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Apple has ratcheted-up its patent-infringment attack on Samsung, asking the US District Court of California to add Sammy's new smartphone flagship, the Galaxy S 4, to the list of products that Apple alleges violate its patents. That handset was launched with hella hoopla this March (and reviewed by The Reg this Monday), and is …

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Apple didn't ask for triple damages (they asked for roughly an extra 30% based on a jury finding of bad faith, triple is the statutory maximum only awarded in extreme circumstances) nor did the judge "trim" the amount awarded. What happened in that case was the amount was referred back to jury trial for decision on the correct amount, there being some confusion over the original calculation. The result may be anything from zero to much more than the original award, depending on how the new jury feel.

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Man, Apple and their 30% cut...

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You have got to feel some sympathy with Apple..... Haven't you?

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Hopefully the judge will see sense...

...and tell them to fuck off and only come back when they can behave like grown ups.

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Re: Hopefully the judge will see sense...

GO APPLE. APPLE FTW.

ETC.

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Hands up those surprised?

However you view this case, or whomever's in the right (or that it's both handbags at dawn), this is pretty much to be expected.

The next step, however, is for Samsung to take advantage of Apple's keeping to 22 devices and to announce 25 more devices, titled Samsung Galaxy A to Galaxy Z (They already have an S), so that they still have 4 outside the scope of the suit.

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Since they are so far down that road anyway, why don't Apple do a Bose or Bissell and concentrate on advertising to the bewildered in publications like People's Friend or Reader's Digest?

Do they do Bakelite in white?

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> Do they do Bakelite in white?

yep. Think light switches. Rounded corners and all.

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Lets see if they get their newspaper apology right this time

It would be so embarrassing if they were told they apologised wrong and had to do it again. And again.

Oh, wait...

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I blame Microsoft

Captain Ahab Apple still going after Moby Dick Samsung.

Wasn't that all about the all-consuming desire for vengeance destroying the one that sought it?

This will only hasten Apple's predictable decline, they've run out of things to innovate (like Dyson).

The Apple watch - YAWN. The Apple belt-buckle. The Apple lawn-mower. The Apple skid proof underpants.

The iPod is dead. The ipad / iphone are like remixing the SAME song ad infinitum, or listening to Status Quo.

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"Captain Ahab Apple still going after Moby Dick Samsung."

Wouldn't Apple be Moby Dick? They want an arm and a leg from Samsung and so far have only got the leg [1], and of course their whales are available in white.

Yeah, yeah, call me iShmael.

[1] Though Samsung do still have a leg to stand on.

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wow. almost twenty minutes without a new patent suit

The lawyers aren't working hard enough! I blame the good weather.

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Before Apple unleashed their lawyers

there was a reasonable chance that I might at some stage buy an Apple product, if it suited my needs.

That is no longer the case.

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Design Patents right? Didn't they Apple loose that battle in the UK or are these different round corners they are talking about??

It seems like one step across the pond and you have the insane USPTO, yet our European patent office and judges are making sense... plus they are less likely to judge in favour of a US company over a Korean one!

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The did indeed. The only territory in the world to find that way. Incidentally, that judge now works for Samesung. Make of that what you will.

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My goodness, will your total fucking bullshit never end?

Sir Robin Jacob does not work for Samsung, he is acting as an expert witness. The only site that even makes a claim that he works for them is the Daily Fail. I'm guessing you're one of their readers. Or if you're American, a Fox News watcher.

If I see a robbery and testify in court, am I working for the victim?

Fuck off back to the bridge you crawled out from under.

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Paris Hilton

When did Apple patent "being better than Apple"?

Thanks to my work I have both a Galaxy S4 and an iPhone5.

Its not even close the S4 is light years ahead of the iPhone5 unless being better than Apple has been patented!

Paris, even she knows when to stop

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Re: When did Apple patent "being better than Apple"?

The S3 is a generation ahead of the iPhone5. The S4 is two.

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Cars

It's like Ford trying to sue every car manufacturer out of existence as they all have round wheels.

I would have the tiniest sympathy for Apple if they'd INVENTED the stuff, but all they did was improve somebody else's idea. Well done for improving it, but you can't claim OWNERSHIP of it.

They didn't invent the mobile phone. They didn't invent a touchscreen. They didn't invent a tablet computer - I have an advert from 1991 showing a tablet device. Get over yourselves Apple. You're actually coming across like a billion tons of sour grapes. This will put people off Apple who MAY have considered buying their products before. Apple - the company that thought it could do no wrong..... This is where their bubble burst.

