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Smartphone upstart Jolla - founded by a bunch of ex-Nokia engineers - has finally unveiled a device. The gadget's technical details are few and far between at this moment. The handset itself won't be available until the end of the year, but anyone willing to plonk down €100 can get get in line early for the €399 phone and bag a …

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Mmm...

... I'm sure looking forward to getting my hands on all that storage space.

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Re: Mmm...

16GB ?

My old 20 quid tesco pay-as-you-go cheapie came with 4gig. 16 gig is hardly impressive by comparison.

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Re: Mmm...

don't get fooled by numbers games, My PC has stacks and stacks and runs like a dog because it has a load of MS crap plastered all over it. My older machine has less crap but also less memory and does far more far quicker.

16gb is more than enough... my first 'real' machine had 512K - yes K, and the biggest hard drive you could buy at any affordable price - 32M - yes M (most folk had a 20mb)

I have placed my order and look forward to the arrival, I am also looking at the case and wondering whether there is money to be made in making a case with a chip and some good apps and things... remember the old clip on cases Nokias had - how well they sold on every street market... now imagine that but BETTER :) :)

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Re: Mmm...

Dave, fair points, and I still have a couple of 20Mb hard disks at home! And I remember paying over £300 a while back for a 64Mb memory card!

My point was more that 16Gb is hardly much of a technological step.

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This is even more DOA than Blackberry 10.....

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Hmmm, are you sure? It depends on how big they are and how much they've sunk into the hardware side of things. Mind you, the phone hardware world is coalescing on them all being pretty much the same, so building any decent quality hardware is probably more of a marketing choice rather than an engineering challenge.

If they're small (=cheap), enthusiastic and talented and get the balance of the software just right so as to appeal to the talented enthusiast pro or amateur they could (in their terms) do very nicely indeed. You don't have to become Apple big if your investors aren't expecting or demanding that. The problem with being Apple-sized is that its way too easy to shrink by frightening amounts, just like is happening to Apple now.

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maybe not DOA, but certainly insignificant...

for every geek/nerd/tech-head/early adopter/<insert your own tag here> who's thinking of getting one of these there'll be 99 ordinary punters who'll be going "meh".

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This should make the 0.02% market share of Google Chrome Books look like a hot product...

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And your reason for that?

I love peoples off the cuff comments which are not backed up by any argument - lucid or otherwise. Why is it dead? It has a very interesting fun feature which is unique, it works with the apps which most people now want, it looks good, the price is fine... now, just what was it we were supposed to laugh at as we zipped off to buy yet another Samsung imitation iPhone?

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Re: maybe not DOA, but certainly insignificant...

What makes you think that? The cover thing is cool and with a few little chinese companies and market stalls thinking they can make a buck or two there will be a supply of interesting add ons.

As for the OS - no one really gives a toss, they'll see Android compatible and be happy if they believe the rest of the phone is good looking enough.

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we will see...

I think your commenting here as descended to a new low of argumentative stupid statement for the sake of it.

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@AC

The samsung chromebook is the number one laptop/notebook at amazon.com and number 3 at amazon.co.uk

It's not exactly the exmplar of failure you seem to think.

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Re: maybe not DOA, but certainly insignificant...

Well maybe - maybe not. I've not actually played with one but looking at the video it looks to me to be the first phone to actually move the state of phone os development ahead of iOS. When the iphone came out it was way ahead of existing phones, then Android / Blackberry 10 / Phone 8 were kind of catch up efforts to try to keep up with Apple. As an iphone user this is the first thing I've seen that looks a clear step forward from current Apple tech.

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Ota tuo, vihreä robotti Google!

(Take that, green Google robot!).

About time. Now, methinks, Nokia might just - just - regret letting go of expensive (read: highly talented) engineers.

Jolla - being Finnish for dinghy, which you'd be glad of, had you been thrown off a burning platform by a Canadian may well add to Nokia's woes.

I think Flop is even now consulting his mentors in Redmond, to see if they can somehow "do a 'Sendo' "on it.

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Microsoft isn't worried...

I predict a little conversation along the lines of "That's a nice little smartphone company you've got there, it would be a shame if anything were to happen to it..." soon after the first model starts to ship.

