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Apple's next version of OS X may provide welcome relief to users dismayed by the company's seemingly inexorable evolution from computer manufacturer to consumer-electronics company, if unnamed sources speaking to 9to5Mac are to believed. According to those sources, OS X 10.9 – oddly codenamed "Cabernet"* in the closely guarded …

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PathFinder

By far the best. Been using it for years and it's rock solid with a raft of really useful tools.

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Its ok - I just found it a bit slow.

I tried this a few weeks ago and find it really great - and free.

Xtrafinder - tabs, colour, directories at the top, right click create a file, yada yada.

2 weeks on and I'm loving it.

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Finder: a disgrace

There's no excuse for having to use a plug-in or hack like PathFinder to fix glaring and elementary deficiencies in a FILE BROWSER. Finder stands as an insult to users and an embarrassment to Apple year after year.

A file browser that doesn't even sort properly (with folders AT THE TOP of sorted lists)? That doesn't show you WHERE search results have been found (because there's no path shown for each hit)? That doesn't start searches in the selected folder by default, or even offer that as an option. That doesn't create a new folder within the selected folder when you say "New folder", but instead creates it at the root of the volume (which is often off-screen). That litters your computer and any others you browse with DS_STORE turds, to save display options and other crap instead of storing it LOCALLY.

What kind of inbred thought process leads a programmer to design a file browser that spews files onto every OTHER computer it visits? That's just offensive. Not to mention a totally defective design, since the next person who browses that same directory will overwrite the turds you left.

Finder was supposed to be "rewritten from the ground up" years ago. What happened? Nothing. It's the same defective POS it's always been.

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Got a mac, and installed Ubuntu - Finder was the primary reason. You've covered most of them. Here's a couple more:

- No single-key way to open a file. Isn't finding, and then opening, files, the main reason for Finder?

- Drag & drop a file into a folder, it stops exactly where you let go of the mouse button, instead of correctly slotting into the folder list where you would expect (according to the current sort method)

- No folders at the top? What are you smoking, apple?

- No tabs - this is hardly the cutting edge of innovation any more

Since the primary use of an OS is to find and launch programmes and files, getting the browser right is absolutely critical. OSX fails so hard at this it makes baby Jesus cry.

The whole OS is kind of like this - full of broken philosophy, inconsistent ideas and nonsense user interface decisions. In usability, Windows is a hell of a lot better, and that's not a compliment.

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I had no idea this program existed - thank you for the heads up.

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Plus Mac OS-X has nearly as many known vulnerabilites as a Linux distribution. About 1,800 now....

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OS-X doesnt even support touch yet. Lol @ 'power users' on a Mac. Funny.

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No, powerusers use "touch" in a terminal window!

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Holy crap, are they actually going to improve the core functionality of OSX, rather than adding on more and more iOS gimmicks? The next version might actually be worth the upgrade price!

Just adding tabs isn't enough for Finder, though. That just gives you two panels of the worst base file manager of any operating system. And yes, OSX users, I am including Windows Explorer.

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forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

> The next version might actually be worth the upgrade price!

That is if you have paid up on your cool club dues and have bought an Apple recently enough. Otherwise they will try to prevent you from even upgrading. Pretty sad when a bunch of hobbyists can provide a boot loader (Chameleon) that allows me to run the latest Mac OS X on my Mac (still annoying because its basically a hackintosh) but Apple can't. Also pathetic that Linux and even Windows 8 support my Mac but Apple doesn't.

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It's pretty cost effective to upgrade a Mac by selling it and buying a new one. Unlike the market for used PCs, the market for used Macs is pretty active. It's not uncommon for people to pay half retail for a Mac that's 4-5 years old. I've done this several times.

And unlike other OSs, it's stupid easy to transfer your stuff from one Mac to the other. Just clone your drive to an external one or whatever, point a fresh copy of OS X at it, and after about half an hour you won't be able to tell the difference between your new Mac and the old one.

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Upgrading a Mac is a lot cheaper than having to buy a Windows upgrade, or down grade.

I still like the idea that I can run Win 7 in parallel without a fuss, without bother, without effort.

Best of both worlds.

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Someone's probably pointed out that in a time of falling financial figures the best way to secure your long-term future isn't to chase infinitely more flexible companies like Samsung for the low-margin, high-volume world of consumer electronics but to build a base in the low-volume, high-margin worlds of loyal power users and enterprise. Apple survived its last financial apocalypse because designers and video editors and arty types the world over bought macs because they'd always bought macs. It makes sense to try and rebuild that insurance.

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It's pretty cost effective to upgrade a Mac by selling it and buying a new one. Unlike the market for used PCs, the market for used Macs is pretty active. It's not uncommon for people to pay half retail for a Mac that's 4-5 years old. I've done this several times.

