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Scientists claim to have identified the missing link between human speech and monkey chatter. Researchers analysed the distinctive "lip-smacking" sounds made by wild gelada baboons of the Ethopian highlands and found striking similarities to human speech. Their noises are so human-like that Thore Bergman, an assistant professor …

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ObJoke

I thought the missing link between monkey chatter and human speech was YouTube comments.

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Re: Missing Link between humans and monkies found

I was expecting PE Teachers

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Re: Missing Link between humans and monkies found

I was expecting Apple users

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Re: ObJoke

I love the progression of replies to this and how they were increasingly poorly received

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I always thought it was Steve Ballmer

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Millennium hand and shrimp, I told em I told em, they'd only run out, buggrit, buggrem, doorsteps, I told em, I told em, don't try the blarney gobble on me, juggins, buggrit, buggrit, millennium hand and shrimp

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The Apple-using PE teachers who are uploading video to YouTube must be frothing at the mouth while grinding their teeth, resulting in quivering lips.

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Creationists would have been ironic!

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I'm surprised nobody has mention politicians yet. Is that because Baboon levels of intelligence are too high to form a valid comparison...?

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Oh give it a rest, why don't you?

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Looks like Eadon is collecting downvotes again.

Either that or he's trying to be funny.

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notice Gav didnt say the same to ukgnome......

anyway, this story is nonsense, everyone knows God gave us English when he invented us.

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Actually I think you'll find Apple™ holds the intellectual property rights to humans. We created them so that we'd have people to buy our products. By claiming otherwise you are infringing the intellectual property rights of Apple™. We will see you and this "God" in court.

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Re: Missing Windows 8 User

The immediate successor of Peter as Pope was called Linus.

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Eadon, at last found his grandfather, a Windows user. Shocking, indeed but all information is for the good of all of us.

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so thats why i have rounded corners then!

mystery solved!

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I can hear the lawyer, now, in his summing-up of his plaintive's case "...and so, m'Lord, I ask that you find in favour of my client, Apple Inc, as clearly humans do exhibit some facets of 'rounded corner' and also have 'retinal features'...."

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I wonder what is the record for downvotes?

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Re: Eadon...

..does anyone else get a flashback to Star Wars - TESB - and the light saber scene on cloud city?

Eadon has just had his hand chopped off, and Bill gates issues forth in a sinister voice...

"Eadon...*I* am your father..."

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Lip Smacking eh?

"Male geladas smack their lips to produce a distincive "wobble" in their calls to females."

So that's how to woo the ladies! So I've not been smacking my lips and wobbling enough all this time?

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Generally they've been smacking mine. Alright, slapping.

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Works very well, never knew why, though.

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Yes, they sit on their construction sites having lunch and do that. Never noticed the ladies liked it though.

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M Thatcher?

She was rather draconian and took a sledge hammer approach to most things.

I think see was more likely Iron mans grandmother though, being the Iron lady and everything.

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Bergman said: “The ability to produce complex sounds might have come first. Then, when we could do that, we could attach meanings and communicate in more sophisticated ways."

So evolutionary advantage not involved from the onset?

What on earth are you "dawkin about"?

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Anonymous Coward

"Bergman said", but what he wanted to say, is that we first wanted to attach meanings and communicate in more sophisticated ways and then started to produce complex sounds. First we want to have a faster internet and then we start to produce one. I am starting to feel it would have been more fun with science than with computers.

Joke alert, if not anon. My bet would be that that started at the same time.

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missing link between human speech and monkey chatter

Teenagers?

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Re: missing link between human speech and monkey chatter

> Teenagers?

I didn't think they spoke!

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For anyone who wants to hear the sound of a male Gelada

The Beeb have a sound clip in their story!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22067192

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Re: For anyone who wants to hear the sound of a male Gelada

or simply listen to any song by Justin Bieber

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"He said: “The ability to produce complex sounds might have come first. Then, when we could do that, we could attach meanings and communicate in more sophisticated ways. Or it could be that, as we needed to communicate more, we developed an ability to produce a greater variety of sounds.”"

Or maybe God did created us by magic.

Just sayin'

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Re: From now on - Down votes (@ Eadon)

WOW! A post by Eadon without the word 'Windows' in it! The Second Coming is near!!!

:-D

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You said it, just there - a downvote for you.

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it's bananas

The Aquatic ape hypothesis of Elaine Morgan is much more likely.

Right or wrong it's a thought provoking read anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaine_Morgan_%28writer%29

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Plenty of those at the pool where I try to swim lengths

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"The Aquatic ape hypothesis of Elaine Morgan is much more likely.

Right or wrong it's a thought provoking read anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaine_Morgan_%28writer%29"

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Here's a link to provoke a little more skeptical thought.

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4357

Brian Dunning FTW!

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“The ability to produce complex sounds might have come first."

It might well have. But in terms of language, comprehension necessarily precedes production so we need to be examining what meaning if any is attached to these noises by these apes before we can claim to have made any great strides in plotting the evolution of speech.

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Re: “The ability to produce complex sounds might have come first."

"It is not about language, but speech"

Fair enough.

They've found a monkey whose articulation is comparable with our own and that's certainly interesting and fun but doesn't add a great deal to the field as this articulation is not present in our closer primate relatives.

If Mr Hammill could actually lend some weight to one or other side of " “The ability to produce complex sounds might have come first. Then, when we could do that, we could attach meanings and communicate in more sophisticated ways. Or it could be that, as we needed to communicate more, we developed an ability to produce a greater variety of sounds.”" that would be more interesting.

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Re: “The ability to produce complex sounds might have come first."

Ta. That is indeed interesting.

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Re: “The ability to produce complex sounds might have come first."

Also missing was the other article in the same publication: "A paradox in the evolution of primate vocal learning."

I only read the summary, but my understanding from elsewhere is that humans can't develop language if they aren't exposed to complex language. Its a bit of a chicken and egg situation. I think there's also a bit of a time limit to learn to speak "in the wild." 10 years IIRC.

I'm also a bit suspicious of the "evolution" tag. I'm not sure that Invoking The Holy Word That May Never Be Denied makes your research valid.

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Gimp

Unfortunately...

...Eadon escaped from his cage before the scientists were finished with him.

Just like a monkey, the noise coming from his mouth wasn't speech - just random babbling.

They did find that he was good at flinging his shite at others though...

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It's called alcohol, judging from the subhuman behavior seen in most town centres in the early hours of Saturday and Sunday mornings. Gets progressively louder and more agressive, only understandable by the similarly pissed up, and mostly done to impress females?

I appreciate that it's an insulting comparison, and I'd like to apologise in advance to any monkeys reading this.

Beer, for obvious reasons.

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