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Microsoft will put a smaller, 7-inch Windows 8-powered Surface laptop-cum-tablet into production this year, according to insiders. Shrinking the touchscreen slab wasn't part of Microsoft's strategy when the then-Windows chief Steven Sinofsky unveiled Redmond's own 12-inch Surfaces and similar-sized Windows 8 devices from PC …

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Anonymous Coward

Doomed to failure

You will find this on the shelves next to the Kin and Zune.

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Re: Doomed to failure

If Microsoft continue with their fingers in their ears, yes.

Microsoft have fooled themselves into believing that their problems are because of the formfactor, or the size, or the build quality or price. However the REAL problem as everyone knows, is bloody Windows 8 RT/Windows Phone 8/ Windows 8 (take your pick).

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The answer is simple...

...just make something that consumers actually want.

The problem is that MSFT have been in a monopoly position for too long and have struggled to spot consumer trends. Even the biggest IT consumer trend at the moment (not wanting TIFKAM) is staring them in the face but they refuse to open their eyes and look at it.

They are the high school bully who still thinks he can still throw his weight around even after everyone has graduated.

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Dear Microsoft

HIRE SOME BLOODY DEVELOPERS WITH THE SOLE JOB OF WRITING DECENT APPS. Stop waiting on everyone else, it will cost 1% of your marketing budget and do far more good.

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Re: Dear Microsoft

... or... you could just buy any of the excellent devices that ALREADY have 800,000 apps available for them. Duh.

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Re: Dear Microsoft

@AC 14:09. The OP suggested the need for decent apps, not hundreds of thousands of crap amateur waste of SSD type apps polluting the various app stores.

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Re: Dear Microsoft If 8% are bad, all apps are bad.

Wow. You think all 800,000 out of 800,000 apps are awful? If that's the case... you really shouldn't own a device that runs apps at all. They aren't for everyone. (How many apps have you actually used? 1000? You have BARELY scratched 8% of the surface.)

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Re: Dear Microsoft If 8% are bad, all apps are bad.

@AC 14:24. Calm down! Some great apps on Android, iOS and even Windows 8. I don't know of an app to help train the mind in application of logic otherwise I'd recommend it to help you understand it is possible for 100s of thousands of rubbish apps to exist in a store which also contains some brilliant examples. And statistical sampling is sufficient to reach that conclusion.

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Re: Dear Microsoft

"HIRE SOME BLOODY DEVELOPERS WITH THE SOLE JOB OF WRITING DECENT APPS. Stop waiting on everyone else, it will cost 1% of your marketing budget and do far more good."

Welcome to the chicken and egg syndrome, alternatively go and use a platform that is well supported.

Don't you just love the irony that the sole reason Windows purveys on the desktop is the wealth of programs compared to other platforms, yet the reason it's failing in mobile is the lack of them.

I used to be an atheist but I just think there might be a God after all.

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Re: PLAGUE OF AC's

Eadon, fear not, we gods are listening to you.

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Re: Dear Microsoft

And which vendor has 800,000 tablet specific apps?

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Re: PLAGUE OF AC's

Get over yourself.

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Re: PLAGUE OF AC's

Agreed Eadon - I'm tired of all the AC's spouting factually incorrect garbage. About 40-50% of the posts are garbage these days, because AC's don't have to back up their arguments. Really don't see a reason not to at least register - takes half a second and they could pick any random name. In fact, there are some registered users with the word "Anonymous" as part of their name - what's so hard about that?

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Re: Dear Microsoft

@Eadon >"@JDX - MS hired developers and they made Windows 8. Be careful what you wish for..."

And Ivo Beltchev and friends created the open source project Classic Shell, and gave you back your beloved Windows 7 start button and themes.

Happy now? Why anyone would forego Win8 and its fantastic system speed and stability on a Windows machine is beyond me. Unless you don't need Windows - in which case you would have to be even stupider not to put Linux on the system.