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Re: Ota tuo, vihreä robotti Google!

Fascinating to find something written in finnish here. But, I have to slightly correct both the headline and the translation. It should be, in my opinion, "Ota turpaas, sä vihree Google-robotti" (that was approximately how it should be said in my local dialect) / "Take that, [you] green Google robot!". [you] is strongly implied in my native language, and quite often also written or said too. Although, it is also very often replaced with a four-letter or seven-letter word beginning with f.

Going to pre-order a Jolla.

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Re: Ota tuo, vihreä robotti Google!

Actually, "Täältä pesee, googlen vihreä robotti" would be more accurate translation.

Like with "take that", "täältä pesee" is more general threat not stating outright that there will be a serving of knuckle sandwiches and a boast of ones manpower, a claim that whatever is coming, there will be plenty more to follow.

And for googlen vihreä robotti, im guessing the original was green robot of Google. There is no typo there, it is googlen, not Googlen. When stating ownership the name is written with g, not G.

As for actual phone, I can't wait to have one as for phones, that is closest one can get to nerdgasm these days. Rare with one of a kind feature, built from ground up to take maximum out of hardware.

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Re: Ota tuo, vihreä robotti Google!

"Ota tuo, vihreä robotti Google"?

Wouldn't "Ota se, Microsoft ja Nokia!" be more appropriate?

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Re: Microsoft isn't worried...

Except that Jolla has been in discussions with Nokia since the early stages.

Also, shortly before Jolla appeared, Elop said there was no plan B but the chairman of the board said there was a plan B. So the board knows more then Elop and the chairman will not elaborate on what plan B.

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Would be hilarious if Jolla becomes bigger than Nokia in a few years

If Nokia hold on to Elop / Winblows much longer, it might happen!

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Re: Would be hilarious if Jolla becomes bigger than Nokia in a few years

Windows / Lumia sales are increasing rapidly so it seem unlikely that Nokia would invest in another flavour of recycled UNIX...

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Re: Ota tuo, vihreä robotti Google!

While I agree that Nokia was dumb to let these guys go... I don't think it was a bad idea.

Considering the fact that Nokia has enough cash that they could buy out this company and take the device and run with it... It let these guys alone and design in peace.

That may seem like a weird concept, but it really does make sense the more you think about it.

These guys can develop a phone unmolested by pointy haired managers.

Nokia can cozy up to Microsoft's teat, and get needed cash.

The guys who create the phone take all the risk and Nokia doesn't have any risk of devising a new platform.

Those guys who built it will make a shit load of cash for their risk when they sell out. (If they sell out.)

Just food for thought....

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Re: Microsoft isn't worried...

Plan B has got to be the only one that could succeed and probably includes some gardening tuition for Elop (I certainly hope so)

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Re: Ota tuo, vihreä robotti Google!

It is a risk, if the product is a success and it is a largely private concern it may well be that Nokia can't buy it. I certainly wouldn't sell a successful phone manufacturing company to them... I might well wait a few years and buy Nokia just for the pleasure of sacking Elop and the board that supports him.

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Re: Would be hilarious if Jolla becomes bigger than Nokia in a few years

What, 5million a quarter, the burning platform was managing 30million a quarter in a smaller market

Nokia aren't totally dead yet but they are so far back in the race that it seems unlikely that they will again rise beyond tail end charlies. Don't forget that many of their 'smart phone' sales aren't actually smartphones - they reclassified some oft he old s40 phones (which definitely aren't windows phone, aren't smart etc etc) as 'smart phones' so their sales figures wouldn't look the disaster they are!

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unlikely that Nokia would invest in another flavour

Except for their Asha line, in which they invested in Smarterphone, and still use S40 to some degree. Is Symbian still outselling Windows Phone?

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Re: unlikely that Nokia would invest in another flavour

Symbian no longer outsells windows phone - mainly though because Nokia aren't making them. In total units shipped it will be a few decades before windows overtakes Symbian.

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Re: unlikely that Nokia would invest in another flavour

Asha is S40, nothing else.

