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Microsoft is lining up nine patches - two critical - as part of the April edition of its regular Patch Tuesday update cycle. The nine bulletins due on 9 April affect all versions of Windows, some Office and Server components as well as Windows Defender on Windows 8 and RT. The first of the two critical updates covers all …

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Anonymous Coward

Re: More Windows Rot

You fill in cracks (in walls), and patch over holes (in boats,).

I'd hate to see your walls after you've been busy with polyfilla...

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Re: More Windows Rot

Yes lets all move over to your beloved linux which never needs patching to correct faults....oh wait

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Anonymous Coward

Re: More Windows Rot

Presumably by this logic, Linux systems would be 10 times more incrementally slowed down, since Linux distributions have roughly an order of magnitude more patches to contend with than similar aged Windows OS distributions?

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Re: More Windows Rot

@Eadon - "And so the Windows PC will continue to incrementally slow down every tuesday, weighted down by patches over cracks."

The Windows machines in my office usually respond well to the new patches. Certainly no performance hits. The Linux machines handle patching quite well also.

What are you doing wrong, Eadon? Sounds like you need to take a basic course in computer administration. Or ask for some help if you are having so much trouble - lots of nice guys on the comment boards would love to give you a hand, I'm certain.

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@Andy Prough Re:" lots of nice guys on the comment boards would love to give you a hand, "

I am sure they would, though precisely where they might to tempted to put that hand (probably with something extremely spiky attached to it) I would not care to say.

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Re: More Windows Rot

@Andy Prough - Unfortunately, Eadon is to Linux what Abu Hamza is to Islam (and thus Microsoft is to Eadon what Western Society is to Abu Hamza).

There's seldom any factual backup to the rhetoric, much less a balanced argument - just something that rears it's ugly head every time there's an opportunity to twist a topic into an excuse to attack Microsoft.

Most people are sane and will give credit where it's due, or mercilessly mock where it's deserved - the MS Cloud SSL outage and the Linux-bricks-Samsungs being recent incidents from either side of the line. But some people are just zealots. Ignore and move on.

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Re: More Windows Rot

>"@Andy Prough - Unfortunately, Eadon is to Linux what Abu Hamza is to Islam (and thus Microsoft is to Eadon what Western Society is to Abu Hamza). There's seldom any factual backup to the rhetoric, much less a balanced argument"

Eadon complains so often about such basic tasks, that I've come to the conclusion we need to stop yelling at him and simply realize that he has no idea what he's doing. We need to take him under our wings and teach him how to properly handle a computer system.

For example, we should teach him how to use Last Known Good Configuration and System Restore to undo the updates that are causing him such horrible performance hits. And it sounds like he has driver problems - we probably should teach him how to update his drivers, flash his BIOS, etc.

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Re: More Windows Rot

"roughly an order of magnitude more patches to contend with"

Well of course they have, ALL the software is capable of being patched, mostly I might add for improvements not security problems. But this goes on in the background as the distributions are updated. I installed OpenSUSE 12.3 a week ago ( that's about 6GB of software I have installed ) and each day has produced 1-10 updates but they don't cause me any probs. and of course hardly ever require reboots.

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Re: More Windows Rot @Andy Prough

For Eadon I think the only proper way to handle a computer system is not to. And we should pray that when he leaves school/college he doesn't get a job where he's actually advising people with problems and/or money he can misspend for them ...

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Re: More Windows Rot

so i guess this is another 800MB of updates (you seen the size of the updates from a fresh install )

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@Andy Prough "We need to take him under our wings and teach him............

............. how to properly handle a computer system."

Indeed. However, though I have considerable respect for your kindly intentions I fear that you would be taking on a labour of Sisyphus. Every time you had just got that boulder to the top of the mountain.....etc....etc.

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Anonymous Coward

It wouldn't be an article about Windows...

...without Eadon chiming in with his completely predictable diatribe about how bad the most used OS in the world is.

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Re: It wouldn't be an article about Windows...

