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The Pirate Bay has been torpedoed after telecoms companies from two countries blocked the website’s dual domains. The world’s largest file-sharing site moved a Swedish .se domain to a Greenland-based .gl address between late Monday night and early Tuesday morning after apparently being tipped off that the Swedes were planning to …

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Registering a domain in a small country is a pain in the balls. A domain registrar with too little work has plenty of time to scrutinise your application, invent stupid rules or make you jump through hoops.

Get a .kp domain guys...

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Or a .ml?

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trying to get a .ie at the moment. the hosting company happily takes your money, then off to the register. oh dear, that's when the hoops come out. but a .it address? not a problem. Italian efficiency, it's better than the Irish.

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.kp?

They'd have to be nuts...

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Gaaah. It'd be easier to get a .kp off the North Koreans than a .ie off the IEDR.

I can get a domain name in 5 minutes from GoDaddy, so unless a customer is really desperate for a .ie I'd tell them to think on...

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Ah, .ie domain registrations, where the high cost is justified on the grounds of exclusivity and the reasons you'd want to get one offered are "well, it shows you're doing business in Ireland". It's almost as though .ie domains are being managed by people who don't have the faintest understanding of the technology involved...no, wait, it's exactly like that.

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Italian efficiency

An acquaintance of mine bought an excellent domain from the Italians.

It's under maintenance at the moment but you can usually find it here: fuckw.it

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craz.ie

Do they still have the policy whereby, unless you can prove you're a business based in Ireland, you can only register your full name [and no nicknames. Sit up straight, boy —and stop chewing!]... after providing your birth certificate, mother's maidenhood and assorted other paperwork in triplicate?

Good old Ireland. At the forefront of the campaign to create the world's first Infomation Cycle Lane.

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@m a d r a:

No, see, you're missing the point. Being excessively expensive and restrictive is a way of denoting the domain's exclusivity. Because we all know that when you think Internet, you think dot-ie. Never mind those tacky dotcoms, I heard anyone can have one of them for a tenner or less! Truly the filthy floozies of the internet world. Dot-ies, now - they've got standards. And class. And definitely aren't just yours because you had the money to spend.

(Don't forget the rule about how you won't get a .ie domain if you want to serve up smut! Because we all know that Ireland is a smut-free country. Yep. Definitely. *cough*)

It occurs to me that de Valera would likely approve of the nonsensical policies governing the sale & administration of the .ie domain. Which, if you know anything much about the man's policies and legacy, says about all that needs to be said...

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Tiny?

It's the third largest country in North America. Seriously it's a MASSIVE land mass, just not very populated is all :-)

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Re: Tiny?

There are only 3 countries in north america so coming last place is nothing to write about. Most Europeans consider mexico part of central america. If you are not of that opinion it is still 3rd of 4.

It is less than 1/3rd the size of australia. The ridiculous landmass you speak of is actually a product of the way we map the globe to a flat surface. If you look on google maps for example it appears as large as USA and canada combined. This is bullshit.

Anyway it is smallish. Roughly 12th in the world. Brazil and argentina both have its number. Anyway, I am sure they meant small in terms of population.

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I'd like to get a .is for the lulz, but I don't know what to do with it.

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Re: Tiny?

A quick query on my GIS system returns six countries in North America, not counting the Caribbean: Bermuda, Canada, France (St. Pierre & Miquelon), Greenland, Mexico, and the US. Not sure what's the source of my data, but everything looks in the right place.

I am a European, educated in three different European countries (including the UK), and they all considered Mexico as being in North America.

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And - to be top-of-the-line stupid: Registering a domain widely associated with piracy in a subsidiary of Denmark .... and bestest friend of Sweden???

On top of that, Denmark will do anything any lawyers ask of them, indeed Denmark will even pre-empt that lawyers may ask for something to be done to someone and put citizens on a trip to the US for a 15 year old drug charge, that the Americans had forgotten about!

The Piratebay could learn from Slysoft (http://www.slysoft.com/en/about.html) and locate somewhere where EU or US copyright laws are not universally respected. Venezuela, pehaps?

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Me again. Looking at a different data source it seems to include everything north of Colombia, which increases the list to twenty-something. Snif! Whatever happened to Central America? :-(

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Central America isn't a continent. North America's southern demarcation is the Panama-Columbia border.

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This is exactly the kind of thing which will not deter experienced pirates - who are not scared of naked IP addresses - but could put off/confuse a vast number of casual "I just want to click download" pirates who use piracy because it's so easy.

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When I started university, many moons ago, people would hand out IP addresses in numeric form. They were for muds, IRC, and BBSes, mainly, and I know, as a fact, that some didn't have DNS addresses. People had notebooks full of them and it seemed to work well enough.

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TPB should perhaps look to getting a memorable IP then, like Google's "8.8.8.8" for their DNS. Although I suspect they would have the same problems keeping it as they have had with their domain names...

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Round-Robin Resolution.

That doesn't work anymore in an environment where one DNS entry can point to any number of actual IPs. And TPB probably uses this technique as part of its cloud strategy, ensuring that the name resolves to a working server SOMEWHERE. So, yeah, you need the DNS name because the IP addresses may not be the same from day to day.

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Re: Round-Robin Resolution.

From what I can see TPB uses anycast, they only use 1 IP for their main site with their own ASN and it hasn't changed since they moved away from prq.se. They do not use RRDNS.

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"When I started university, many moons ago, people would hand out IP addresses in numeric form. They were for muds, IRC, and BBSes, mainly, and I know, as a fact, that some didn't have DNS addresses."

