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Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg might think his company broke new ground by building its Facebook Home skin for Android around the idea of "people first," but according to Microsoft, all the social network has done is borrow a page from Redmond's playbook. In a post to the company's official blog on Friday, Microsoft mouthpiece Frank …

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Degrees of Clever

"And lest you assume the video was cleverly cooked up after the fact, it's actually promoting Windows Phone 7.5, not 8"

Meaning that it was very cleverly cooked up after the fact?

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Re: Degrees of Clever

"Given the similarities to our own approach, I expect Facebook Home to fail quite miserably", he added.

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Re: Degrees of Clever

Yep. Not to mention no one wants a windows phone. period.

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Put People First

If Microsoft designed WinPhone under the banner of 'Put People First', either they must have been very selective as to what 'People' actually meant, or they completely failed. The OS is struggling to make any impact on the vast majority of peoples' lives, save for generating lots of hate.

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But with Microsoft and Android, its "Patents First"

Blamer is on dangerous ground slamming anything Android - the $5 per handset they extort from its manufacturers is by far and away their largest revenue stream from mobile.

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Re: Degrees of Clever

"Not to mention no one wants a windows phone. period."

They do once they have used or seen one. It's a people and social network centric phone very different to Android and IOS, and much better designed as it has been build from the ground up to be that. IOS hasn't changed much since launch, and Android is pretty much a copy of the IOS approach.

Windows Phone already overtook Blackberry in most markets and is the fastest growing mobile OS with double digit market shares in some countries. It is faster, more efficient and stable than Android and without all the security holes of Android's Linux origins. Hence a lot of enterprises are looking at WP as a replacement for Blackberry.

Windows Phone also has ~170K apps now with 48 of the 50 most commonly used apps across all platforms, so the previous road block of not having applications has pretty much been overcome.

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God no...

A people phone that constantly bleeps to let me know that some uninteresting boring 'friend' person rabbits inanely on about their uninteresting boring insignificant life.....

Bring me a phone that is only a phone, and nothing else.

This constant exposure to the inept witterings bores down into my very soul and makes me want to shout enough!

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borrow a page from Redmond's playbook.

MS use Playbooks?

Having received a Surface RT as I gift I guess I can't blame them.

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Re: borrow a page from Redmond's playbook.

I have both a Playbook and a Surface RT.

The Playbook is a kids toy in comparison to the Surface. I can't offhand think of a single thing I prefer on the Playbook than the Surface.

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Stupid but true

If MSFT could market its way out of a wet paperbag people might take notice of the fact that the fb integration on WP actually is very good.....Unfortunately I don't see that happening in the near future.

To the author, I know we live in a capitalist society but to a consumer sales numbers are not everything.....

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Re: Stupid but true

Agreed - and totally useless when one does NOT use Facebook (yes, Microsoft, such people do exist!). So my Lumia phone has this square tile in the corner with empty sub-squares turning over.... Would like to remove the "People hub" tile, except it is also the main entry point to the address book functionality.

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So just shrink it down to 1x1... viola, no empty spinning tiles.

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Re: Stupid but true

Facebook integration in WP might be very good but everybody I know who uses WP just runs the Facebook app when they want to do Facebook things, so operating system "integration" seems pretty irrelevant.

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Re: Stupid but true

"and totally useless when one does NOT use Facebook "

Well it's not Microsoft's fault if you have no friends....

The same integration functionality is also provided to Linked-in, Twitter, Skype, MSN, and any email accounts that you link.

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Re: Stupid but true @ac 7/4/13 8:34

Lack of facebook friends != lack of actual friends.

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Re: Stupid but true

> Well it's not Microsoft's fault if you have no friends....

But it sure as hell is Microsoft's fault that they have no friends!

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Well, if you have any knowledge, you don't have to link your facebook account.

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I disagree, I hate the facebook app for windows phone, use the integrated means, *what's new* etc.

Also, accessing the mobile web browser version of FB i much prefer.

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Re: Stupid but true

(Hint: codependency is not friendship)

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I believe 'em

There does seem to be a strong similarity in concept between Facebook Home and Windows Phone.

Not that I give a shit really - I'll not be entertaining either implementation of the concept any time soon, barring an inexplicable depletion in my quota of brain cells.

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Re: I believe 'em

Well, Microsoft do own shares in Facebook so maybe they share ideas behind the scenes.