It's obviously the old double bluff. Mad man shouts against a perceived threat with not visible means to support the time he uses to support his actions. World weary intellectual types weighed down by the constant onslaught of random anti-something stuff, turn to the opposite of what the mad man thinks, and buys into that ideology. It's a classic attack, and MS, (in this case), gets, maybe five, extra license sales from it - probably.

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Re: It wouldn't be an article about Windows...

"My efforts to provide erudition on technology seem to be in vain."

Then STOP Eadon... We really are just downvoting you not because of what you say but we just think you deserve em....

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Sorry but

I think Windows is a load of bollocks as well

If they split the OS into admin space and user space and denied write access to anything in admin unless logged in as admin, then windows would be a fook sight more secure.

Come on guys.. since when does a browser in user space need the ability to write (and trash) the entire system? and how long has it been going on for.... 15... 16... 18 years?

But then linux is'nt helped by the nerds in charge of it going'search the forum newbie' to anyone asking a question where my answer would always be "Write some A1 documentation linux nerd before rushing off to create <spit> gnome 3"

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Re: Sorry but

@Boris the Cockroach -

>"If they split the OS into admin space and user space and denied write access to anything in admin unless logged in as admin, then windows would be a fook sight more secure."

You might want to read up on types of users, and setting user level privileges

>"Come on guys.. since when does a browser in user space need the ability to write (and trash) the entire system? and how long has it been going on for.... 15... 16... 18 years?"

Browsers on my systems don't have that kind of access. Have you been enabling java and flash in browsers by default? If so, why?

>"But then linux is'nt helped by the nerds in charge of it going'search the forum newbie' to anyone asking a question where my answer would always be "Write some A1 documentation linux nerd before rushing off to create <spit> gnome 3""

YOU try writing documentation for software that is run on every last bit of hardware on the planet. Little bit easier when you are Apple and only support one piece of hardware, eh?

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Where were you the past thirteen years?

If they split the OS into admin space and user space and denied write access to anything in admin unless logged in as admin, then windows would be a fook sight more secure.

Windows had this since NT 3.1, but didn't really support "non-NT" applications until Windows 2000. UAC on Vista took this further. Don't blame MS for people not using it, or vendors not respecting it.

Here's how it's done on Windows 8.

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> for software that is run on every last bit of hardware on the planet.

Your view of the range of hardware that is in use seems to have been formed entirely in a retail shop and by reading only MS marketing blub.

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Re: Sorry but

>"Your view of the range of hardware that is in use seems to have been formed entirely in a retail shop and by reading only MS marketing blub."

I was responding to his Linux-lacks-perfect-documentation rant. Kind of hard to perfectly document software that is going to be run on everything from cars to televisions to satellites to phones to tablets to laptops to supercomputers and mainframes and web servers and - you get the point. I agree with you - Windows is far more limited than Linux, although it still runs on many orders-of-magnitude more hardware than OSX.

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Whoo Hooo

Up the MS Fans!!!!

(and i DO include myself in there).

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Bah!

I've come to the conclusion that half the misconceptions parroted back as reasons MS Windows sucks boil down to "I did Unix in college and don't understand the security model on anything else, nor am I prepared to learn".

For all it's other failings failings, Windows designers at least understood that a proper approach to workstation computing does not require a user to switch security credentials every five minutes to get a job done. I might note in passing that it was only after the advent of Windows NT 4 and above that Unix and its clones began to encompass the idea that a person might have a role that cannot be described in the naive academic "person, group, world" model, despite all the years the Unix community had to understand and implement the idea.

No, I'm not especially pro Wndows. I just cut my IT teeth outside of the tunnel-vision that is IT today, where OS's are grouped into Unix-like and Windows (and God Forbid the Twain should Meet).

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Anonymous Coward

Well put. I use Linux, BSD, Windows & (in the past) iOS. I have said positive and negative things about all of them. Due to this I have been accused of being a FOSS hating Microsoft shill, a Microsoft bashing FOSS lover & an Apple fanboy.

It's not cool to have an open mind.

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