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Today, Nokia launched its best smartphone to date: the Lumia 925. I got some hands-on time with the Windows Phone 8-powered device - and a tour of the gadget by shoegaze icon Nokia senior veep of product management Kevin Shields, who explained some of the key design decisions. It's a covetable bit of kit - but with iPhones and …

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Unhappy

Hmmmm

Same old same old. Nokia need to get ahead of the curve and not just sit back with a poor update to an already poor handset. Oh and get rid of WM too!

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Re: Hmmmm

Yes but, another phone with no SD card and a fixed battery?

In August Apple will introduce an iPhone with an SD card slot and removable battery, then claim the patent for it.

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Re: Hmmmm

They can't. Nokia launched the smartphone with these features years ago so any challenge in court would go to Nokia.

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Re: Hmmmm

As updates go it's err, pathetic.

They added a whole extra camera lens - wow!

They should have released it at the same time as the 920 and just made it the option that doesn't have QI.

For people that don't want to feel like they're brandishing a piece of 2x4 when answering the phone.

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beyond a joke

This is getting ridiculous. Nokia either just don't get it or their design team need some sort of cathartic release. Yet again we see another sexy piece of hardware from Nokia that is handicapped with an OS that no one really wants.

Elop will be out on his ass by the end of the year. Taking his MSGR exclusivity agreement with him.

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@Shagbag Re: beyond a joke

No wants this OS??

"making Windows Phone the fastest growing OS sequentially."

http://wmpoweruser.com/canalys-estimates-windows-phone-grew-27-between-q4-2012-and-q1-2013/

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Re: beyond a joke

Nokia that is handicapped with an OS that no one really wants.

Nokia that is handicapped with an OS that i haven't used and am not really qualified to talk about.

There, fixed that for you.

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Re: @Shagbag beyond a joke

http://wmpoweruser.com/canalys-estimates-windows-phone-grew-27-between-q4-2012-and-q1-2013/

Grows 27% from where?

Android 149.8 (Q4 '12) --grows to---> 163.5 (Q1 '13) million units shipped

WiPho 5.1 (Q4 '12) --grows to---> 6.5 (Q1 '13) million units shipped

A drop in the bucket.

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Re: @Shagbag beyond a joke

"No wants this OS??

"making Windows Phone the fastest growing OS sequentially.""

Talk about seeing what you want to. While I won't touch on the impartiality of wmpoweruser.com, Windows Phone may have the highest growth %, but based on that un-sourced table, Windows Phone sold 1.4 million more phones compared to the previous quarter, whereas Android sold 13.7 million more phones than the previous quarter.

So while Windows Phone may have 27% growth, they still sold 12.3 million less units than Android between Q4 and Q1.

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Re: beyond a joke

>Nokia that is handicapped with an OS that i haven't used and am not really qualified to talk about.

There, fixed that for you.

Indeed, I've managed perfectly fine with feature phones until a year ago, when I got an Android phone... I get on well with it, but I can't imagine it is the only way of skinning the cat. I've invested next to sod-all on apps... a couple I find very useful, but I've hardly scratched the surface of the thousands that are available for Android.

I imagine my next handset will be Android, but can't see anything wrong with some competition.

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Re: @Shagbag beyond a joke

2009 Nokia sold 100 million Symbian smartphones.

2010 Nokia sold 134 million Symbian smartphones.

So that was a net increase of 34 million and year over year growth of 34%. So for the past two years Nokia hasn't even been able to come close to that additional 34 million got all Lumia models combined. If Symbian was a burning platform, what is WP? Symbian had more of a future than WP ever will.

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"Nokia that is handicapped with an OS that i haven't used and am not really qualified to talk about.

There, fixed that for you."

Nokia who screwed me over with their crappy Compal made LUMIA 800!!!

There fixed that for you!

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Re: beyond a joke

Actually its the other way around. A pretty decent piece of software running on a county, plasticky poorly build lump of hardware.

I was thinking of buying a 920 until I picked one up. Overweight and flimsy at the same time -- quite an achievement.

Some one needs to explain to Nokia that one really good phone is better than a range of 50 c*** phones.

