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Mac fans wedded to Microsoft Office face a stark choice on April 9 – upgrade or continue running the unsupported Office for Mac 2008. April 9 2013 is the date when Microsoft will stop providing new code and security fixes for Office for Mac 2008, which launched in January 2008. Redmond is urging Mac users to take out an Office …

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Re: Alternatives are free

I bit the bullet and bought the Apple apps (Keynote, Pages & Numbers)

I just found the LibreOffice/OpenOffice suite too heavy and slow.

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Re: Alternatives are free

Hahaha. That was a joke right?

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Re: Alternatives are free

LibreOffice requires Java for full functionality - You could just be replacing one attack vector with another.

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Re: Alternatives are free

I bit the bullet and bought the Apple apps (Keynote, Pages & Numbers)

I just found the LibreOffice/OpenOffice suite too heavy and slow.

Yup, same here. Keynote is actually good for creating a presentation that looks good in no time whatsoever (just don't try exporting it to PPT because it means dropping quite a few features - PDF is OK).

Having said that, I found neither Pages or LibreOffice any good at opening that bastard file format .docx. For a supposedly Open Standard, .docx sucks sixteen way diagonal. DOC is OK, but DOCX is crap.

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Unlike your cousins on the PC, you won’t be getting OneNote, Access or Publisher.....

or any update to Outlook 2011 which is slow and buggy

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Re: Unlike your cousins on the PC, you won’t be getting OneNote, Access or Publisher.....

So Office for Mac Home & Student comes with Outlook? That's good to know. I'm half way towards a Mac/Win setup so Office on Mac is an alternative to Office on Win. Outlook may not be great, but if you've been using it since it was called exchange & schedule, it's handy to stick with it.

MS dropped outlook from the Home & Student PC version from 2007 onwards. Then they went and published a blog about how Outlook was so useful to Students (although you could by a copy of Outlook 2007 to go with your Student Office for an extra £163, which was just over twice the price of Word, Excel, Powerpoint and Access combined.)

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Re: Unlike your cousins on the PC, you won’t be getting OneNote, Access or Publisher.....

No - you have to buy the professional Office package to gain Outlook for the Mac. 365 doesn't look so bad in this respect.

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Re: Unlike your cousins on the PC, you won’t be getting OneNote, Access or Publisher.....

No Access? Fine! Seriously, Excel works better as a database than Access. Hell, gawk and a tab-delimited flat file are probably better than Access. Certainly more reliable ...

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Re: Unlike your cousins on the PC, you won’t be getting OneNote, Access or Publisher.....

home and student edition of office doesn't include access. also if you actually are a student then you can get a student price on office pro which includes access outlook and publisher for £30.

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Powerpoint bug

At the moment, there is a monstrous powerpoint bug in PP 2011 which is causing lots of people lots of trouble. Still no fix.

Think I'll stick with 2008 thanks.

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Re: Powerpoint bug

2011 has a number of *new* bugs -- but still no fix for the Asian languages compatibility problem that's plagued Office since, well, forever.

(About half the time, whole chunks of Japanese, Chinese, or Korean documents created under Asian localisations of Windows look like line noise when read into Office for Mac or LIbreOffice. Apparently, even Office 2011 hasn't entirely abandoned "code pages". <Sigh>)

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You forgot the other difference...

>"That means, after just one year and four months of Office 365 you'll have paid for the equivalent of owning the suite, but with the added bonus that you keep on paying because you are on a service contract."

$10 a month for 5 licenses, or $139 for 1 license. So, if you use all 5 licenses, it would take 6 years, 8 months to pay as much monthly as you would by paying for one at a time.

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Re: You forgot the other difference...

oh there's got to be a clause for that in the licence somewhere!

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Re: You forgot the other difference...

A number of Office licences allow installation on multiple machines and most people don't have 5 machines they might install on, so I think the original comparison was fair.

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NeoOffice...

...works pretty well on my Macs. (FWIW)

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OneNote, Access and Publisher?

Publisher is rubbish, definitely the worst DTP program ever to be foisted upon the world. And if low end DTP is your bag then Pages does a far better job, as does Swift.

Access is the nastiest database the world has ever seen. Its cross platform sibling, Filemaker, is far superior (and it's amazing that the two programs were ever related). Personally, though, I'd be going for MySQL or something similar for true cross platform portability.

And OneNote is ably replicated in the Word for Mac Notebook view.

Honestly though, Office is not a joy to use - and, if it weren't for the issue of compatibility with PC users, I'd use iWork exclusively.

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Re: OneNote, Access and Publisher?

> And OneNote is ably replicated in the Word for Mac Notebook view.

