publicity whore.

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"They are the ones that have put the asses on the line of those defending us form others seeking to do us harm", you mean.

PRISM is part of the vital defensive shield that protects the USA and her allies from enemies. Law abiding citizens have nothing to fear (and everything to gain) from such a system; they can go about their business totally unimpeded.

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Shouldn't that be 'totally unem-pedo-ed'?

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@AC - 12:43

Ok... so assuming you are a male AC and pretending you have a wife, she has decided that because her first boyfirend when she was nine kissed another girl she is therefore allowed and within her rights to, behind your back and under a veil of secrecy, check your phone calls, review your text message, scan your emails, search your Facebook / Twitter and whatever else she sees fit basically spy on you. Whether or not you have nothing to hide, how does that make you feel? Is that a wife you could be with?

And you mentioned a word there, that, surprisingly, no-one else has mentioned that I am aware of. Business. Is the government keeping tabs on all correspondence that happens between businesses? There's no software that will pre-emptively highight whether someone is going to suddenly become a terrorist (they can only show after the fact who the terrorist spoke to prior to whatever act they completed, and assumes the terrorists don't use PAYG phones, and change them often. But why would a terrorist do that?!?) but perhaps there is algorityhms that could be written to show how often companies are contacting one another and cross-referenced with rumour milss could strengthen when mergers are going to happen, when stock prices could change, yadda yadda yadda... That informaton could make someone a lot of money, whereas the opportunites for saving lives and protecting freedom are few.

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I'm not sure what Edward Snowden is. He deserves everyones respect for blowing the whistle on this, but the fact he dropped willing jumped in the fire. I can't help but feel setting up an anonymous drop would have been enough.

AC cause I left my tin hat at home!

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I am fed up with seeing uneducated comments like this.

A/C you really need to go read some history and open your eye's to which direction society is heading down. You don't suddenly wake up in a police state, it takes years before you find out you gave everything up years ago and by then its too late.

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I'd rather live in a policed state than a robber or terrorist state.

You are the uneducated one, sir/madam.

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Funny thing about those who have nothing to hide - they often realise that, actually, some things they would really like to hide, after all. But by then it's usually too late.

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"Law abiding citizens have nothing to fear (and everything to gain) from such a system"

Unless someone changes said law to include something totally outrageous (it wouldn't be the first time, esp. if you look at this from a world-wide scale) and then uses this system to enforce said law.

Now you're suddenly in trouble.

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"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety"

Benjamin Franklin

That shows how muc US changed in the past two centuries.... one day the Statue of Liberty will crush into the sea...

And believe me, you should try to live in a policed state. You wouldn't like it at all. Try to spend some time in one, North Korea or the like...

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Re: "PRISM is part of the vital defensive shield that protects the USA and her allies from enemies."

Seriously? The Constitution of the United States of America is the vital defensive shield that protects the people from "all enemies foreign and *domestic*". It starts out like this:

"We the people"...

The *ONLY* hope you have is to restore your republic by returning to the rule of law. That starts with upholding the Constitution.

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Re: "Law abiding citizens have nothing to fear "

You do not have 'law abiding citizens' because you have no rule of law. What you have stated can be reduced to the following empty tautology:

"Citizens with nothing to fear have nothing to fear."

Only a blinkered moron thinks they have nothing to fear from the current unlawful rogue regime ruling America and in charge of Armed Forces with a footprint on the ground everywhere on planet earth. Anybody can be labeled an 'enemy combatant'.

Grow a backbone.

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Re: Publicity whore..

...Max Clifford.. Come on down...

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Re: "Law abiding citizens have nothing to fear"

Is that you, Matt?

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Re: Bingo Are you kidding me?

There is no "vital defense shield" that can protect anyone, anywhere, from anyone. No amount of "intelligence" gained by PRISM will EVER be worth this disgusting degradation of our Constitutional rights.

Anyone who agrees with you needs re-education back into reality. You've been drinking too much of the MK Ultra Kool-Aid.

DHS, PRISM and ECHELON are simply security theater for the sole benefit of getting even more funding and power to corrupt even more politicians, police and military types.

Once you step over this line, you and yours have become the despotic tyrannical government that Jefferson and Franklin warned us about and are the specific reason why the 2nd Article of the Constitution exists.

Too bad that none of you know that YOU are the Enemy, not the People.

When will we ever learn that it is not possible to stop terrorism and get on with living life?

That is the best revenge against the Mullahs and Al Qaida types.

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Re: Bingo Are you kidding me?

Vulnerable people need a strong government watching over them to feel safe.

Try not to think of yourselves. The government need everyone's data for the greater good so they can flag suspicious patterns in behavior. One day you won't be allowed to pontificate against the government under anonymous handles. You might as well submit now rather than pointlessly struggling against the inevitable.

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I'm sure I'm mistaken but didn't I read somewhere that the lovely and virtuous http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Rodham_cattle_futures_controversy

wife of the 42 prez, way before, made investment returns that were estimated by economists as 'lucky' to the chance of 1 in 31 trillion, there may be other possibilities? (Peter Wright alleged in Spycatcher that MI5/6 used to pay people off in the UK with a Premium Bond win). Total Information Awareness must either have a very tight ethical audit or as you say the possibility will be there for more financial abuse

ECHELON (before PRISM technologies) was variously rumored to have led to economic wins for US Trade against other bidding nations.... I think there are some papers on the economic distortions caused by NSA type activities? I'm not sure if this is relevant http://www.natowatch.org/sites/default/files/liftingthelid.pdf it seems mostly to say that the NSA doesn't pay tax?

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For AC @12:43

Skipping any complex argument about mutuality of trust, do the following words prompt any thoughts: McCarthyism, Nixon, Stasi.

