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Linux Lord Linus Torvalds has made another colourful public statement, threatening developers' mothers and hamsters. The infamously-but-regretfully-profane Torvalds has seldom been afraid of dropping the f-bomb or venturing into less-than-politically-correct territory. His latest missive shows restraint, inasmuch as there's no …

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Stop the presses!

It's so rare that Linus should send an email to LKML.. this event really does deserve to be a news article. We must get this game changing news out there right now!

In other news; Developers post on mailing lists that are the central communication stream for their project.

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Re: Stop the presses!

Now look, its a law of the Medes and Persians that anything involving the alleged decease of hamsters is funny and newsworthy. Its otherwise known as the Starr principle.

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The news is that

The infamously-but-regretfully-profane Torvalds didn't profanify this time.

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Re: Torvalds would turn air BLUE at MS's Devs! @Eadon

"I imagine that if MS hired Torvolds."

I presume you're going to spend the next few days in self-flagellation over your misspelling of your god's name?

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Re: Torvalds would turn air BLUE at MS's Devs! @Eadon

Eadon,

Are you staying that because Torvolds (sic) won't shout at his fellow developers that that is a good thing. It sounds exactly like something that Mr Bolmer Balmer does.

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Re: Torvalds would turn air BLUE at MS's Devs! @Eadon

Windows devs are just dreading the day chairs can be sent over TCP/IP.

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Re: Torvalds would turn air BLUE at MS's Devs! @LaeMing

Windows devs are just dreading the day chairs can be sent over TCP/IP.

Already exists: TCP = Transmit Chair Protocol, dontchaknow.

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If he does something really bad, we can call him 'Torvoldermort'

See title.

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Re: Torvalds would turn air BLUE at MS's Devs! @Eadon

Gates may have been rude to devs, but at least he didn't do it in a public forum.

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Re: Torvalds would turn air BLUE at MS's Devs! @Eadon

It's just open source rudeness, AC. Nothing more!

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Re: Torvalds would turn air BLUE at MS's Devs! @Eadon

Judging from current rants, Eadon & Torvalds are one and the same person.

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Re: Torvalds would turn air BLUE at MS's Devs! @Eadon

Sorry but they're very rich and famous and you aren't. I'd trust their judgement over yours.

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But cleanup is good. It helps in testing!

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"But cleanup is good. It helps in testing!"

True, true - but not when boat-loads of it keep turning up in release candidates :)

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WTF?

The point that _should_ have been made is that clean-up should not be necessary in any RC.

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Self Deprecating Humour

The ability to laugh at yourself is the best sign of a person who is not liky to disappear up their own arse...

Seems like Linus is safe from.becoming a marketdroid :)

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Re: Self Deprecating Humour

Yeah, but Linus trying to sell something would go like this, "Fucking buy my fucking product or I'll fucking kill your fucking mother and then fuck your fucking dead hamster.

"And I fucking need a fucking NFSFFW icon."

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@Chrism 06:26

Telling someone else "Don't make me do X" isn't self-deprecating humour. Quite the opposite, in fact.

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Re: @Chrism 06:26

Yes, I agree, it's very much along the lines of "Don't make me mad, you wouldn't like me when I'm mad" type of threats.

Bullying your staff, while it seems to be ok by many commenters on the Reg, in reality is never a good thing, nor acceptable.

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Re: @Chrism 06:26

Linus knows his faults (he has been up front with them in interviews) so he uses them to get people on side... no problem for me.

Admittedly when he goes off on a rant he can come across as unprofessional but you can't doubt his track record... delivering a stable kernel that runs a large percentage of the world-facing web servers (86% comes to mind but happy to be corrected).

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In detail however...

They are well down the RC trail. With that you don't submit trivial cosmetic patches. Linus is getting rather sick of wasting time checking a large number of the latter, meaning he can't concentrate on the former.

Now what exactly would be your reaction to that situation? I doubt it would be "Oh bother! I guess I'll have to miss out on my entire social life this month."

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Re: In detail however...

Poor management to make yourself the bottleneck and then to whine about.

Central command and control doesn't work.

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Re: In detail however...

Micro managing manager in micro managing management shocker!!!!

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Re: In detail however...

If I were Linus, I wouldn't be so kind about my developers wasting my time (for all intents and purposes). The profanity would be a little too much for most people though. What Linus needs to do is hire an old time First Sergeant as his official attack dog. When someone does something stupid and he doesn't have the time to get it taken care of himself, he'd have 1SG Pitbull to go lay down the law. <sarcasm>Politely and without dreaming of using a word like "fuck" of course </sarcasm>

But anyway, a process question to anyone who may know: Isn't QA supposed to be doing cleanup for the candidates? Or is Linux Kernel development organized differently, like say so the Kernel Hackers have to do the bitchwork themselves without pawning it off on some QA volunteer or employee? I use GNU/Linux, in fact its my second favorite operating system after Windows 7, but Id be next to useless working on the Kernel as I've never been able to figure out what their QA team really does, how they go about doing their work or if they even have a QA team for the Kernel. I imagine they do, but its like Fight Club rules. Rule 1 is that you don't talk about Kernel QA.

My main point though is why in the hell should the Project Manager and the Kernel's original author have to do a QA Sheriff's job and bitch people out for doing dumb things? Seems a misallocation of resources to me, given that this is the 2nd article in six months about him having to do something like this, even though Mr. Torvalds is notorious for being hands on.

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Re: In detail however...

Well to be fair, as much as Torvalds is a legend, why do people assume he's always right about these things? I've never had dealings with him myself but from hearing from people who have over the years he is the absolute worst example of the obstinate 'my way is the ONLY WAY TO DO THINGS' programmer. The kind of guy who you absolutely dread working with because he thinks there is only one way to skin a cat.

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Re: In detail however... @Edward K

The problem Linus has, it appears, is that the people he is in charge of are in fact making his life more difficult, and he is forced to intervene.

You are right, he shouldn't have to micro manage the team, but the evidence points to the fact he is HAVING to micro manage because the team isn't doing the 'right thing'. And in this case, cosmetic patches at RC5 are a big no-no. And because this is an OSS project with a majority of unpaid volunteers, you cannot sack people and get in decent replacements. You can however shout at them if necessary (and if they haven't got the clue from other means).

OSS projects, like Linux, I think, will always suffer from this sort of issue. Linux itself, of course, is a great example of a successful OSS project. Probably solely down to the way Torvald works.

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Re: In detail however...

"Central command and control doesn't work."

But then again "too many cooks spoil the broth".

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Re: In detail however...

Yes, I believe most programmers know how easily a "last minute" trivial code change can fail. At least I have had that experience more than once. And if something makes you mad it's when you fuck up with something trivial.

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Torvalds speaks... must... try... not... to falll.... ZZzzzzzzzzz.....

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you, your mother, and your deceased pet hamster

Do they smell of elderberries?

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Re: you, your mother, and your deceased pet hamster

I saw a response from Linus to LKML (re a git pull request) that did indeed mention the smell of elderberries.

Someone was trying to sneak in some clean ups at the same time as a few regression fixes.

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That should work.

They should fall in line after that. If anything scares Linux kernel devs it is someone shouting at them on the internet.

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It is not just linux kernel

It is not just linux kernel that is bloated. Most of other linux programs have become bloated and buggy. It has been a long progress. This is going to hamper development in Linux distros for a long time.

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