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Re: @Shagbag beyond a joke

Fastest Growing?

http://xkcd.com/1102/

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"Windows Phone the fastest growing OS sequentially"

It's easy to grow the fastest when you come from a very low base.

WinPho with a 27% growth rate = increase of 1.4m quarter-on-quarter.

Android with a 9% growth rate = increase of 13.7m quarter-on-quarter.

Look at the Q12013 numbers Android was shipped on 163.5m phones, while WinPho was shipped on 6.5m phone. So for every person that bought a WinPho, 25 others bought an Android. Like I said, no-one is really that interested in WinPho and it's been that case for some time now.

Elop will be out by the end of the year and his MSFT exclusivity agreement will be thrown out with him.

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Re: @Shagbag beyond a joke

You know that Microsoft own the wmpoweruser site? It's just a astroturfing site. Check the domain owners and spend a couple of minutes tracing the path back to Microsoft's viral marketing agencies...

I wouldn't trust too much you read there. Microsoft are pouring vast amounts of money into the media to convince users to buy Windows Phone, just like they did to convince the world they needed Xbox when Playstation when Playstation was the dominant player.

The Android FUD right now is coming from the same orrifice as the PS3 FUD a few years back. It's how Microsoft work, pay the media to post crap about the competition, convince everyone to take something "as competition is good for the consumer, so buy our crap" yadaydayada...

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@cornhole

"Nokia that is handicapped with an OS that i have used and am qualified to talk about"

Fixed that for you. I've stated elsewhere on El Reg that I had a WinPho for a number of months before dumping it. Do your homework. Idiot.

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Re: beyond a joke

I wouldn't take this if it was free, because of W8.

If Nokia made Android phones, they'd make Samsung an also-ran.

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Re: beyond a joke

Have you used it?

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Re: beyond a joke

Overweight, yes, flimsy, no.

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Re: beyond a joke

Windows Phone 8, has the same issue as Windows Phone 7 for me. Microsoft seem to like causing clipping atefacts. For example:

The screensaving clock can appear partially off screen and to indicate there is a scroll page to the left they show you the first character/part of the right hand page (but not the left). This drives me nuts, I love the different approach and every windows phone is as slick as butter but the fact puts me right off.

I have noticed a certain attitude which is good for Nokia/Microsoft, my little sisters has had problems with the wireless charging, bluetooth and the wifi (two replacement units). So far all her rage has been at O2 rather than the poorly working units. Where as the slightest problem on her Nexus S was always Googles fault. I've seen this was the 3 people I know with WP8 phones.

Another problem with Windows 8 phones is how identical they all are, MS need to let manufacturers have a little more flexibility with the form factor. I've seen people get disapointed that their new andriod phone still has the same user interface. Windows Phone 7/8 phones are really quite close in appearence which I think will put people off upgrading.

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Re: beyond a joke

Flimsy???

You are joking?? Have you seen some of the destructive tests people have done on the 920??

Its anything but flimsy!!!!

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Re: @cornhole /

Dear Idiot.

I have. You are either: Eadon in disguise or a shill.

Either way, you are to WP what flEadon is to windows.

Full of pointless diatribe.

Eadon and Shagbag sitting in a tree. S.H.I.L.L.I.N.G.

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Come upgrade time this will have been replaced, but until then I want one of these more than I want world peace. It's beautiful

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Not what I was waiting for

So, same processor, memory, battery, software as the 920. No SD card or removable battery or Xenon flash like the 920...and they've removed wireless charging (except by buying an add on?)

No, not what I was waiting for to upgrade my N8, was hoping for the rumoured Lumia EOS with a proper Pureview lens, HDMI out and FM transmitter with expandable storage.

Sorry Nokia, I've waited a long time for something worth upgrading to but my patience may well have run out.

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Re: Not what I was waiting for

Exactly my predicament... funny how the N8 is still! the most versatile converged device.

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Re: Not what I was waiting for

The 920 doesn't have xenon flash... I think that was only on the new 928.

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EOS should be out later this year with 1080p, 41mp and all the trimmings....

