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A high-flying Microsoft creative director has quit after enraging Xbox owners with a widely publicised tweet saying they should get used to consoles being constantly connected to to the internet. A week ago, Adam Orth provoked the wrath of bedroom-bound gamers and industry experts alike after sharing his thoughts on the always- …

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Oh they would so love to do it ...

all of them. But it would be a stupid move until uncapped high-speed broadband is as ubiquitous as electricity.

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Re: Oh they would so love to do it ...

Rumours were the PS4 would do this too. It doesn't.

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Re: Oh they would so love to do it ...

You've tried one out? Ohh, whats it like? whats it look like? Does it still use bluray? whats the new controller like? Tell us tell us how this new machine looks and behaves that no one else has seen yet!

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Re: Oh they would so love to do it ...

Sony's PR confirmed back in February that you will be able to go offline. It will be down to the game developers whether they require an internet connection or not.

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Re: Oh they would so love to do it ...

You can pretty much bet where there this rumor originated from, it was hoped to gain some acceptance of Mcirosoft's plans by pretending it's usually silent competitor is doing the same, however Sony care out and said 100% that it's not happening on the PS4, which put a spanner in Microsoft's machine.

However quite clearly Microsoft have little choice. The Xbox has been piracy central this generation, where the PS3 is pretty much piracy free. Studios are already voting with their feet and heading the Sony way, so Microsoft have little choice but to do always on....

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Re: Oh they would so love to do it ...

Microsoft has gotten cocky as to even entertain the notion of persistent online requirement is ludicrous. One of the reasons consoles overtook PC gaming is that they "just worked". Microsoft should really look no further than Sony to see what happened to them last time they got cocky.

I predict that it's next quarterly report that reflects sales of Windows 8, Surface, Server 2012 and nokia phones (what's a nokia?) will come with a prescription for humble pills attached. Hopefully, then we can see them care a bit more about what their customers want. That or they can crawl under a rock and die - ether's fine by me.

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Re: Oh they would so love to do it ...

Even then I'm not sure it would work.

I'm fortunate to live in an area with at least 3 competing high speed providers. So from home devices can be constantly connected. But when I ride the train, I don't have that kind of connectivity. And that's when I like to pop out the laptop and play a game. So for me, being required to hook up to register isn't a problem, and to some extent I'm willing to do that. But I don't expect to need to be constantly connected to play the game, and I'd be pissed if after activating it properly they yanked my license to play the it because of some alleged security breach related to the key used to activate my game.

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This is how you keep them at bay, by letting them know in no uncertain terms that we will not tolerate "Always On" nanny consoles.

I suspect those Meme pictures will be thrown around whenever someone even hints at "always on" anything.

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This employee is now 'always on' the dole, that's the world we now live in and I'm sorry but I don't get the drama.

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sad state of affairs

when stuff like this happens.

Society has gotten to be so over sensitive and paranoid. Some places better than others still. When the president of the U.S. feels he needs to apologize for complimenting another person it.. well I don't have words to describe this. Other than *big sigh*

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Re: sad state of affairs

Well, Microsoft could have killed the paranoia in a second. "No, we have no plans to do this".

Now instead, with comments like this, we're left to wonder.

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Comparisons with electricity are inappropriate

When you turn on the lights you don't send the generating company a request for permission to turn the lights on. You pay the utility's bill, after that you and only you control the use.

With "always on" games you control nothing. You only beg the games publisher (which is not even the "utility" providing your connection) to please, kindly let you play the game. They make the decision what you are allowed or not to do in your home.

This is not acceptable.

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Re: Comparisons with electricity are inappropriate

I would have instead have gone with "When the Internet goes out, my PC still plays single player games, my TV still shows TV, and my Toaster still makes Toast".

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Re: Comparisons with electricity are inappropriate

and when the power goes out my laptop can play games for quite a while too.

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Re: Comparisons with electricity are inappropriate

"When you turn on the lights you don't send the generating company a request for permission to turn the lights on."

For the time being. Smart meters are coming RSN.

(I'd use the 'Joke Alert' icon, but unfortunately I'm not joking.)