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'people' is not what I want from my phone

Long, long ago, I actually tried a small pile of apps/skins designed to aggregate communications and make contacts the centre of my Android phone. Hated them all. Disordered information overload getting in the way of using the stuff I want.

Today the Jelly Bean notification bar gets it about where I'm happy, by telling me there's all sorts of crap waiting, even putting them all in one place but crucially only bothering me with them when I choose to look. Then it fires up my chosen handler for each type instead of pretending one interface handles them all.

I know I'm at an extreme but I'm convinced the few that love the MS way are equally rare. Facebook are treading a dangerous path, 'people' is just one of the things smartphones do. In some cases one of the minor features ;)

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Shut up and execute

Microsoft should shut up and execute. Until they are a serious player in the mobile and/or social space, I'm not really interested in anything they have to say.

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You want them to become a serious player without saying anything? Another gem from the legion of flawless logic.

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No, Mr GBL. I want them to die.

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@solidsoup

I think I need to change my handle. Fully it's a Terry Pratchett/Discworld reference to Hex but folk keep using just the 'GBL' part which makes me sound overly proud of my manhood.

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Do you pull the GBL often?

Sorry, couldn't resist...

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Re: Shut up and execute

"Microsoft should shut up and execute."

Well they seem to be quite successfully killing off Blackberry....Windows Phone already took the 3rd OS sales spot in most of the world now....

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Trademark dispute?

Unless I missed something, this article seems to give the impression that either FaceB0rk or Microsoft have invented/trademarked the idea of "putting people first". This article debates heavily on which party did this first, so I'm going to have to check my planet's name. On my planet, every company on it has tried those words on me in one way or another...it has never worked. On a side note, I'm sorry that your planet now too has to endure this type of marketing.

Quantum shifting in 3...2...1 }{

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Or Microsoft copied...

Duncan Cragg from 2008

http://duncan-cragg.org/blog/post/universe-web/

http://duncan-cragg.org/blog/tag/socialsoftware/

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Put people first. Is that what Microsoft was thinking when they made Windows 8 so crappy for desktop and laptop users?

How about declaring that the new XBox will require a full-time internet connection?

Personally, I don't want a phone that puts people first. I want a phone that puts the many apps I enjoy using first.

When I really want to socialize with people, I'll call up an app to do it.

If the only choices in phones were between a WinPhone, or a Facebook phone, I would chose whichever phone had the best system specs, then I'd wipe out the Windows or Facebook (Android) OS and install Android.

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'Facebook Home just copies Windows Phone'

Yep, both attract plebs that don't have a fucking clue.

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<cough>Bullshit</cough>

"phones should be designed around you and the people you care about"

If that were true then all "smart" phones wouldn't be designed around the company sucking every ounce of data from the users of their phones. I suppose "put people first" has a ring of truth to it but only insofar as he means put the product first where "you and the people you care about" happen to be the product.

It's an interesting twist that in the past one often had to spend more to get a quality product and now a quality product is determined by how much he or she spends.

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Re: Bullshit

Microsoft has been going on and on about how Windows Phone was so *awesome* for years.

It even had the audacity to throw a mock funeral for iPhone when WP7 went RTM.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/10/microsoft-celebrates-windows-phone-7-rtm-with-funeral-parade-for/

On hindsight, the funeral was a good idea but it should have been for Windows phone. And Microsoft.

Microsoft is dying. The market share is dwindling, the cash reserves are depleting and the share price is flat. The term 'post-PC' is a misnomer. PCs will still be around. It should be called the 'post-Microsoft' world.

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Re: Bullshit

"Microsoft is dying."

Does Netcraft confirm this?

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Re: Bullshit

"It even had the audacity to throw a mock funeral for iPhone when WP7 went RTM."

Analyst forecasts are still that this will come to pass eventually and that Microsoft will overtake IOS market share.

Certainly they have a better OS in WP8. They just need some sexy hardware. The Lumias are a good first attempt, but not as nice as the iphone 5 in size and form - but Nokia do have better technology in some aspects - a better screen / touch panel / microphones / camera / nav / maps so the future may be interesting...

The Lumia camera in the 920, also still outperforms the 13MP camera in the latest Samsung 4 handsets according to the reviews!

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Re: Bullshit

The analyst forecasts are all sufficiently far in the future that they will have plenty of excuses about changes in the industry and the market by the time they are obviously backing the wrong horse. That's how analysts work.