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Re: PLAGUE OF AC's @Andy Prough

I'm an AC and you don't know who I am. Na nan na na nah

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Re: Plague of AC's

think it's bs to post without your known handle or name

just don't bother with the trolls, which most AC are .. too much trouble to type "AC@XX.XX and too much trouble to scroll up the page to find which AC the reply is referring to

we *could* just ignore AC posts or down vote them regardless of comment .. suspect that would reduce the number

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Re: Dear Microsoft

Any studios making Windows 8 apps right now could make a killing. The market's wide open and there's very little competition. Most apps in the Win8 store are free "I learned to make an app with a tutorial in 3 hours" apps that you wouldn't even bother downloading. I recall it being that way early in Android/iOS's lives too, though. So anyone who wants to make something right now that's not just a port of a guaranteed seller or something useless like Unofficial Facebook Like App #58 could easily turn a profit.

Shame I don't develop apps or I would have already gone in and done it.

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Re: Plague of AC's

How many more times: Posting with a handle is no more or less anon than AC. You could be posting AC at the same time, or under multiple handles - which is something that we know happens here. Nobody knows if I'm me, or you answering to yourself - it doesn't matter.

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Re: Plague of AC's

If you don't post as an AC you get points towards a nice shiny bronze, silver or gold badge - a bit like the sewing badge in brownies. Having a gold badge is a symbol of sitting on your arse all day posting frivolous comments and doing fuck all work.

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Re: Plague of AC's

@AC I'm less anonymous than you.

The AC option is useful when you want to troll or post something which is not true or doesn't make sense and which you don't want to back up or have associated with your handle for ever more. Basically, if you're cowardly.

No particluar icon, just because I can.

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Re: Dear Microsoft

Yeah, Google Marketplace is pretty bad that way.

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Meh

New ads!

Higher pitched clicking!

Dancing midgets!

Now with extra WTF!

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technology

Clover trail CPU power/performance is reasonably competitive with current shipping ARM tablet processors but the GPU is abysmal. 22nm quad core Bay trail is apparently on target for Q3 and sounds promising if GPU and other improvements are as rumoured but I suspect Microsoft will still go with a nexus-competitive ARM SoC so this will be another in the Surface RT line rather than a full Windows 8.

Could be a great device but going by the Microsoft track record on Surface RT hardly surprising if the first thing that goes through our minds is would be just like Microsoft to announce a comparatively low resolution display at a premium price in the same month Apple Mini goes retina and the new Nexus 7 has already upped the ante for Android.

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Re: technology

Intel GPU performance has always been a sad joke.

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I couldn't agree more.

GMA actually stands for Games, My Ass.

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Re: technology

Wow a downvote for stating the obvious that Intel GPU technology is always half a decade behind everyone else? Must have been an Intel employee.

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Now THAT is how you get attention.....Take that Yahoo!!!!! "7 incher to stroke"......AWESOME!!!!!!!!

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Re: MS still chases Apple's tail lights - IN VAIN

A 59 year old former financial advisor and now IT contractor is the only person I know who has bought a surface for himself. No comb over though, completely bald

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Re: MS still chases Apple's tail lights - IN VAIN

We got a couple from some people in our company. We issued on of them last Friday. I got a call on Tuesday - it took hours to do the 1st of the critical patches.

AC - because I dunno if my boss reads this or not.

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Re: MS still chases Apple's tail lights - IN VAIN

Wait - people still use iPods?

Crazy!

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Re: MS still chases Apple's tail lights - IN VAIN

As you sure he bought it? Microsoft have been giving out Surface tablets like free candy in exchange for anyone saying nice things or promoting them in the workplace. Usual Microsoft bullyboy tactics, when nobody wants your products, MAKE THEM.

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Hey MSFT, we don't care!!!

Windows 8 is what is lining the waste treatment plant near the M40 in Slough.

It is brown, yucky, smells/looks bad and is devoid of use.

Get a real O/S -- no one wants your fondleslabs w/o one -- even Android rocks vs. Windows 8.

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Re: Hey MSFT, we don't care!!!

Devoid of use? The cesspool is the classic source of saltpeter, vital in the creation of black powder. Furthermore, the quality of excrement for fertilization is well documented.

I demand you cease the slanderous comparisons of windows 8 to comparatively useful human excrement forthwith!

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Re: Hey MSFT, we don't care!!!