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Re: Nextweakling Re: Bingo

"......open your eye's....." It might help if you took off the tinfoil hat, it seems to be blocking your view just a tad....

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> I'd rather live in a policed state than a robber or terrorist state.

Then you, sir, are a coward.

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Re: AC Re: "Law abiding citizens have nothing to fear"

"Is that you, Matt?" Of course not. Not only do I not post AC, but I do fear that one day the tiny minority of frothing sheeple like you could actually convince the 99% rest of the population that you should be trusted with scissors.

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I believe there is a deep difference between Manning and Snowden. The former just download data without ani criteria and passed them to Assange .- which published them without any criteria if they could actually harm someone or not. Snowden talked to a journalist about a system used to gather data - without releasing any data that could harm someone. Manning deserves a long time in a jail, because he's an arrogant moron, his care about human rights violations came only after he was sent to a prison...

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"I'd rather live in a policed state than a robber or terrorist state."

So thought my great grandfather. For a few f years while Soviet Russia transitioned from a robber state in the 1920-es to a policed state circa 1937.

After that Stalin personally ordered him shot. Just to make sure he enjoyed it fully, Stalin & Beria had the letters sent to my mother _ONE_ year before my great grand dad walked down the green painted corridor. He was alive, while everyone outside Lubianka thought he is dead, shot as an enemy of the state.

The minor and particularly significant differences were mostly around that it was called "The Trust", not Al Qaeda at that time.

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You might not care for the AC's comment, but realistically he is correct. There are too many of us for them to keep tight tabs on all of us and make all of us miserable. By and large your email will transit without making a blip in the giant sucking recorder. When the DC sniper was on the loose people were all kinds of upset about how much they were risking their lives stopping to tank up their car. I was never that worried about it because statistically the odds of him getting me were about equal to me winning the big prize in the lottery.

That's not actually the point. The point is that they can bring that sort of power to bear on some of us. And they can now do it in a manner that we don't know is politically as opposed to morally motivated.

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"....After that Stalin personally ordered him shot....." The Stalin Purges by 1937 were all about Stalin removing those he considered to be in competition to be the top dog in Soviet Russia. To be on Stalin's personal naughty list meant your great grandfather was most likely a very active part of the repressive regime that murdered millions of Russians. I wouldn't waste time crying over him.

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Re: changes said law to include something totally outrageous

Actually that sort of thing typically fails big time, even if a significant portion of the population supports it as was the case for Prohibition. Which resulted in an EPIC FAIL.

The real problem is that without proper safeguards it can be used capriciously. Like the IRS audits that have finally made the news after 3 years of complaints.

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You don't understand how this works :) They won't need to keep tabs on all of us. They only need to make an example of a few, then the rest will fall in line. I have also experienced a police state. A true saying going around was something like "a moment of sincerity means one night at the secret police". Everyone was sincere only with the closest family.

Statistics have nothing to do with it. What is even scarier is that they have all your records about everything and then they can corroborate them, which means any of us can be an example. You downloaded torrented music at 14? You are a thief and a criminal. That's all it takes.

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Re: That starts with upholding the Constitution.

Technically you are correct. The problem of course is that most people, probably including you, don't know what it means to uphold the Constitution.

The first thing that has to go is transfer payments the liberal/progressive/socialist wing of society has foisted upon us all. That's the means the polls use to bribe enough of us to maintain power. It also means things like fully supporting the 2nd amendment. And no limits on campaign spending from any source. All speech is supposed to be protected, but most especially political speech. Campaign finance laws in the name of good governance have turned that principle on its head and bounced it up and down on the pavement a few hundred times. And it means you can't even have race based goals let alone unspoken quotas.

Fix those things and other problems like PRISM get much easier to fix.

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Re: do the following words prompt any thoughts:

Yeah, that I have to suppress my natural reflex to shoot anybody who uses the first two in a derogatory manner because they're more likely to be part of the problem than the solution.

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Re: without releasing any data that could harm someone.

That a patently false statement. The data have certainly stopped some attacks.* If we stop the collection of data those attacks which would otherwise have been stopped will succeed and those people will be quite dead.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't stop the mass collection of data. But I do insist that you be realistic in your assessment of what the consequences of not collecting it are. I for one want it stopped right now. There might be workable safeguards we can put on the collection of the data. If there are, I'm probably willing to allow it to be collected and analyzed again. But those protections have to be publicly defined and a super-majority of us need to approve it.

*It follows that if they disclose which attacks there is a measurable risk that the methods used to stop the attack can be compromised and therefore it is not advisable to make the disclosure.

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Re: removing those he considered to be in competition

Technically true but the rest of the details put it in a different context. Stalin didn't target only those he thought were in direct competition to him. He cleared out great swaths of people. Sort of a, "Take anybody in government who is in the GS-11 to GS-14 rank and have them shot." And those were his friends. If you were a dissident at best it was Siberia for you.

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Re: AC Bingo

Stalin seemed to think anyone good at their job was a threat, which was why the Red Army was run by nincompoops like Budyenni in 1941. You only needed to be a colonel of above average ability to get shot.

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Re: AC Bingo

Whilst people bang on about nothing to hide shite, remember that in the Uk it took local councils no time at all to pervert RIPA to spy on the general public for the heinous crime of walking their dogs (occasionally a person would allow their dog to foul the pavement without picking up the waste- woe betide them dog fouling terrorists).

If that wasn't overkill enough, they then started using their overbloated spying powers to determine if people claiming to be with school catchment areas actually were, or were just renting somewhere in addition to their normal home just to get their kids into a half-decent school. After all, Al-queda want to send their kids to good schools innit?

THESE FUCKERS ARE SIMPLY NOT TO BE TRUSTED WITH ALL THAT POWER.

Who watches the watchers eh?

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