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Oh, sod off, Apple

Had enough of their shit. They didn't invent the phone, they didn't invent the touchscreen phone, they didn't invent virtual software stores, they didn't invent sliding bolts. They didn't even have the first 3G devices. They didn't invent rounded rectangles. Bouncy zoom? We're just applying some real life physics in the form elastic to the animation, not exactly ground breaking, I'm sure most games have effects that are more novel in that are simply written and nobody would think to patent them.

Ugh. Shut up, Apple, you just look like a big, whiny baby. How about you spend that fat cash you've used on litigation on simply making a better product that people want, and let the people decide on the most desirable shiny devices.

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"How about you spend that fat cash on making a better product "

Because their proprietary closed shop prevents it. As the outsiders with the unique product, their R&D team has to try and beat the combined resources of every other phone manufacturer all by itself. It's not reasonable to expect them to beat everyone, and so now the field has caught up Apple will never be top of the line again. Since the sole justification for their inflated prices is that iProducts are top of the line, if Apple want to keep their position as top dog they have no recourse except to litigate.

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Re: "How about you spend that fat cash on making a better product "

I disagree. Apple is free to license tech from any of the other companies, they just have to pay the patent tariff like everybody else. If their R&D department does come up with something new, they can keep it to themselves and make that their case for best of breed.

Except all of that is based on the false assumption that Apple started by being the best of breed. Jobs never actually made money that way. He made money by being the coolest. The best example of that was the Mac vs. Windows guy commercials. The Mac dude was cool, the PC guy was a dweeb. The Mac dude always had a zippy zinger, the PC guy always fumbled his come back. Sure he let you believe the Mac was a technically superior product, but he never explicitly made that claim. He made other claims (mostly true) that cause you to think he made the argument that the product was technically superior, but not the actual technically superior claim. The problem at Apple is they have either forgotten that or never knew it, only Jobs did. And with him gone, so is their edge.

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Re: "How about you spend that fat cash on making a better product "

Only problem with the Mac PC commercials is that eventually it backfired and people started loving the goofy PC guy more than Justin Longs character. Snarkey cool dude only goes so far before it starts looking like smug cool dude, which no one cares for...

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Don't you just want to bitch slap apple

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No more than I want to bitch slap Samesung. Could happen to a more vile company.

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No idea who Samesung is. I guess it's a Chinese clone of Samsung?

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An AC has posted twice with the same mis-spelling of Samsung. Likely to be the same one, first making unsupportable slurs against Professor Sir Robin Jacobs, and now referring to Samsung as "vile". S/he probably thinks it is funny - Same-sung, as in "the same as Apple". S/he probably also works for Apple ...

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I don't work for Apple, I can assure you of that. I'm AC because it pisses you all off more. Samesung have been proven to use shills on the other hand. As for unsupportable claims:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/14/samsung_boss_guilty_free/

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/07/samsung_heg_underage_workers/

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57559324/group-says-it-found-child-workers-at-samsung-supplier-factory/

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"I don't work for Apple, I can assure you of that. I'm AC because it pisses you all off more. Samesung have been proven to use shills on the other hand. As for unsupportable claims:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/14/samsung_boss_guilty_free/

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/07/samsung_heg_underage_workers/

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57559324/group-says-it-found-child-workers-at-samsung-supplier-factory/"

Yeah cos Apple have an absolutely stellar record of only buying components from suppliers who treat and pay their workers fairly, and none of their staff have ever, EVER taken part in illegal actions or untrustworthiness.

Oh, Wait...

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DRendar:

Silly, silly little boy. Samesung's make any of Apple look positively saintly. You see, Apple have responded to their critics over working practices with positive action. Samesung made it "go away" and denies all knowledge. Apple have never been caught outright paying shills to astroturf on internet forums. I linked 3 recent stories. Instead of a cocky, but ultimately vacuous "Oh, wait...", how about doing the same? When you idiots finally wake up and smell the beans, you'll realise that Samesung have made utter mugs out of you. No matter what you think of Apple, Microsoft or any other business, none even come close to being as vile and underhand as Samesung.

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Hey, Apple!

Fuck you.

Why not invent something? Oh, wait, you only copy shit. Whatever. Then copy shit.

Your phones are years behind Samsung, you crappy wall of icons OS is years behind Android, so I can see how it would be obvious when you return to what you do best, copying.

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Irony?

"Why not invent something? Oh, wait, you only copy shit. Whatever. Then copy shit."

That precisely what Samesung have been found guilty of time and time again.

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Re: Irony?

Third time - Apple troll is trolling.

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Re: Irony?

Haven't you anything better to do? Does my opinion upset you that much that you feel the need to point it out with a cry of "Look Mummy! He's being mean about my Samesung..."? Tit.

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Now that's interesting, seems the mix of apple defenders and attackers has markedly changed over the course of these patent cases, I only saw one defender here, and that looks like a poe. While Apple may win this case and the next, the one thing that any seller of mass market premium goods relies on is public opinion, thier billions may keep them going for a while, but unless they change something that pile is eventually going to get smaller instead of bigger.