Yeah , I remember that too. Good thing IP6 wasn't rolled out back then or we'd have been royally screwed!

"Sorry, could you repeat that , fe34:ab3f:c7da:22... what?"

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But:

Another user was so angry she resorted to writing IN BLOCK CAPITALS:

IT IS THE END OF DAYS!!!!!

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You're doing it all wrong!

Aarrrghggh mateys, ye needs to go out for pillage and plunder. Not kindly askin' if ye may put yur digital meadhall theres.

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geography

Greenland is an " autonomous constituent" of Denmark

Hey I learned something today :)

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"autonomous constituent" is what the Danes use as the PC term for "colony". That prevents them from remembering just how badly they've fucked the inhabitants there for 400+ years.

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Bay not Pirate

Dear Sir,

Your constant metaphors comparing the The Pirate Bay to some kind of pirate ship do not bear close examination. The copyright hoodlums have named their outfit a BAY - a place for pirates to convene. Hence "dropping anchor" and "firing broadsides" are incorrect similies.

I shall be writing to my MP

yours

PGN

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Re: Bay not Pirate

Um...you drop anchor at a port. A bay can be considered a natural place to put a port.

As for firing broadsides, they can be aimed at ports as well as other ships.

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Re: Bay not Pirate

> Um...you drop anchor at a port. A bay can be considered a natural place to put a port.

Erm, you can drop an anchor anywhere.

It doesn't have to be a port, a bay, or anything for that matter.

But his objection still stands: neither port nor bay actually drops anchors.

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Re: similies (sic)

Assuming that you meant similes, they aren't incorrect similes.

They are incorrect metaphors.

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Pirate

Why are they on .se? They just arrr

To err is human,

To ARR is pirate.

So - .arr obviously? They should apply for the TLD.

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Re: Why are they on .se? They just arrr

Quite. They should make other arrangements.

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Pirate

Didn't Iceland say they'd happily host Pirate Bay? if they like cold northern countries they'll be laughing there!

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Joke

If Iceland host them I doubt it'd be long until Tesco and Asda have their own versions.

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Maybe they could locate in an "anarcho-syndicalist commune"

...if approved by the Executive Officer of the Week.

Would that be .mp?

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Happy

Alongside another article today about gTLDs, perhaps they should apply for .pirate

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.so

because Somalia is the home of pirates these days.

That, or apply for a gTLD, as other suggested.

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But then a GTLD is going to be under the control of Americaland, so no good.

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It's a pity the military forces don't go after the Somalian pirates with the same kind of drive the lawyers have for TPB. Which is a little absurd as last time I checked, TPB had never killed anyone.

(FYI, Somalian pirates have a habit of throwing all the AK47s over the side and claiming to be fishermen when intercepted).

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FYI

sea captains have a habit of taking a day or so deciding if they are pirates or not, then deciding not (cos they threw their guns overboard) and letting them go....

in their piddling little boats

800miles off shore :-)

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@Steve Evans : "(FYI, Somalian pirates have a habit of throwing all the AK47s over the side and claiming to be fishermen when intercepted)"

funny how things go: what I've heard is that the Somali where fishermen, but since the BIG Chinese and Japanese and European fisherboat-factories are fishing in their waters, they don't get to eat, and use their waters to intercept some boats.

In other words, if you want to get rid of Somali pirates, clear their waters from GIANT fisherboat-factories.

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Mr. Evans, having some first-hand experience in East African waters, I suggest you refrain from commenting on things you know absolutely nothing about. Seriously.

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ThePirateBay.se down?

If only there was another way of accessing their website...

Maybe something like a series of four octets that would allow you to access the site no matter what the DNS name was.

Edit: I should have read JDX's post.

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Why does the Pirate Bay even need a host?

They should host their website *in* bittorrent. Namely you click on a special magnet link that the p2p client recognizes as a web application (i.e. a bundle of HTML, CSS, Javascript), it downloads and then opens in your web browser. Now you have your Pirate Bay app.

The app would either perform searches from a hosts url which can change dynamically as needs dictate, or even through the p2p client if there is a via distributed search protocol.

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Re: Why does the Pirate Bay even need a host?

Or move the website to TOR as a hidden service, yeah.

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Re: Why does the Pirate Bay even need a host?

Yes, I never understood the Pirate Bay/BitTorrent model of using normal web domains to list content when it is so obvious what the inevitable outcome would be. Why on earth did they not savw themselves a lot of hassle in the first place, and built upon the model used by networks such as gnutella, allowing the search functionality to be within the protocol itself?

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Re: Why does the Pirate Bay even need a host?

" used by networks such as gnutella"

There's a chocolate spread network? Who knew?

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Re: Why does the Pirate Bay even need a host?

It already has an .onion address (jntlesnev5o7zysa.onion)

So even if they blocked ALL the public DNS (icann managed) names it would still be accessible through TOR. The public address just helps those who don't use TOR (or don't know how to use it). Perversely , the whack-a-mole that is happening these days is more likely to push people onto darknets to get their Games of Thrones fix - i'm not sure the authorities would like that though,

The other scenario is that an alternative DNS starts being used more frequently (bit or open spring to mind) so tld blocks by icann become irrelevant.

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why is it illegal?

I could never understand why torrent indexes are illegal. They don't host any content, just URLs. Why would words be illegal?

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Re: why is it illegal?

Because they entice/encourage illegal behaviour.

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