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Nokia tweaked the top of its range with a new 4G Windows 8 model today. The aluminium 925 breaks with Nokia’s Stickle Brick garish-coloured plastic design philosophy and offers a more grown-up styling. The camera module is snaffled from the erstwhile flagship, the 920, with optical image stabilisation, spruced up with an extra …

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Anonymous Coward

Hmm... That's a fairly smart looking phone. I like.

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I don't think you will find anyone that disagree's about Nokia's ability to make nice hardware

however Windows Phone sucks badly and makes this is a non-purchase.

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Seriously? Downvotes for personal opinions on a matter of design appreciation?

Words (almost) fail me.

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What's the surprise?

Down votes for anonymous astroturf.

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Of course you get downvoted for praising it.

Didn't you know? No matter how good the phone is, how well made, how stylish, what features it has, all of that is irrelevant, it's a Windows phone. That is enough for the rabid 'nix and Apple Fanbois to downvote anything faintly praiseworthy. Individual opinion, taste and thought is not allowed.

And no, I don't own a Windows phone.

I do, however, appreciate that competition is good for all phone users, regardless of their personal choice in handset.

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Please explain how windows phone 8 sucks so badly AC we all would love to know your obviously intellectual thoughts.

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Finally a voice of reason, was beginning to lose faith!!

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Phone OS wars is now even more stupid than OS wars ever was. Up and down-votes for any sort of opinion (regardless of any argument) are the Pavlovian response of the adherents of each camp.

Still, it goes a long way to paying for this site!

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Re: What's the surprise?

Oh fuck off Tom, I'm no more an astroturfer than you are. People have opinions that differ from yours, it doesn't make them employees or the company you don't like or in their pay: Deal with it.

This pathetic, childish attitude that people seem to have here needs to stop - I have many good reasons for not commenting with my name, but I have been commenting here since you had to personally email the authors.

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"Please explain how windows phone 8 sucks so badly AC"

Where to start.

Poor battery life.

Laggy

Lack of apps

Bugs galore, in particular Bluetooth streaming stuttering to audio devices, disconnects, the promimity sensor is garbage (or the software controlling it is), frequently turns the screen on when it should be off and viceversa, impossible to use the keboard in-call, the browser is pants, lack of sharing options, no way to replace built in app handlers.

The list is pretty much endless. It's much easier to make a list of what's GOOD about Windows Phone.

Looks pretty.

errm, that's it...

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Re: "Please explain how windows phone 8 sucks so badly AC"

@AC 19:37 - Or to put it another way - "I've just culled some random crap from the internet, it may or may not be true, but I want to look like I've tested it."

You do come across as someone who would never like the phone, even if it laid golden eggs.

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Re: What's the surprise?

You're the one that asked.

It may not be astroturf, but that's what it looks like. It's not like you are required to use your real name here, the only difference between posting with an anonymous handle (or even a first name) and using AC is that no one can see what else you have posted. A "personal opinion" posted as AC is not worth a pinch of shit, it only has value when your reputation is attached to it.

Microsoft/Nokia can put "some anonymous person said it looked good" on their next advertisement, I'm sure that will really boost sales.

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Wrong on basically everything in your comments...

Battery life is fine unless you call all day heavy use with no charging unacceptable or with medium use I can go until the next day with no charge.

I have all the apps I need and more are arriving weekly.

Bluetooth playback of media does not stutter on mine.

Proximity sensor could use a little work but it is not terrible as you indicated.

The in call keyboard is fine no clue what you are talking about there.

All in all sounds like you googled and selected a few generic issues with WP then entered here.

It's ok for there to be a good 3rd option for smart phone users btw.

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Re: I don't think you will find anyone that disagree's about Nokia's ability to make nice hardware

I'm afraid that I have to agree.

All my phones except the very first have been Nokias and on the basis of long-standing satisfaction I took another at latest upgrade not paying attention to the fact that it was a Windows phone. Alas the suckage is huge starting with the inability to take a verifiable, readable back-up, going on the the inability to manipulate SMSs via a computer and descending from there to the pits.

I'm cheap, so I won't be replacing it until the next freebie but that will not be a Windows phone and if they offer nothing else it will not be a Nokia however shiny the hardware may seem.

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Shouldn't it be called the 920s?

Ooh it's a bit thinner than the previous model. Bring the Xenon Equipped 928 to the UK market and I may be interested.

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OK, so that's my next phone sorted then

I had hoped for 41Mpixel PureView but guess that's a little way off and you can wait forever. I like my 800 but really do want WP8

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Re: OK, so that's my next phone sorted then

Not going to happen in the near future - the 41MP sensor is too big for the current crop of SoC/GPU's/ISP's that run Windows. I'm biased, but I think the only GPU that supports a sensor this big is the Videocore4 (808 Pureview, RaspberryPi), and that doesn't support Windows.