>"Windows 8 is what is lining the waste treatment plant near the M40 in Slough. It is brown, yucky, smells/looks bad and is devoid of use."

Clearly, you have no clue how to properly set up and administer a computer system. If you MUST use Windows, Win8 runs circles around older versions. Unless you dislike speed and stability.

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Worse thing is...

...you know that a bunch of marketdroids sat around a table and convinced themselves that the reason that Windows 8/Surface Tabs weren't selling was because they didn't have a 7" form factor...

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Re: MISSING

We tried debating with you all at a sensible level, but found that you simply "shouted" back at us in CAPS LOCK, ending your sentences with the word "FAIL".

It amuses me and depresses me in equal measure when I read the responses to articles on this site. I love technology, and I love Microsoft - and yes, they're not perfect, but they are a big player in our industry; what gets me down is the constant, endless, drowning-out of any reasonable analysis by the AC's, and yes, frankly, you Eadon.

I know you despise Microsoft - but I do read with amazement sometimes that you take the time to comment on nearly every article that has even the most vague connection with Microsoft. I find it disappointing, and to be honest; it makes me not bother wanting to come to this site anymore. Which I'd rather not do, because I do like the Register. I'm just so very, very tired of seeing the same old diatribe.

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Re: MISSING

@Phoenix 50 - Here Here.

It amuses me that Eadon champion of all that is FOSS spends more time slagging MS than he does commenting on genuine interesting FOSS stories.

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@Eadon

Where is the usual army of Astroturfers tell us how GREAT Win 8

If there's an MS article there'll always be Eadon along to knock Redmond... Like the slogan says, Eadon, you're an [astroturfing] Army of One.

Can't wait for the Reg to implement the "ignore comments from Eadon" feature.

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Re: MISSING @Phoenix....

Trouble is that I hate Microsoft more than Eadon, so it should be my name there, not his....

And some of us have been SOOOOO badly burned by Microsoft, their dirty corporate sleaze and incompetence...

And we have very, very long memories....

Ripped off, price gouged, defective software, bad imperialist USA market bullying...

Hassling the Linux users....

The really shitty fractionalisation of the one product, into many, many variants, that only differ in the degree of crippling and loss of functions.

The never ending phoney upgrade cycles, with new and improved versions, that have generally little if any real improvements and usually a fair smack of stupid cheap gift wrapping - like "The Ribbon".

So I for one praise Eadon for his remarkable observations and corporate cutlassing...

But I still hate Microsoft more than him.

Microsoft's 7 incher... Ohhhh Haaaa Haaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaaaa ALL CAPS + FAIL.

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I have two Surfaces and here you go.

It's actually pretty great, I have a Pro and I use it to draw with because of the stylus. Win8 actually performs really well in tablet form and it's fun to use. The apps are sparse but there are some real gems there and the ecosystem grows quickly. Without Win8 I wouldn't have found Game Dev Tycoon which was a whole lot of fun and very cheap.

Also the parental controls are great and since it can be used as a skateboard we got an RT for the kids. They don't need an entire OS, just the Netflix app and some games/productivity stuff. Parental controls allow us to see where they've been, what they've used, and set time limits. Works flawlessly.

There, you asked for it.

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Re: MISSING

They're in the Lumia 520 thread...

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Really?

Is a foot-long slab too big for you? Need a 7-incher to stroke? And it's a laptop cum tablet? With the right ad placement strategy, this is a clear winner. All they have to do is promote the firmness of the firmware and reassure buyers that the battery won't discharge prematurely.

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How much?

I'd buy a Win8 tablet/slab if they weren't so damned expensive. I bought a Galaxy Note 10.1 just after Xmas for £320 and wasn't going to pay nearly double that for 2" more and way less apps. iOS was right out of the question due to Apple lock downs on WiFi Analyzing apps and similar restrictions, as well as the price. Apps and price is where it's at. Fiddling with yer inches just gets you arrested. :-)

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Price point

It will be interesting to see what sort of price point they will be able to come in at. And will they allow others to make inexpensive W8 7" tablets - cutting the W8 licence cost and eliminating the MS Office requirement?

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