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Microsoft will remove its revamped YouTube app for Windows Phone 8 from its store and revert to the earlier version until such time as it can meet all of Google's requirements for the app, advertising included. This latest chapter in the ongoing mano a mano between Google and Microsoft over Redmond's YouTube mobile app comes …

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I can hardly believe

Google would offer API specs to Apple and refuse them to Microsoft, especially given that both are its sworn enemies and reputed Android foes.

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Re: I can hardly believe

....sigh.... for people reading a tech blog the lack of knowledge surrounding this is quite frankly astounding.

There are *NO* API's available to ANYONE to enable the advertising. If a platform has an "official" YouTube app available (that complies with the TOS) it is because Google built it - no-one else.

If the API's existed, Microsoft would of used them - but they simply don't exist.

There are a lot of people who believe that Google were in the wrong - but that is simply because they don't understand the law. Google have no legal requirement whatsoever to write an app for a competing platform - they may have a requirement to make the service available to all platforms (though that's more of a grey area) - Windows Phone users were always able to open a browser and visit YouTube so no law has been broken and it is not anti competitive.

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Re: I can hardly believe

That's shocking.

Microsoft have some kind of mobile phone out? Why doesn't anyone know about this?

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Re: I can hardly believe

I can hardly believe that you have believed Microsoft's side of the story.

The fact is, Windows Phone is on life support, the only people refusing to pull the plug are Microsoft, supporting it by writing their own apps.

The API nonsense is a smokescreen.

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Re: I can hardly believe

Haha don't make me laugh. Yes that's why Windows phone is the fastest growing mobile platform atm. Get your facts right you idiot - read the IDC report.

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Re: I can hardly believe

It's easy to grow from an install base of nothing. The telling part will be where market equilibrium is (i.e. at which point windows phone gets no more traction against the other competitors).

When the next iPhone comes out, it'll be "the fastest growing phone segment" on the market, and probably the same when the next release of Android comes out and Samsung et. al. release a swathe of new flagship products based on that.

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Re: I can hardly believe

So there's no YouTube API eh?

https://developers.google.com/youtube/

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Re: I can hardly believe

At the same time Microsoft weren't legally in the wrong over IE until the EU fined them for it.

As you say it is a grey area but being "in the wrong" is for those grey areas. The Google employee who just published the MS exploit instead of going through the proper channels was "in the wrong" while the general consensus of Microsoft publishing their Youtube App without going through the proper channels wasn't "in the wrong". Its all subjective based off your own feelings.

This grey area will become a much more prominent issue sooner rather than later as its the reverse of Microsoft's antitrust issue. Microsoft abused its market leadership by forcing others out of the market by including its products in market dominating products. Google,it could be argued, area abusing its dominance in the online video and maps market by excluding competitors in the sepearate smartphone market from accessing those products. Lets not kid ourselves, not having official native apps for facilities such as GoogleMaps, YouTube, iTunes and even Angrybirds can be deal breakers and limit sales.

We may be heading to a future where software is treated like patents with FRAND like terms beingimposed on them when they hit market dominance.

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Re: I can hardly believe

Apple reportedly paid big dollars for access to the APIs. So far no rumour of Microsoft being willing to hand over money to get access to the APis.

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Re: I can hardly believe

Rumour is that Microsoft and YouTube had built an app but it was roadblocked by Google before it was signed off.

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Re: I can hardly believe

"Haha don't make me laugh."

Well, I'm reminded of the reply Russell Brand got after him and Woss made their obscene phone call prank and he said "All I ever wanted to do was make people laugh".

Reply: "Well Russell, any time you're ready to start".

Same with Microsoft. When they do get round to launching something other than a comedy burning platform, we'll see if its any use.

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Re: I can hardly believe

Actually the mobile phone I just made is the fastest growing platform, it's called AndroidX, I downloaded the Android sourcecode and did a find and replace and recompiled.

Last year I sold none. This year I gave away one to my cat... Take that Microsoft and your stupid growth without numbers bullshit statistics that fool anonymous cowards.

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Re: I can hardly believe

There is an API... on Android. Its called the <a href="http://apiblog.youtube.com/2012/12/no-webview-required-with-native-youtube.html">YouTube Player API for Android</a> and is advertised as not requiring WebView.

The issue is around having API equality. Though it reasonable to say Google does not have to do this. Whether this would be anti-competitive is an open debate. It depends a lot on whether you regard YouTube as a monopoly and whether user experience differences are considered important.

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Re: I can hardly believe

What a misleading title. It is Google that caved in to Microsoft and agreed to let them have access to the APIs previously denied.

The Borg had no choice but to cave as Microsoft had managed to release a functional app without API access - the only difference was that they were not making any money from it!

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Mushroom

Re: I can hardly believe

Windows Phone already overtook Blackberry to be #3 global smartphone platform by sales. The install base is in the millions.

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Re: I can hardly believe

@TheVogon "The install base is in the millions."

As is Androids. Every day in fact.

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Re: I can hardly believe

a growth from 2 people to 6 people is 300% growth

doesn't change the fact that in reality nobody is using it

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Re: I can hardly believe

Google owns YouTube. Think about that and how much they know about your video tastes.

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Re: I can hardly believe

"a growth from 2 people to 6 people is 300% growth"

400% actually.