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Re: Comparisons with electricity are inappropriate

But not ALL games, unless you have a UPS on your ADSL router and/or wi-fi access point as well. :D

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Re: Smart meters are coming RSN.

Even Smart meters aren't Always On. They may be always monitoring, but they only check in periodically.

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Did he actually mention xbox.next?

The piece I read only quoted some throw away conversation about 'always online', whatever that means.

Although firing members of staff for simply using twitter seems to me an appropriate and proportional response for any employer.

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Re: Did he actually mention xbox.next?

Damn straight. I think my first question if I was ever conducting interviews (fortunately I'm not in that position. I wonder why?) would be "Do you use twitter?" If the answer is yes then its time to move to the next candidate.

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Its not like

M$ has a reputation for managing always on

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“Every device now is 'always on'. That’s the world we live in.”

He does have a point though. Although our current "always on" for phones and home WiFi is "always on bit a bit spotty".

I can watch Netflix 24/7 for instance.

But this is clearly not something we're ready for yet, and we're a fairly well equipped nation... in many countries consistant broadband is a bit of a luxury.

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Re: “Every device now is 'always on'. That’s the world we live in.”

no he dosent. my phone is "always on", but if i turn off the data i can still make calls or play games, or take photos. By linking his tweets (twats?) to electricity he basically said if the xbox isnt "always on" it wont work at all. Thats a huge shift.

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Re: “Every device now is 'always on'. That’s the world we live in.”

" we're a fairly well equipped nation... in many countries consistant broadband is a bit of a luxury."

It might be interesting if you could tell us to which country you referring to. It sure ain't the UK.

Here it's a post code lottery and just being in the centre of a town does not guarantee a good connection and as for us dwellers in the outer darkness, a minimum of 2Gb , as promised in this quote from the gov.uk website: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/local-authorities-meet-deadline-for-broadband-plans.

"The Government has allocated money from a £530 million fund to each local authority in England to help provide 90 per cent of homes and businesses with superfast broadband access and everyone with access to at least 2Mbps."

That's not superfast, it's not even fast, it is the bare minimum that BT and its friends in Whitehall can get away with. Perhaps they should speak with telcos in Romania, Latvia, Ireland or Hong Kong to see how it's done.

Romania? I ask you!

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Re: “Every device now is 'always on'. That’s the world we live in.”

2mps (down) is fast in the USA.

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Re:2mps (down) is fast in the USA.

Depends on your location. I have affordable 10mps down where I live. My parents in a suburban-rural transition area are probably running around 2mps. But if you want to pay for it, you can get 2mps anywhere in the US.

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Christ on a bike...

Seriously? Forced to resign because of a simple opinion. Not an official MS position at that, either, but his own.

And even if it was official - chased down because of it?

I don't want to live on this planet any more.

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Re: Christ on a bike...

Probably less about his opinion and more about his denigrating people/areas without broadband.

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Forced to resign because of a simple opinion.

No, Microsoft can be a really weird bunch but I'm quite positive its the combination of things. First he's an executive, one should be able to expect that those guys know how to share an opinion in a non-insulting manner. Then there's the sheer arrogance of it all, in the end it isn't merely showing but actually radiating.

It's simple; if you make it very clear that you seem totally incapable of even considering the way the other person in a discussion feels like then how the heck are you going to lead your own department? I wouldn't be surprised one bit if that guy doesn't have the foggiest of ideas what's going through the minds of his co workers ("now why would I want to associate with them?"). Not saying this is the case, but he sure makes it look that way.

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Re: Christ on a bike...

Yep.

Kids, here's a tip for discussing a product that has implemented a business model at cost of some customers. When the lost or under served customers are mentioned, acknowledge the inconvenience and say we'll be thinking them in future iterations. You aren't, and their ability to be customers depends on technology advances or infra-structure improvements, i.e., things beyond your control. If satisfaction is not in the cards, empathy is a good alternative.

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Re: Christ on a bike...

When you are an identifiable decision maker for a corporation and you are commenting on areas that are within the realm where you exert control and/or influence, you are expected to be aware of the implication and effects your statements will have on the sale of your product. The reaction was predictable and managers are expected to avoid that sort of bad PR when possible. Frankly I'm surprised he lasted past the FIRST tweet. And no I haven't looked at the tweet thread.