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@Steve Brooks

Agreed.

It's even more interesting that so many lawyers who formerly worked for SCO found work at Apple.

(ok I don't know that they've actually moved there, but it sure seems like they're sporting the same 'tude.)

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Let the products do the talking...

Not the lawyers.

If Apple were truly an elightened, friendly organisation with a genuine desire to build innovative products which improved the quality of their users' lives, they would have the good grace to accept when theyve been bettered by their competitors, and would be spending their vast reserves of cash on R&D, not on lawyers.

As it is, the tidal wave of bad feeling generated by this un ending series of petty, tit-for-tat legal cases is already having a detrimental impact on their share price and popularity and goes to show that even they realise that they are no longer the benchmark...

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For some people no amount of bad press for Apple make a difference on whether they will continue to buy idevices.

My girlfriend is determined she wants to get an iPhone even though i have pointed out that all the apps she wants to use are available on Android and she can get a nexus for a fraction of the cost of the iphone but its like talking to a brick wall when it comes to Apple fans.

Apple may have not invented the smartphone but they are certainly the masters of getting cult like worship for their tech.

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Here's a though. Maybe, just maybe, she had a different opinion to you. Maybe, just maybe, all she hears is her nerdy boyf blathering on like a fanboy about *his* preferred platform, because that *exactly* what you sound like to me...

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Well it's a shame that you don't say that to the Apple users then - I've lost track of the number of them who'll go on about how "revolutionary" their Apple feature phone is, or how everyone should use MacProBooks because they do. They don't seem to get it that, maybe, the rest of us have different points of view, and maybe prefer to use something different.

And I bet that everyone who buys a Nexus phone or tablet is aware of Apple's products, and has considered which to buy. Sadly the number of people who think the iphone or iphad is the only option seems quite high.

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Grizzly poop found in woods

Apple still incapable of actually innovating.

Defo getting that S4 at the end of the month now, I'll consider it my donation to the Samsung legal fund.

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Re: Grizzly poop found in woods

As if Samesung are any fucking different!

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Re: Grizzly poop found in woods

Well, if Samsung has a feature on a phone that Apple doesn't, you can't say they copied it.

Only a cretin would support the nonsense rounded-corners-patent-themed bullshit, too, unless you truly think having something with pointy corners in your pocket is an obvious design choice.

As always, the Apple Cultist is AC.

No shit. Except for the Grizzly variety in a forest setting.

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Re: Grizzly poop found in woods

Samesung?

All these companies I never knew about. If it wasn't for comments sections, I'd never know that "M$" was a company, or "Micro$oft" either. Still can't find them registered anywhere. I guess there are some people out there who just have intimate knowledge of obscure businesses that sound like large corporations!

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Re: Grizzly poop found in woods

Frankly, only a cretin would support Samsung in any endeavour.

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Re: Grizzly poop found in woods

Cretins also overlook all that IP that Samsung has developed to enable them and their licensees to fabricate the displays, processors, flash memory and DRAM that Apple re-badges and markets as their own invention. Ironically Apple are one of the few outfits that could afford to build some fabs and license the necessary IP, they choose not to do this, preferring instead to litigate against their suppliers.

If Apple were to start fabbing some display panels, or even a little bit of DRAM themselves I might give them some credit for effort on the IP front. Until that happy day they are no different from a bunch of lawyers paying a highly skilled competitor to put boxes together in the shape, material and finish they specify.

That kind of stupidity is special enough that I will allow Apple some credit for a unique invention for it.

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@Piro

It's "Micro$haft" not "Micro$oft"!

If you're going to criticize these things, at least get the names right!

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Another lost sale

Recently I was going to buy a Mac ... then Apple got all childish and started suing world plus dog. I bought an Acer laptop instead.

Recently I was going to upgrade my work phone to an IP5 .... then Apple got all childish and started suing world plus dog. I upgraded to an S4 instead.

Recently I wanted a tablet for my kids ... looked at an iPad mini .... then Apple got all childish and started suing world plus dog ...... I bought a Galaxy Tab instead.

So congratulations to Apple for driving my business away and good luck in trying to get it out of your competitors. I will never be buying an Apple product based on this type of behavior ...

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Re: Another lost sale

My cousin, a dedicated appleist must-have type...

Just bought a Samsung TV and an S4. He's left apple behind too, no prompting from me, either, came to his own purchasing conclusion completely under his own steam, he's seen my S3 but never played with it. In his own words 'The Samsung has so many features the iphone didn't have it's going to take a while to get used to it.'

So there you have it, Samsung are copying the non-existent features as well as the existing ones, obviously.

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