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Re: I can hardly believe

"a growth from 2 people to 6 people is 300% growth"

Er, 200%

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Re: I can hardly believe

You only need to reach a commercial agreement with Google if you want to do something outside of the terms and conditions google provide the API free of charge under. I really doubt that google would disallow someone as high profile as microsoft if they were following the terms and conditions. If apple really need pay huge sums of cash for access presumably it was to get the content AD free? (I don't know, not used the ios version for a couple of years or so and it was ad free then)

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Re: There is an API... on Android

The API is not limited to android, true for android there is a native API, but the main API is a json one which can be used on any platform capable of opening a socket!

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Mushroom

Re: I can hardly believe

Windows Phone has higher market share than the iphone in 7 countries now, with million of phones in use, so that old FUD doesnt wash anymore....

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Why can't we...

Watch Google and Microsoft battle it out "gladiator style" where neither of them lives at the end, and the tiger eats everyone.

Ah, but to dream.

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Re: Why can't we...

Then we'd be stuck with Yahoo as leading search engine. Do you really want that? DO YOU?!

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Google should have done a Microsoft favorite; browser sniff and hinder or block access completely. Poor Microsoft, they get the treatment they have given others over the years. Imagine the fun Google could have had; nice messages that say please upgrade to a real phone. Or, you are trying to access a smartphone service. How about, error, please contact Microsoft to fix; error code 0x573985124607. Karma is a bitch.

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New Youtube app is optional at the moment.

At the moment the update isn't forced on you so I am still running the better version. Not sure if they will force me to update ever. I just have to remember not to update all.

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Re: New Youtube app is optional at the moment.

You need to get a real phone ;)

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You need to get a life troll.

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Re: New Youtube app is optional at the moment.

They have also been forced to remote uninstall, so it won't be long before you are using YouTube in a browser again.

You should have bought a proper phone.

There are loads for sale here:

http://www.phones4u.co.uk/android/

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Re: New Youtube app is optional at the moment.

"http://www.phones4u.co.uk/android/"

Android? Meh, can take it or leave it (a taste thing, plus I find Google even less ethical than MS). But my downvote is linking to Phones4u. Dear oh dear....

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Hahahaha.....hahahahah +920

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Re: New Youtube app is optional at the moment.

Thanks for pointing that out, I'll get one tomorrow ;)

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Re: New Youtube app is optional at the moment.

"http://www.phones4u.co.uk/android/"

But those are all the laggy, buggy and insecure ones, with loads of Malware....

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I reckon

MS should stop YouTube working on Windows machines. Teach Google who is the daddy. Google will rapidly realise that the remaining you tube users, which would be school kids with cheap phones (i.e the android customer base), do not represent a valuable 'advertising target'. This means that the personal details of these users that Google try to sell will not be worth as much.

GOOGLE EVIL EMPIRE FAIL!

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Re: I reckon

omg we found the anti Eadon! Lets hope they never meet ;-)

Interesting point though. MS spent years denying api access to competitors angnd generally being evil. I don't know to what degree google are trying to hamper ms but theres no doubt its due to the android patent fees ms is collecting. Otherwise g would have released an app and collected the additional ad revenue (albeit small).

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2AC 25th May 01.55 Re: "GOOGLE EVIL EMPIRE FAIL!" My congratulations on a truly.......

.........superb Eadon imitation, it was so lifelike that I can only describe it as frightening.

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Re: I reckon

MS blocking Google. That wouldn't work well for MS; people would just use a different browser. What is MS going to do, add a patch so that youtube wouldn't be allowed to be looked up via DNS? It would take no time at all for the backlash to hit MS.

"remaining you tube users, which would be school kids with cheap phones"

What is WP then? They are heavily subsidized and they are CHEAP. Anyone that knows anything knows not to get a WP. AT&T spent several hundred dollars to move each Lumia phone; Nokia was selling them cheap and then you had Microsoft advertising as well. At the end of the day, they spent more on advertising to get the phones to sell than they cost. They lost money on every phone sold. They had to pay developers to make apps and most have left because of the lack of app sales. WP is a failure, just like the apps for Windows 8. MS is so out of touch with the consumer it is not even funny.

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Yeah and that's why official apps are hitting the store on a weekly basis....

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re: anti-eadon

Surely they would both vanish into a huge burst of energy - what's the problem!

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I'm not sure we could cope with the release of that much delusional negativity!

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Re: I reckon

> Otherwise g would have released an app and

In order for Google to release a Windows Phone app it would have to submit it to MS for approval. How likely is that to happen ?

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Re: I reckon

Pretty likely. It's obvious that MS wants WP to have a good YouTube app.

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Misleading headline. MS didn't cave, they changed their app in good faith then google decided they would finally provide the API access.

Google fail!!

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yeah

MS won this stoush fair and square

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Re: "MS won this stoush fair and square" It does appear to be the case time at any rate.....

........even though certain members here will refuse to acknowledge that. The clue lies in the fact that MS and Google issued a joint statement. Mountain View realised that they had pushed the issue too far. That does not mean, of course, that they have "caved in to" Redmond, just that they realised that they would have to negotiate rather than take the mickey. Whatever comes out in the wash will be, hopefully, something that both sides can live with. That is after all the point with negotiations, hmm?

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Hate YouTube

Now that google owns YouTube over the last few years whenever I do a quick search of a how to or tutorial the top results are a bunch of idiots that can't write waving a camera around, normally at a prime example of how not to do it.

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Holmes

Dear Microsoft,

That's Karma for ya

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So Google are now going to provide access to the relevant APIs to allow a Windows Phone YouTube app that shows ads etc, exactly as Microsoft originally wanted. Remind me again which side has caved here?

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Anonymous Coward

..how ironic

..just as microsoft block people from accessing all the quirky Exchange APIs so noone can write a nice alternative email or calendar program.

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