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"Microsoft is dying. The market share is dwindling, the cash reserves are depleting and the share price is flat. The term 'post-PC' is a misnomer. PCs will still be around. It should be called the 'post-Microsoft' world."

In which alternative universe is this? In this one Microsoft server market share increased, Xbox made money and Office and Windows Revenue increased and reserves grew!

From Jan 2013 - "Microsoft said that its Windows division reported revenue of $5.88 billion, up 24% from a year ago, on strong acceptance of Windows 8, which was officially released on Oct. 26. Microsoft said that to date it has sold more than 60 million licenses for Windows 8."

"Among Microsoft’s business groups, its Server and Tools division reported revenue of $5.19 billion, up 9% from a year ago, and Online Services sales climbed 11% to $869 million."

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Windows

Some rather dubious logic from the usual suspect here.

Windows phone assumed to be bad due to low sales figures compared to android. But windows installs dwarf Linux on desktop so new logic applied.

I have a lumia 920 and I really quite like it, though the concept of it being people-based is largely marketing bollocks... My experience is still based around apps... On the rare occasions I use Facebook I use a dedicated third party app.

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"That's because MS strong-arms the OEM's not to pre-install and promote Linux."

No it isn't - they were stopped from doing that a decade ago.

It is because a) there is near zero demand, b) Linux costs more to support, and c) Linux systems have a much higher return rate. Once people find out that it won't run MS Office or play the game that they got for their birthday, back it goes....

I have an Acer Aspire S7 - which is a very sexy piece of hardware - that I a currently typing from, and I can tell you that Windows 8 is great to use on a touch screen system....Not bad with a mouse either - but touch is awesome - and Microsoft are along way ahead of the curve here - I expect Apple and Linux vendors to copy this rapidly. I think Apple will have touch screen options by the end of the year.

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" But windows installs dwarf Linux on desktop so new logic applied"

Do pray tell, where can I get dwarf Linux?

Is it any good?

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dwarf Linux

More to the point, does it run in one of the Windows 8 tiles that I've never seen since installing a start menu restore program? That would be interesting.

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Dwarf Linux

Like DSL* , but with a beard.

* Damn Small Linux, for the unanointed.

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BS

As in "Your" M&S (Marks & Spencer stores are clearly not mine or I would be relaxing on a yacht in Monaco).

'Put Profits First' seems more consistent with MS history, though recent track record suggests they are burning through past profits at quite a rate.

As for FaceBorg, I spent a happy 10 minutes hiding ads on my home page, including (disgracefully) one inviting me to convert my pension to pay off a debt. A sure recipe for disaster as these firms steal much of any yield in "fees" and then the taxman canes you, leaving little or nothing to pay off debt. And no pension when you retire. That's People for you.

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Windows People tile is the only facebook reader i use

I only use the Facebook for distant family & friends, preferring LinkedIn for work, twitter for travel updates and Skype for person-2-person messaging so I really like the people tile because it pulls all the updates together, and with a flick I can see all their comments, and flick again to phone them, or send a private text or Skype message.

I've got the {Facebook, LinkedIn, twitter, Skype} apps but rarely use them.

I went for a Windows phone 'cus I'm old enough to use HoTMaiL, and took the view that "a smart phone is one you can read an email on with a Word attachment".. But stayed because my cheap Dell-phone has a slightly curved glass that never crack when I drop it, and despite being 3 years old, its had two major OS updates (7.5 & 7.8).

I guess that makes me a fan, but no, I'm just cheap.. that's why I don't have a MS Surface.. but I did type this on the phone's slide-out keyboard

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Microsoft are right, for once

I was the proud owner of a Samsung Omnia 7, after having a crappy 3 month fling with a Samsung Galaxy S2. What Microsoft are saying is complete truth: Windows Phone 7 does exactly what the new Facebook OS says it will do. I could go on someones account on my phone, and see everything they had posted quite easily.

The only reason I'm not using a Windows Phone now is that I just can't stand touchscreen devices, so I'm using a BlackBerry instead. But if you're going to slag off the Windows Phone OS, do it on a point of usability instead of units sold. Remember Betamax was far superior to VHS, but no one brought one. Just think about it.

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Putting people first?

No, I want to do things.

I don't want to know what's on my friends' minds and they don't want to know what I'm up to.

I might want to call (operation) a friend (object), but I don't browse a list of people and then decide what to do with them.

That's facebook's model (designed for a large PC screen) and if its MS' phone's model too they can keep their phone.

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