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I'd probably buy it....

if it came in yellow.

I like thinner, lighter, better screen, better camera.

But I don't like that anything other than a shade of grey is seen as childish - so they don't even give us the choice.

I guess this will at least appeal to Audi and BMW (any colour as long as it's black) drivers....

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Re: I'd probably buy it....

Yes whilst I'm an 'adult' I really liked the thought of owning a bright red or yellow phone.

Sometimes one just has to give in to the inner child.

Its just the SIM free price that puts me off.

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Re: I'd probably buy it....

I'm loving the fact that I'm getting so many thumbs down for simply having a personal preference!

I just think it's sad that Nokia have removed colours as an option. Making a yellow or blue or red one would not suddenly invalidate the grey ones - but the consensus seems to be that less choice is better!

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Re: I'd probably buy it....

> I just think it's sad that Nokia have removed colours as an option.

Not half as sad that Nokia have removed choice of operating systems as an option.

(That's why you're getting your thumbs down, by the way.)

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Re: I'd probably buy it....

My GF & I got a couple of Lumia 720's at the weekend. O2 only had them in black & red, I really wanted the red one but my GF is a Utd fan, so she grabbed the red one.

It really is an excellent phone, and I'd like to see an Android or iPhone that can run from Saturday afternoon until Tuesday morning without needing a charge...

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The wireless charging plates you can attach to the back come in colouts.

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Re: I just think it's sad that Nokia have removed colours as an option

Well, it IS thinner and lighter, so you could do the iPhone thing and get a plastic or rubber case in any colour you wanted... And I love that the AC after you is getting more downvotes for thinking that everyone's downvoting Nokia and WP8

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I'd guess the wireless charging jacket will be available in different colours.

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Not half as sad that Nokia have removed choice of operating systems as an option.

Please list one phone that has a choice of OS.

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Full Metal Jacket?

Not really when its only the surround that's metal and rest is polycarbonate... and only 1GB of RAM what were they thinking?

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Re: Full Metal Jacket?

What's wrong with 1GB RAM? Comparing compute hardware specifications across platforms is meaningless. I want the best balance of power consumption and a smooth user experience. If the sweet spot for WP8 is 1GB then so be it.

16GB outside of Vodafone is a bigger issue for me, especially given the encouragement to use that awesome camera.

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Re: Full Metal Jacket?

That 1GB is enough for that OS?

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1gb RAM is more than enough for a Winpho - my 720 only has 512mb and it's fine

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1gb ram is more than enough for wp8, I've been using 920 since launch in the US, its buttery smooth.

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Re: Full Metal Jacket?

Why the downvotes just for pointing out that Windows Phone 8 runs just fine using a lot less RAM than 'droid phones need?

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It is running Windows 8?

That is nice, it means it will be compatible with all this nice application software and legacy applications.

Oh wait - did you mean Windows phone 8?

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Re: It is running Windows 8?

Interesting, to be downvoted for pointing out, that Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 are two completely different worlds. The Microsoft fanboys didn't like to hear that? Unfortunately it's the truth. You have no real source level compatibility between Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8. Additionally Windows Phone 8 puts you in a not so beautiful walled garden. The number of Apps still sucks and will probably continue to do so. On top of that, I doubt that you will get the chance to escape the garden by jailbreaking, as you would need someone competent to care enough about the OS to create the tools to do so.

But go ahead - downvote what you don't want to hear.

Btw: Please stop calling that phone OS "Windows 8", because it is not and will never be "Windows 8" - for obvious reasons.

Oh one more thing - I don't doubt that it is a nice, sleek OS, that it has it's uses and everything. It might not be for me, but I don't claim to be market relevant. And as we all know the Amiga is much better than the Atari ST and will thrive forever...

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Re: It is running Windows 8?

"You have no real source level compatibility between Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8."

Maybe not for the UI but you can share the Business Logic and for some apps you might get away with sharing the viewmodel. But that depends.

In case you're really interested and not just trolling: http://vimeo.com/53068482

And I read somewhere more and more APIs are being merged.

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@Sentient : Re: It is running Windows 8?

Interesting, thanks for the link.

If they can solve out the source compatibility issue to an extend that people can write apps for both, the desktop and the phone without too much trouble, it would be an enormous step forward for the platform.

In such a case the move to TIFKAM might actually give them an edge instead of being a hindrance and it would pay off in the long run.

They have to get their act together very soon, however. Nokia made some beautiful phones, lately, but they will need more than that to compete against Apple and Samsung. They will most of all need to keep a healthy income.

