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Microsoft has plugged a flaw in its Greener IT Challenge website that leaked the names and email addresses of users who took a quiz on the site. Users who passed the quiz by demonstrating their knowledge of buying environmentally sensitive PCs, choosing minimal power use options for new computers and how to dispose of obsolete …

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Re: Environmentally friendly Windows PC ..... NOT!

Ah, Eadon....

The anagram of "Deano"

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Re: Environmentally friendly Windows PC ..... NOT!

And 'I, Eadon' is an anagram of...

No Idea!

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Re: Environmentally friendly Windows PC ..... NOT!

Disclaimer: I am a GNU/Linux user.

On laptops Windows' power management features far exceed what GNU/Linux can do. Discuss.

On desktops Windows' sleep/hibernate features work reliably. Discuss.

Windows can make used of discrete graphics chips, whilst GNU/Linux cannot. Discuss.

Eadon, you are not doing the cause any good with your knee-jerk and baseless statements. GNU/Linux needs to succeed on merit, not propaganda.

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Re: Environmentally friendly Windows PC ..... NOT!

@AC 12:48 Have you ever considered that the features you point out mostly rely on proprietary technology and the difficulty that is involved in implementing features based on hardware you cannot obtain the relevant technical documentation for?

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Re: sleep/hibernate

works fine on my machines running ubuntu & mint

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Re: Environmentally friendly Windows PC ..... NOT!

> Disclaimer: I am a GNU/Linux user.

...Not a particularly knowledgeable one, it would appear.

> On laptops Windows' power management features far exceed what GNU/Linux can do. Discuss

Nope. They both work well.

> On desktops Windows' sleep/hibernate features work reliably. Discuss.

As they do on Linux.

> Windows can make used of discrete graphics chips, whilst GNU/Linux cannot. Discuss.

Got any particular chip in mind? Because I don't have any problems with graphics devices.

> GNU/Linux needs to succeed on merit, not propaganda.

Indeed. It could do without *quite* so much misinformation, though...

Vic.

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"Nonetheless, people are entitled to hold Microsoft to high standards in web design" -- Not sure why, they have never demonstrated any standards in web design other than "This web page requires Internet Explorer 5 or later"

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@Miek

they have never demonstrated any standards in web design other than "This web page requires Internet Explorer 5 or later"

Now come on - they created FrontPage, didn't they?

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Thanks for that, I had forgotten about FrontPage.

Oh, yeah, mine's the Microsoft one with coffee all over it.

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I wonder how much CO2 the Eadon troll has been resonsible for generating. Probably a lot more than all of MS OS put together!

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And on the other hand...

they are promoting the XBox One, which will be on all the time... :-S

Apple tried that with the first Apple TV, we ended up just yanking the power cable out after we had watched, total PITA.

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web 'engineers'

seems they are usually paid tuppence h'apenny, and are either very stupid or given extraordinarily stupid specs to follow.... user must type in his phone number... why??/?

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Re: web 'engineers'

A lot of that has to do with the rather popular decision (right now) to 'empower' individual departments by allowing them to create applications and publish to corporate websites without any IT oversight.

I guarantee you when this was discovered someone in IT got a panic call & had to race to correct what is a simple issue for IT but beyond the purview of green computing department.

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Two fails

Fail - the agency probably hired some cheap students or other code monkeys, charged good mana from MS, paid nothing for the workforce internally. PROFIT!

Fail2 - microsofties did not even bother to check if they got what they paid for... and I am sorry, but such classics are in every "let me code a web page" book.

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Outsourcing

Almost certainly outsourced to a marketing agency because the 'business' likes responsive campaign swirls, speeches, connected, engaged blah blah, missing the point of why technologists might take longer to do the job right...

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You shouldn't assume its a the programmers fault.

Its not like a project from a course or a programming book where you are given 100% complete and 100% accurate specifications to work with. Usually the boss/client has no idea what they want until they see it. So you create a series of quick and dirty prototypes until you come up with something that client is happy with.

Ideally what happens next is you cleanup/rewrite/refactor the code adding "invisible" features like security, legibility, ease of maintenance, etc to bring it up to full production standards. And then you spend some time testing and debugging until you are confident you have created something you that makes you take pride in your work.

Then the client's bosses boss who knows as much about programming as you know about marketing decides to make a few "minor" changes the day before everything goes live.

If you were working on something like an air traffic control program your company would refuse to compromise quality, and present the client with a revised budget and time table, and there would be a contract that would back them up.

Since this is just a stupid online quiz, and contract or no contract if the client isn't happy your not going to get that last big check. So you and your team work all day, then ingest a lot of sugar and caffeine and work all night until finally you go something that quick and dirty, and completely untested but it works well enough to make the client happy, at least until the check clears.

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Re: You shouldn't assume its a the programmers fault.

...And that's exactly how the world works - the marketing agencies they use promise to be responsive whereas in-house IT have to follow the rules and standards. I assure you, the in-house IT procedures and standards are incredibly high, with security audits mandatory, etc.

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In Germany there is a variant of that

It's called the V-Model. Essentially you start with a specification and then you refine it more and more until you actually code. Then that code will be tested against the specification. This leads to horrible software since a mistake in the specification will cause mistakes in the implementation. And should the programmer notice it and fix it, he will have made an error.

In the V-Model someone would probably have simply declared the filenames of the PDF-files to be the number of the main index in the database.

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MS can't do websites

Why is anyone surprised? Microsoft released IE10 on the world, but half their own websites don't work right with it.

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It doesn't ask for an email address. Is that their 'fix'?

Also, a spelling checker wouldn't go on the front page: "Thas's"?

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Typical - I have a whine about a spelling mistake and leave out a word. Should have included 'amiss'.

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