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Re: Not what I was waiting for

Me too - I was expecting a true Windows Pureview phone and naturally expected it to be superior to my current 808 Pureview. Prior to the 808 I had the N8.

Nokia pushed Symbian to be extremely usable (and I'd say - still - superior in many ways to Android and iOS) in its latter phones such as the N8 and 808.

I don't have an irrational "hatred" of MS, but based on the recent hype expected a true successor to the 808 from an OS that is still I think, a beta or incomplete (for a 2013 mobile OS) product.

I was extremely disappointed that I was unable to buy the Meego powered N9 in the UK (or anywhere other than Timbuktu or the dark side of the moon) and that Nokia abandoned what was a very promising platform.

I wonder where Nokia and its ecosystem would now be had Meego not been abandoned.

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Re: Not what I was waiting for

The only replacement for an N8 is a 808Pureview. but hey, Nokia don't want punters to buy THAT one!

FU Nokia!

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Anonymous Coward

Re: Not what I was waiting for

Windows Phone is not capable of the processing grunt required for the proper Pureview (not the 920 Pureview branding that put it on par with an Xperia Arc from 2012).

You have a long wait. if you want a REALLY good phone that's a REALLY good camera too, then the Xperia Z is really your only choice.

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Damn

I first read that as 'Elop should be out later this year'.

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Re: Not what I was waiting for

I'll 2nd that. The N8 is my first ever symbian phone and it just works - fantastic battery life, solid design, and has enough decent apps it can be used on the car console (sweet driving mode+maps).

My N9 is lovely too (from Malayasia apparently), but battery life is not even close to the N8. Screen is wonderful, and the linux is reassuring. You can hit an icon and broadcast the phone to your desktop, social media etc..

We'll all just have to see what the Jolla/Sailfish folks can bring out...

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Re: Not what I was waiting for

I feel your pain; I held out very long with my N8 and eventually gave up due to the internet experience becoming more and more painful. The CPU and RAM just can't keep up with today's big and Javascript-heavy sites. Now if Nokia would unlock the bootloaders on the Lumias so someone can port Android/Jolla/Ubuntu/etc :)

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Not what I was waiting for either

Can we get OS choices anytime soon, Nokia?

You're like a restaurant offering a single dish. These are modern times, people like choice and they don't like to downgrade their software options. There are no onsite CAD and measurement taking apps on windows, there are no Pro-level audio recording, sequencing, synthesis apps on Windows the list of not available stuff goes on and on. Some of the app types they do claim to have 'available' are so barebones, they don't deserve the name.

Some people say: "soon they will have the same quality apps as iOS and Android" That'll be great, but "soon" is certainly no reason to buy a device now, cause it'll be discontinued long before the great apps happen there.

No replaceable battery and no SD slot is also a downgrade. A terminal downgrade.

And while I don't like Samsung completely dominating the industry, they dominate because they actually read what people want and build their products accordingly, offering things like SD slots and replaceable batteries of high capacity and a variety of operating systems. Samsung is like a big bakery, any size or flavor of bread or cake you want, they probably have it.

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The best just got better...

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Tend to disagree with that comment. The good just got more widely available is probably how I would describe it.

I think all the feature phones on all platforms are as good as each other it just comes down to personal preference (mine is wp8 currently) the 925 looks nice but 16gb storage and no built in wireless charging are not the best way to sell a device to potentially new customers who you want to convince to move from android.

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Trollface

Ta da...

"The best just got better......" The new Galaxy S4.

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Anonymous Coward

The best just got better...

Indeed, as Samsung just released the S4 ;)

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Meh

Windows Phone, so no.

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Anonymous coward so mehhh

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Re: Meh

Why?

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Re: Meh

No SD card, no removable battery, so no. Not now, not ever.

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Anonymous Coward

Re: Meh

you mispelled that, let me fix it for you

Windblows Phone, so no.

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(Microsoft still doesn't support music sync over Wi-Fi.)

I'm sure Zune is always telling me I can set up my device for wireless updates.

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Agreed which is annoying although you can sync through the cloud.

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