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His opinion...

His opinion and the way it was expressed showed that he was not very qualified for the position.

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Re: His opinion...

agreed.

" high-flying Microsoft creative director"

He should have known better. After all, tweets are viewable by everyone and it is a known contentious position to take (saying everything is always on).

There is no off switch for the internet.

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Why...

Why, because you're in a 'senior' position should you reign in your personal thoughts?

Yeah it sucks if you have crappy broadband - I had it for years, but fucks' sake. Some people need to grow up, grow a sense of humour and perspective and worry about things that fucking matter.

My friends and I all frequently wind one another up about where come from - sometimes, shock horror, on public forums. We're all in senior positions. So what? If he'd made direct comments about the kind of people living there, perhaps but come on...

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>Why, because you're in a 'senior' position should you reign in your personal thoughts?

Its one thing if your "personal" thoughts have very little to do with your company but when they are directly related to your job and or company products and worse intermixed with your controversial opinion then of course bad things can happen.

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"Why, because you're in a 'senior' position should you reign in your personal thoughts?"

Because you'll lose your senior job if you say something that is likely to lose sales or reflect badly on the company/product as a whole.

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Re: Why...

@AC 17:11 sez '.. We're all in senior positions ..'

No you aren't.

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"why..."

Your so unconcerned about venting your spleen yet you hide behind the blanket of anonimity... if your so unconcerned about other peoples needs to "grow up" just post under your real name and see how long you last in your "senior position"

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Re: Why...

It is rarely a bad thing for an idiot to reign in their thoughts

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Personally speaking I am not at all sure about this "always on" society regardless of who.......

.........is administering it. I think that I am inclined to find a deep cave somewhere and hide in it!

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"Twitter users were quick to hone in on his unwitting revelation about Sony's new gaming console. The firm has not yet confirmed that its new Playstation will be always connected to the internet."

Think you might have got that section a bit wrong you know...

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I had to read the article 3 times to see if i had missed something about sony.....

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A high-flying Microsoftie?

Clearly a comet-ary descent ....from the Orth Cloud!

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Re: A high-flying Microsoftie?

High flying before, also high-flying shortly after his defenestration.

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MS needs to get rid of all it's employees with that kind of mentality, starting with Balmer. I'm fed up with this "We'll give the customer what we want and they will LIKE it!" attitude from big corporations.

A message has been sent about Windows Phone. Another sent about Windows 8, Still another with Office 365, on and on, etc, etc.......

How far does a company have to have sales slip before realizing they can't do it anymore?

Oh, and for Adam Orth, if he's a fool and quit, along with that attitude, he may soon find out what it means not to have lights, much less an "always on" internet connection.

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What could possibly go wrong?

Cloud. Always on home connection.

Is it just me who doesn't think this is a good idea?

Maybe we should throw in home automation controllable from your phone using the Internet.

Ah! Brilliant!

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Isn't Xbox always on now? I switch it on to watch a video from a USB stick, but have to wait 2 minutes for it to connect to Xbox Live before I can actually use it.

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No more than your PC is... you might have only have turned it on to watch a locally-stored movie, but if it finds an internet connection it will still want to check for updates etc I can always turn off my WiFi or unplug the ethernet cable, though.

Two minutes sounds a little excessive to connect to XBOX Live, though.

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Ort goes forth

May have to face The Real World(tm) now. Might be somewhat of a shock..

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"customer-centric approach we take to our products"

Since when does Microsoft has a customer centric approach?

Inflicting Windows8 on people was anything but customer centric, and for that too, we want an apology btw.

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Ubisoft....

Silent Hunter, had the very first version of that.....

Chess Master.... somehow (probably their fault) the connecting to the online games stopped working, so did logging into my account - to play chess online, and despite a bunch of emails to them, they did fuck all and never fixed it.

I never supported piracy of that game, I just kept on forgetting who's place I left the DVD at.

What is that term, Malicious Obedience?

I'd say that Ubisoft's losses are due to them being a bunch of arrogant arseholes.

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