I really, really wonder how a company with Microsoft's resources could make such a basic mistake. What kind of enormous screw-up happened to put them in such a situation?

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Nice looking device, shame about the ecosystem.

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Can't help but think...

... that the comment about the Windows OS being crap comes from someone who hasn't spent a great deal of time with it. Windows Phone 8 (or 7.8 that I currently have on my much loved Lumia 800) is intuitive and quick to respond. And doesn't it make a change from those oh-so-tiresome little squares from Apple and Android?

As for the comment regarding RAM, the Windows OS has never needed masses of it to work like lightning so there's no point in putting more cost into the handset when it's not going to be utilised.

So, assuming Apple and Android stick with their generic layouts, I'm sticking with a new Windows Handset when my contract expires in a year's time and, most likely, it'll be a trusty old Nokia.

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Re: Can't help but think...

Of course they haven't used Windows Phone 8, they hate it Windows in all its many flavours as a matter of faith (or dogma) and so won't.

They just haven't figured out that it's a self-defeating loop - now if they'd tried it for a while then they could say how much they dislike it with a clear conscience....

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16GB?

Can this be expanded? If so its a yes, if no its a maybe, with such a great camera and so little space for photos, my music alone takes up 10GB on my current phone...

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Re: 16GB?

The Nokia site doesn't list any memory expansion in the 925's specifications

http://www.nokia.com/gb-en/phones/phone/lumia925/specifications/

so it looks like you're out of luck with expansion - all it suggests is 7GB of free SkyDrive storage as an external option.

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Re: 16GB?

It's got a sealed battery, so I suspect no SD card. It was the Lumia 820 that had the SD slot wasn't it? Seems pretty stupid in my opinion.

At least when Apple make this decision it's so they can make you pay £200 to upgrade from 16GB to 64GB for yummy profits. I suppose deliberate evil is better than incompetent crapness...

Most other manufacturers don't seem to want to give you more than 32GB. My music collection is 20GB, plus I like to listen to podcasts on the way to work. Storage is cheap, I'd love to stop carrying a separate mp3 player, but so far I've not found a phone that does it, at sensible cost.

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I've spent more than enough time (6m+) with it and the lack of an ecosystem is totally shit. Yes it makes a change, like taking a shit in your bed makes a change. It's a "nearly" OS and I'm sure it has its fans like the amstrad machines did back in the speccy vs c64 days.

Can we please have an end to the drivel about "if you'd only tried it..." and "those who use it love it". I did, and I didn't. I own both an iphone and a few android devices and I can say that I don't feel any inclination to return to WP8 ever.

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"ecosystem"

It's a smartphone, not a rainforest. Let's have an actual specific criticism rather than marketing buzzspeak.

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Please expand on totally shit, would like to get details from someone clearly as disgusted with it as you....

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You didn't like it. Fair enough. Others might. I don't think there's anything much wrong with the OS, it just makes different design choices to Android. It's horses for courses. A lack of ecosystem is no problem to people who don't want apps.

I have to say though that I find it hard to justify the top-end Lumia's because of that. If you're shelling out £500 anyway, get an iPhone or a Samsung Galaxy 4. With decent app stores. I upgraded from my Lumia 710 a few months ago, and the MS Marketplace was still pretty crap then. But the cheap handsets are nice, as long as you don't want to do anything that WP can't.

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Can we please have an end to the drivel about "I don't like it so it's totally shit"? And how does the selection of apps define the OS as a 'nearly' OS? Does that make iOS and Linux 'nearly' OSs too?

So you can't post pics of your breakfast with the official Instagram app (yet). The app selection is growing steadily.

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Oops, I meant 'OS-X', not 'iOS'

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Sure... I just hate the fact the there's no real support in the wider app world for the devices. Just looking at the 20-30ish apps I have on my iphone then I only get 2 in the windows store and about 3 where I get the functionality online. None of my banking stuff, no BBC or Sky to watch the footie when I'm out, no ski tracker, no guitar tuner... just a snapshot of the things I can do with my iphone that I can't do with my Win Phone. There's just so much around the iOS and Android worlds and so much choice that removing it feels like reverting to a featurephone.

I'm not disputing that the OS is "slick", "lasts for hours" or is "funky" but without all the other "stuff" and an engaged world, it just feels like you're always on the outside and missing out.

And for the record, I've never used Instagram in my life and I hate the iphone but love the world that revolves around it.

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Actually, I was just drawing attention to the fact that the world around the device is crappy. It should merit a mention, particularly when it really is the thing that makes a £500 smartphone really worthwhile.

And yes, Linux is a "nearly" OS. I have no bad feelings toward Win Phone or other "nearly" OSes, just giving some feedback that many people may be disappointed with the experience, regardless of the device.

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