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Ancient plants have been brought back to life by boffins, despite having been frozen inside a glacier for over 400 years. Glacier retreat in the Canadian Arctic Researcher Catherine La Farge, director and curator of the Cryptogamic Herbarium at the University of Alberta, snagged moss which carbon-dating estimated was aged …

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Coat

Moss reanimates?

So they did try turning him off and on again.

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Re: Moss reanimates?

Nearly, they tried forcing an unexpected reboot.

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Re: Moss reanimates?

I guess he ended up in invalid memory.

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Re: Moss reanimates?

Might have just been a system freeze.

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Re: Moss reanimates?

Nah, everyone knows he's retired.

http://www.classicsmonthly.com/2011/06/09/sir-stirling-moss-retires-%E2%80%93-no-more-racing/

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Hmmm

So could something like this be a very, very, very early stage in terraforming Mars?

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Re: terraforming Mars?

On Mars (iirc) the atmospheric pressure is too low for liquid water; and moss usually likes things rather damp.

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Re: Hmmm

The magic words you're looking for are 'cryptogamic crust' and 'cryotoendolith'. Green fluffy stuff like this moss is a bit advanced for early stage terraforming.

Have a read of Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars trilogy, if you're bored. Lots of interesting and plausible stuff regarding terraforming.

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Re: Hmmm

Beat me to it. I was just going to mention that series excellent read.

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I wondered about that too but before this story, thinking what if we sent things like dandelions or other self-propagating/self-pollinating plants and seeded them around Mars.

Mind you, when we came to populate Mars we'd need a lot of weed-killer

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Picture

Is that Catherine in the picture or the moss? It doesn't look like either.

Subject matter aside this is neat!

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Looks just like the stuff on my lawn

Bloody bastard inde-fucking-structable it is!!

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Re: Looks just like the stuff on my lawn

I think you're referring to sphagnum moss. May I ask, why not let the rather nice stuff grow in your lawn? As you tacitly admit, it can look after itself.

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Re: Looks just like the stuff on my lawn

Indeed if enough people populated their lawns with moss we could put the whole lawncare industry out of business. Moss doesn't need mowing ( major plus in my eyes) and doesn't seem to mind anything barring a drought.

Future beer being enjoyed as I peruse my beautifully self maintained mosslawn.

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Moss reanimates after 400 years in DEEP FREEZE!

Moss: Does this sound mysterious?

Jen: Yeah, yeah it's quite mysterious.

Moss: I was hoping for "ruddy mysterious".

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Re: Moss reanimates after 400 years in DEEP FREEZE!

I'm glad that I'm not the only one who immediately thought of the IT crowd.

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Mushroom

Nuclear winter

Farewell cockroaches, bryophytes are the new king.

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Dare I go here?

Could this be evidence that global warming is cyclical?

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Re: Dare I go here?

and that plants have evolved a way to survive the various changes and cycles?

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Re: Dare I go here?

I agree with you. That would be consistent with the Theory of Evolution. Sadly, it is not consistent with the Catastrophic Global Warming due to Anthropogenic increases in CO2 concentration narrative. Ultimately, science will prevail, but meantime what you say conflicts with currently accepted dogma. If you want research funding, you need to steer a little clear of inflammatory references to non climate science science, or as I like to call it 'science'.

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"and that plants have evolved a way to survive the various changes and cycles?"

Be careful how you word that. Evolution through natural selection often leads to short-term gains that are disastrous against long-term environment change. If a species has adapted to survive such long-term pressures it's a happy coincidence not a necessary part of evolution.

(very long topic. regretting mentioning it already...)

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Re: Dare I go here?

"Could this be evidence that global warming is cyclical?"

No. We already know global warming isn't cyclical.

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Re: We already know global warming isn't cyclical.

Depends - there are climatic variations caused by periodic variations in the earths orbit; it wouldn't be unreasonable to regard the warmer parts of that to be a cyclical global warming. I'm not sure there's evidence for the cyclical occurrence of clever organisms digging up a load of fossil carbon, burning it for fuel and so adding extra CO2 to the atmosphere, thus thus causing attendant cyclical variations in the climate, though.

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Re: We already know global warming isn't cyclical.

The moss is 400 years old which isn't enough time for variations in earths orbit to have had a cyclical effect.

What it does demonstrate in that this glacier wasn't there 400 years ago which means the conditions in that region, over 400 years ago, are comparable to the conditions there today.

Vegetation from retreating glaciers in Greenland have been dated to 800 years ago (Medieval Warm Period) and to 1600 years ago (Roman Climate Optimum). The same is true for retreating glaciers in the Alps.

I should make it clear that not all retreating glaciers uncover vegetation of this age, but then there are probably glaciers that haven't retreated that will have vegetation this age under them.

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Glaciers flow...

.. just because the (otherwise) advancing edge is melting doesn't mean the glacier is retreating.

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Re: Dare I go here?

Global warming is cyclical, absolutely; we know that from plenty of evidence (ice ages, e.g.). The current warming is rapid and human-induced.

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Re: Dare I go here?

Encyclical, even.

Grammar, because if you don't have a bishop, a son of a bishop will do.

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Why does the word...

... Krynoid come to mind...?!

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The Zombie Apocalypse Begins.

I predict that these are the first wave of scouts for a larger zombie army.

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Pfft, I'm not impressed.......

Since it was a national holiday, Syfy channel was showing a chimeric geneological nightmare documentary marathon yesterday, and apparently Dinoshark thawed out after millions of years of icy entombment. Last I saw, he was running rampant off of Puerto Vallarta!!

(On a more serious level, I can't watch these crap Syfy channel movies, but I admire their chutzpah in reinventing the schlock horror genre. Apparently all you have to do is come up with two somewhat dangerous animals, and then make an unintentionally funny crap film starring the resulting nightmarish genetic hybrid. Yesterday's titles that I noticed while channel surfing included "Sharktopus", "Piranhaconda" and the afore-mentioned Dinoshark.)

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Re: Pfft, I'm not impressed.......

Or one dangerous animal and one dangerous weather phenomenon - sharknado!

<http://www.movieweb.com/movie/sharknado>

How sad I am that I have no television (ok, I actually wouldn't mind seeing that)

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Re: Pfft, I'm not impressed.......

The one about the Micrapple is particularly bad.

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Thawing out stuff frozen in ice?

I'm sorry, but everybody who's been around this stuff, over there.

Seriously - I'm the one with the flamethrower; OVER THERE. NOW!

Now, I'm going to need a blood sample from each of you, in the Petri dishes, while I heat this wire....

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Re: Thawing out stuff frozen in ice?

Just what I was thinking. These researchers really need to go do some research in their local video store, specifically the John Carpenter section.

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Eats ALIVE!!!

Muwhahahahahahahahah!!!

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Moss makes a comeback

Sterling will be interested in this one

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In Soviet Russia...

the moss re-animates you.

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Re: In Soviet Russia...

ew... vegisexual viagra

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"...uncovering land that hasn't seen the Sun since the 1500s."

What about the Guardian?

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Really? A good idea?

because thawing out stuff found in ice & letting them loose works so well.

..MacReady fire up the helo, and watch out for those crazy norwegians.

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Mushroom

Makes me wonder whats alive in the back of my freezer?

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you should mount an expedition. you might find a new type of ice cream or even a sorbet?!

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I, for one, welcome our new prehistoric overlord.

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I, for one,

Disapointed I had to scroll so far to find the obligatory I, for one, welcome....

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" but nobody expected them to rejuvenate after nearly 400 years beneath a glacier,"

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiion either.

The one hanging over the back of the Comfy Chair.

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