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Re: Would be hilarious if Jolla becomes bigger than Nokia in a few years

Define rapidly. You also cannot use the growth percentage to make a point. Example, I sell one unit. When I sell a second unit I had a 100% increase in sales. So, if I sold one unit in 2012 and 10 in 2013, I saw 1,000% increase in sales. Selling 10 handsets though is an utter failure though.

Symbian sold more an a single year than WP has ever sold.

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Re: Microsoft isn't worried...

You mean on how to dig a 7ft x 6ft hole? Cos thats what Elop Bey deserves.

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End of year?

Wake me up then.

Sounds a bit like Applesque. Version 9S is coming sometime in the year 2017. Please pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre order yours for $100.

In the fast changing landscape of mobiles, its a bit premature to announce a handset and get people excited about an untried and untested hardware/software, despite the pedigree of engineers.

Who would want to tie up 100 bucks till December?

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Re: End of year?

Who would want to tie up 100 bucks till December?

This was the easiest €100 I've spent for some time - can't wait for this to come to market.

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Re: End of year?

Untried software? Hmm, it is based off f MeeGo which is tested. WP was untested, Android was untested, iOS was untested.

The handset will be released by the end of 2013. Which means it could be tomorrow, or it could be December 31st.

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Re: End of year?

Well Kickstarter/IndieGogo projects ask for funds up front, it is becoming more common.

(Other give people money websites also available)

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@Article

"The cyan clip-on bit is the "other half" of the handset: a swappable section with its own memory storage and it can change the interface or add content to the phone - a bit like a removable SD card only bigger, brighter and more proprietary."

Ah, good old days! I use to work for a mobile company back in 2003 where we were working on similar idea. The company had called the technology "smart skin": http://www.wildseed.com and http://www.wildseed.com/bananna2.jpg :)

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a bit like a removable SD card only bigger, brighter and more proprietary

I don't believe Jolla announced that the add-on cover will be large removable media, maybe an NFC tag and that's it

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I wish them well

They might be small, and they definitely have one hell of a mountain to climb, but we need another phone OS (or 2) that doesn't lock you into the manufacturers garden. Plus I have a soft spot for Maemo, as it was then, from my N900 owning days.

Only thing is, in one of the shots I've seen elsewhere there was a hint of a fairly tile-esque UI. I'm hoping that's not going to be the case, I really don't like the whole tile metaphor in the world of MS and I'd be disappointed to see it appear here.

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Re: I wish them well

I hear there is a skunkworks project at IBM working on a port of OS/2 Warp for the mobile market.

Certainly I'm not the only one waiting breathlessly for this!

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Re: I wish them well

The UI is similar to that of Swype used in MeeGo. The open application screen is a miniature version of the current app screen. They are in a tile format not not like WP.

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Bought a 9320 after my N900 started to go. Had assumed that my next phone would be a Z10 or a Q10. That might not be the case now. Not willing (or able) to pay a vapourware deposit now but my interest has been piqued.

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I like the Z10, I have one. If you want to write one's own software its a fairly good place to be.

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Why the down vote? Re: Good Luck!

Sometimes I fail to see why people down vote a comment ... I Have to scratch my head and wonder WTF?

I think it was a good idea for these guys to go off and make the phone. Seems some of the Silicon Valley attitude is leaking out on to the world.

I wish them luck because they're taking all of the risks.

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Re: Good Luck!

Agreed with Eadon. I've even sent my 100 Euro to show my hope they will do well.

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N9 Meego....

I have an N9 and am very, very happy with it. The only thing I want it to do that I'm not able to is Viber or Whatsapp. And that is only because the 'phone came before the software. Not the phones fault really. Everything else works like a dream, including Skype and GTalk.

Jolla ? Will certainly consider when it comes to new device time.....

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Re: N9 Meego....

You're stuffed about Viber, but there's an unofficial Whatsapp client for the N9 called Wazzap that works like a charm (while eating battery by the spadeful).

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Re: N9 Meego....

The only thing I want it to do that I'm not able to is Viber or Whatsapp.

Regarding WhatsApp, try downloading the N9 version from openwhatsapp.org - not tried it myself (don't know anyone with WhatsApp), I just know it's there and assuming it works it might help you.

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