It's OK that Apple force you to buy unnecessary new hardware, because that hardware isn't quite as exorbitantly expensive if you manage to sell your existing hardware after you've forked out for the new one?

And unlike other OSs, it's stupid easy to transfer your stuff from one Mac to the other. Just clone your drive to an external one or whatever, point a fresh copy of OS X at it, and after about half an hour you won't be able to tell the difference between your new Mac and the old one.

Oh sweet! So it'll transfer my development environment, and my servers, and my VMs, and my Kubuntu partition, and my Windows one?

No? Then perhaps upgrades are a better idea.

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And unlike other OSs, it's stupid easy to transfer your stuff from one Mac to the other. Just clone your drive to an external one or whatever, point a fresh copy of OS X at it, and after about half an hour you won't be able to tell the difference between your new Mac and the old one.

Pretty obvious you don't know much about other OSs then, because you can do that with pretty much any of them.

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I know, I'm hoghly upset the latest copy of OSX doesn't run on my early 90's mac. They just don't care.

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>It's pretty cost effective to upgrade a Mac by selling it and buying a new one.

Yeah because that is not a hassle at all. I thought the whole point to Apple was avoiding the hassle.

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>I know, I'm hoghly upset the latest copy of OSX doesn't run on my early 90's mac. They just don't care.

Oh like the the iPAD 1 not being allowed to run IOS 6. You know expecting OS support for a whole 2.5 years is unreasonable after all or maybe Apple just cares so much they don't want to curse their early adopters with their crap map app.

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>I know, I'm hoghly upset the latest copy of OSX doesn't run on my early 90's mac. They just don't care.

Also did you miss the part where I pointed out that the latest Mac OS X runs absolutely brilliant on my hardware once I hacked around Apple's attempt to try and force me to spend another $2500? Completely artificial constraints and why their share price is falling like a rock under Tim Cook. He has all the douchebaggery of Jobs without any of the talent.

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what is the best file manager? As a Linux user I think my favorite file manager is the two pane explorer from XP days, not fond of the newer windows 7/win2k8+ one that tries to be more dynamic in the left pane, drives me nuts..

just curious.

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half serious

Without a doubt Thunar. Flame on!

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Re: forced obsolescence, Apple douchebaggery

That's how I do it, I get 50% of my original cost back at the three year mark and I buy a new one.

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Its not a hassle, I have people WAITING for my old Macs. If I wanted to I could put it on Craigslist in a few hours.

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>If I wanted to I could put it on Craigslist in a few hours.

Nobody creepy ever shops on Craigslist either.

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The oldest supported machines for OS X v10.8 are mid-2007 iMacs and the newest unsupported machine is a just-before-early-2009 Mac Mini. So the most harshly affected purchases were a shade more than three years old when the OS came out. Given that we're talking official support, not how well the thing runs, that's harsh when you consider that Windows 7 and 8 have the same official minimum requirements and Windows 7 came out just shortly after the newest of the unsupported Macs.

I guess the £25 cost-of-entry explains support and testing cuts at Apple's end but it's hard to call it fair treatment.

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"It's pretty cost effective to upgrade a Mac by selling it and buying a new one. Unlike the market for used PCs, the market for used Macs is pretty active. It's not uncommon for people to pay half retail for a Mac that's 4-5 years old. I've done this several times."

I have a macbook from 2008. Get me half retail price and I'll happily sell it. No? Didn't think so. You may get ok money for a top of the line macbook pro but not much else.

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Re: half serious

Watch at least one German will say the text only midnight commander. The app that should have died a decade ago.

I heard the same said about the command line, yet it's still there. Some stuff simply works, and needs no fancy updates.

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They can be as creepy as they want as long as their money is green. Anyway, that's a worst case scenario. I have people waiting for the Macs.

Anyway, I always carry when I do a Craigslist deal and I only take cash.

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The sweet spot is three years old for Max return.

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@ Nate Amsden: The best explorer replacement is Q-dir. It can have up to four file panes and a folder tree pane, and tabs in each folder pane, remembers the last opened folders in each tab, and many other features. It is also free of charge and updated frequently.

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People moaning about the cost of Apple hardware

I've still got my two 2008 iMacs running fine. Sure they cost 1400 sovs when new but 5 years for a consumer device that's used for a miminum for 4-5 hours every single day is not bad going. Just given one of the old iMacs to my little one as her personal machine. The only thing I've had replace in the last 5 years was one keybaord after some twat dropped sticky coke on it and the RETURN key broke.