Oh, rubbish. I use both. Notebook view is better than nothing, but it's missing about 95% of the functionality of OneNote. It's basically good for banging out indented pure text notes in linear sequence, with perhaps ten pages in a "notebook". Push it beyond that and it's very poor even for the features it is supposed to implement. It also has problems with its rendering, so that you can find that a chunk of text simply doesn't display: this is absolutely fundamental functionality which does not work reliably. A couple of weeks ago I even managed to corrupt a document by moving a notepad tab (i.e. a section), so that if I tried to display that section, Word would lock up. The only reason I use it is because the small number of things that it does do happen to correspond to one job I do on a Mac every 2-3 weeks, and I want to use Word to be able to read the documents a few years on. I'm not a great fan of Evernote compared to OneNote, but for most purposes it is a country mile better than notebook view.

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However....

While the jury is still out on the general concept of leased software, the article and some of the comments are a bit off.

They aren't taking away the ability to purchase the current version of office (2011).

I am sure if you really need 2008, you can continue to get that under volume licensing as per usual, or ebay.

While it has some new (and some old) bugs still about, Office 2011 is _vastly_ faster, at least in my experience (100+ nodes of various apple machines).

On the subject of 365 - it gets you access to install more than one copy if your needs fall within the licensing TOS.

Additionally, it gets you outlook, which makes the comparison more like 200$+ vs 100$ a year. Finally, you do get access to one note and other services, albeit in their online versions.

While I am far from a Microsoft evangelist, there are plenty of things to be upset about without making up new ones.

Karl P

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Re: However....

Pay for an office suite for my Mac? Seriously? ROFLMAO!

OpenOffice.org, NeoOffice, LibraOffice.... Take your pick and don't feed the beast.

It's fat enough already.

I use OO.o and work use M$ Office, no problems either end and both convert to .pdf files smoothly when required.

They don't mind Google docs either, come to that. Paying for M$ Office is looking sooooo 2003 to me.

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@ Colin Ritchgie Re: However....

I'm trying to decide whether (as you suggest) Mac users are the last people who would wish to pay MS a sub OR whether they are so milked by Apple that they may be the people most likely to accept this nonsense.

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Re: @ Colin Ritchgie However....

I suggest neither, I only speak from personal opinion. I have not and will never pay Microsoft for any of their software. Having said that I have bought and loved 2 Microsoft USB mice, the best things M$ ever made imho and a steal at 26 pounds each. The software is and always was extortionately priced mutton dressed as lamb.

As for your milked Apple fanboi assumptions, I'm posting from my Hackintosh. The Jobs is dead, long live the Jobs!

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Unlike your cousins on the PC, you won’t be getting OneNote, Access or Publisher.

Mac Fans.... you aren't missing anything.

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Who cares?

I'm still running Office X from 2001 on my 2006 Mac Pro. Runs just fine, thank you.

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Re: Who cares?

…Until you update to an OS newer than Snow Leopard. Then it won't run at all, except in a virtual machine.

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Re: Who cares?

I'm still waiting for a new Mac Pro. I'll replace it then. I do my heavy lifting with FileMaker Pro 12 anyway.

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Newer isn't always better...

Microsoft claims that its actually a benefit to "always have the latest version" when it comes to Office 365. Quite frankly I heavily disagree on that point.

The latest isn't always the greatest, and that holds especially true with some of the Microsoft products. Unless of course you like change because of the change, but I for one only welcome change when it makes sense.

And trying to make a desktop application appear as it it were a web application isn't a change I'm very fond off. With a regular Office license you can simply tell MS to take a hike and continue to use the software you want. With a subscription model all you can do is allow Microsoft to tell you to take a hike and use whatever they provide you with. Even if you liked an earlier Office version a whole lot better.

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Until about a year ago...

I was happily running Office v.X which must have been over 10 years old. It was absolutely fine, apart from the inability to digest docx files. Only upgraded to 2011 because my firm had a deal for buying for home use for minimal cost.

Using an unsupported option should hold few fears.

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How are they going to justify such license fees?

My office suite productions have barely changed in the last decade, yet MS continues to spew out bloated products with reworked navigation every few years. How much more can you add to an office suite anyway? Could I sign up for an Office 2003 contract at 99c per month instead of using 365?

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You can run Office on Mac? Who knew? Ok, I knew, but why would you?

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History son, history!

Word and Excel actually started on the Mac, not Windows.

Bloated pile of shit now though, and not cheap.

MS really need to sort out the backup problems with Outlook for Mac (effectively, you can't) , although we know they won't, don't we!

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> MS really need to sort out the backup problems with Outlook for Mac (effectively, you can't) , although we know they won't, don't we!

MS need to sort out Outlook backup, full stop. At some stage long ago, someone had the bright idea that everything should be in a database on Windows. Admittedly, that was the orthodoxy of computer science at the time, and Windows was supposed to be changing to a database file system (WinFS). That left us with gigabyte .PST and .OST files rather than small files that could be individually backed up: a problem for both MacOS and Windows.

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But surely.....

...my screen wouldn't be blood red-with Orifice 365 ads if it wasn't a Good Thing?

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