Got a couple of 13" white Macbooks, both bought in 2009 and after 4 years of use with no upgrade the drive finally blew on one of them, not bad going. On to Amazon, £35 for a new 2.5 HD, a £1 for a Torx driver and sorted that problem. One of these machines with it's puny little 2GB of memory is still used to edit photos from a full frame DSLR while I'm out and about on camping trips. My images often exceed 1GB while I'm editing them in the latest Photoshop CS6. a 4 year old machine with a 2 year old O/S and still running fine. The batteries are just starting to go funny which again is not bad for 4 years service, so I'll be on Fleabay looking

for a couple of cheap Far East replacements soon.

People moan about the price of Apple desktop hardware but like anything if you look after it it will last you and provide years of service. You might well call me a mug for buying expensive Apple kit but I'm not on the upgrade treadmill, my boxes get used until they finally die a natural death after long and productive lives.

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not strickly true - older macs are still supported - support means OS big fixes, security patches, etc. And they all still happen on pre-lion.

Yes, you can't put lion on them, but that doesn't mean they are unsupported.

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Re: People moaning about the cost of Apple hardware

I've still got my 2006 Acer Ferrari running fine. Sure it cost 1200 UKP when new but 7 years for a consumer device that's used for a minimum of 8 hours every single day is not bad going.

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It's not legal with OEM copies of Windows to transfer to a new machine.

Secondly, back in the XP days I remember a work colleague buying another copy of XP because he had used up his 5 activations (after which Microsoft wouldn't activate his copy). He had the boxed version, not an OEM copy and therefore was properly licenced.

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How is that hassle? selling your house is hassle, selling a computer isn't.

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Best file manager? Has to be XTree Gold (for DOS) :-)

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@AC with Acer Ferrari: I've still got my 2006 MacBook (not Pro) running fine. Sure, it cost me £600 second-hand, but 7 years for a consumer devide that's used for a minimum of 8 hours every single day is not bad going.

:-)

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@SP: Touché :-)

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@Dana W

And after 10 years, I just upgrade the OS on my non-Apple laptop... Windows cost 19€ and Linux was free. Both run very well on the old hardware.

My 5 year old iMac wasn't allowed to get the last OS update...

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"Anyway, I always carry when I do a Craigslist deal and I only take cash."

That's ok then

*rollseyes*

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Re: People moaning about the cost of Apple hardware

I have an IBM ThinkPad from 2004, cost me £400, and it still works daily in to 2013.

Just sayin'.

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>>It's pretty cost effective to upgrade a Mac by selling it and buying a new one. Unlike the market for used PCs, the market for used Macs is pretty active. It's not uncommon for people to pay half retail for a Mac that's 4-5 years old. I've done this several times.

This might be because you've already paid a significant mark-up on the Mac? e.g. buy a Mac for $2000 and sell it for $1000 after three years, but you could have bought an equivalent PC for $1000, maybe an upgrade after a year or two, extra ram, SSD, new graphics all you can fit yourself, still more money in your pocket and a machine that you can keep up to date.

I've got a triple boot Probook 4530s, OSX/Win7/Ubuntu 8Gb ram/SSD/i7/1080p it's chunkier than a Macbook Pro (although I can change batteries etc.), but for less than £600 it's a fraction of the price, the equivalent MBP would be over £2k i'd still lose more money on the Mac than the Probook cost me (even a lower spec refurb is double the cost).

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Re: People moaning about the cost of Apple hardware

I've still got my 2003 Dell 8600 running fine. Sure it cost 1000 UKP when new but 10 years for a consumer device that's still used every single day (by my daughter) after I used it for 6 years every day, carted to Australlia twice and NYC is not bad going (although the battery only lasts for 40 mins now).

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"a machine that you can keep up to date?"

I can't be arsed doing all that research for compatible stuff, buying the stuff, fitting and configuring the stuff, getting it all to boot and work together etc.

I'd much rather spend a ton of money upfront, use the computer as-is for as long I want, then one day get a new one. When you figure in what my time is worth and the fact that I'd happily pay to NOT do all that shit and just get on with my life, it works out way cheap.

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Macbook Airs from 2008 are going for around £3-400 on Ebay. That's almost halfway to a new Macbook Air. I know because I just sold one - and there's others going for a similar price.

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"Pretty obvious you don't know much about other OSs then, because you can do that with pretty much any of them."

Re: easily transferring data from an old computer to a new one.

I admit I haven't tried this with Win8 but at least with Win7 it's pretty terrible. It doesn't even transfer your software. What's the point, almost, since it can take hours to run all the installers for all your software. With OS X most programs are installed via dragging and dropping a bundle.

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"Oh sweet! So it'll transfer my development environment, and my servers, and my VMs, and my Kubuntu partition, and my Windows one?

No? Then perhaps upgrades are a better idea."

If you know how to clone a drive, it does.

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It's bad enough with iOS5!

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