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Microsoft has thought long and hard about what to officially call the forthcoming Windows 8 upgrade package codenamed "Windows Blue", and the verdict is ... Windows 8.1. So sayeth veteran Redmond-watcher Mary Jo Foley, who cites an anonymous tipster. Lending credence to the rumor, Foley directs us to a Twitter post made by one …

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Trollface

Fixed that for you

"Presumably, we may yet see a Windows 8.2, 8.3, or further before Redmond finally delivers a version deemed worthy of being called Windows."

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Meh

Re: Fixed that for you

The New windows 8.1 is.............

Windows 7.

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Joke

If you want windows...

You might want to try http://www.andersenwindows.com/

They have a great selection, and don't need version numbers. In the end, probably more reliable than those emanating from Redmond, Washington.

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WTF?

So, Windows 6.2.1? 6.3?

I wonder, is Microsoft adding the numbers together? Windows "8" is Windows version 6.2 (is that 6+2 then?), so what will this next version be? Or will they suddenly jump by 1.9 versions?

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Re: So, Windows 6.2.1? 6.3?

You're thinking about it too much.

The marketing name has nothing to do with the internal version number.

Same as with Linux.

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Re: So, Windows 6.2.1? 6.3?

"The marketing name has nothing to do with the internal version number.

Same as with Linux."

Very true... I was actually going to mention Patrick Volkerding jumping the version of Slackware from 4 to 7, just to match the version numbers used by other Linux distros of the era.

But then, what's going to happen when Windows marketing name goes through another 87 number changes... will it skip from Windows 94 to 96?

<-- facepalm for me not noticing the 6.3 staring me in the face in the screenshot in the article.

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Re: So, Windows 6.2.1? 6.3?

I wonder, is Microsoft adding the numbers together? Windows "8" is Windows version 6.2 (is that 6+2 then?), so what will this next version be?

No idea - with that &%ç* ribbon in Excel it could be any number..

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Re: So, Windows 6.2.1? 6.3?

At least there were major differences between Windows 7 and Windows 8, unlike, say, Linux 2.6.39 and Linux 3.0...

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8.1?

So version 6.3 of windows NT is called Windows 8.1

If Microsoft are going to charge for this service pack then it needs to be cheap and introduce something that people really want (full time desktop mode).

All the real criticism of Windows 8 comes from TIFKAM, if that interface was moved into the background so that it was available for tablets and touchscreens but unseen on desktops and laptops then Windows 8 would become the best windows ever, it's a perfect incremental upgrade to 7.

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Re: 8.1?

They just need to add a classic mode checkbox (with AD control) to make desktop/start menu the default (still let you run not-metro apps, and in a window for high resolution screens).

But as long as they think putting TIFKAM on computers will sell phones it's not going to happen.

They could call it Windows Crap, and Windows Still Crap, but then what would they call 8.3?

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Re: 8.3

That is a file name!

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Re: 8.1?

Yeah because CentOS 6 uses Kernel version 6, oh, hang on.

This is just pointless whinging for the sake of whinging.

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Re: 8.1?

They could call it Windows Crap, and Windows Still Crap, but then what would they call 8.3?

Windows Professionally Crap?

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Re: 8.1?

It can't just be unseen, the hot corners and swipes and keyboard shortcuts to get to TIFKAM have to stop working, two or three old but important desktop keyboard shortcuts that were overwritten with TIFKAM keyboard shortcuts have to come back, things like wifi configuration and popup balloons have to return to the way they've are in Windows 7 instead of in a huge slab of colour, the start menu has to come back, file type associations have to always point to the desktop versions, even Notepad and Flip 3D have to come back as they do have some use.

Oh, and make it easy to get into safe mode because explaining to ordinary users that they should wait until the BIOS screen goes away then repeatedly hammer shift-F8 is also impossible.

It's an utterly jarring non-intuitive fuck-up of an experience. Until they work out what they're doing with TIFKAM which I doubt will happen until the next major release, the least they could do is bring back a proper desktop with the next point release and put TIFKAM mode as an option in the start menu where everyone could just ignore it.

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Re: 8.1? but then what would they call 8.3?

I Can't Believe It's Still Crap!

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Re: 8.1?

The Return of the Son of Windows Crap.

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Re: 8.1?

Windows Crap for Workgroups, surely?

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Re: 8.1?

You can get the start menu back with either StartIsBack or Start8- but I can't see Microsoft ditching the new interface any time soon, simply because that's where their App Store exists.

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Re: 8.1?

and can we please enable BT keyboards at boot. i have an acer iconia and the keyboard isnt usable until windows loads. very useful

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Re: 8.1?

That's down to the BIOS to support, but they don't. If the Bluetooth keyboard has also got a dongle with some other protocol and you plug it in the USB port at boot time then it might work.

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i guess. oddly i can plug in the keyboard to the tablet's USB port to charge but it doesnt make it a USB keyboard. crazy eh?

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Re: 8.1?

> > They could call it Windows Crap, and Windows Still Crap, but then what would they call 8.3?

> Windows Professionally Crap?

Windows Even More Crap.

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Re: 8.1?

That and lose the ribbon. Bringing back the Aero interface would not hurt either, at least it looked nice.

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MS take on version numbering?

OSX does use a different kernel versioning, but at least the 10.x versions usually match a major version in the Darwin Kernel.

Sun would use the second decimal for Solaris, so SunOS 5.10 is Solaris 10. They also do this with Java, with 1.7.x being "Java 7".

MS however seems to be unable to standardize versions. Windows 7 is actually NT 6.1. Ow!

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Re: MS take on version numbering?

Windows 7 is actually NT 6.1

That's for compatibility reasons, calm down.

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Re: MS take on version numbering?

OS version does not always match kernel version; who knew?

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Re: MS take on version numbering?

More importantly... who cares?

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Re: MS take on version numbering?

Marketing.

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3.11

And the following version will be 8.11. Then they just need to smear the left half of `8' a bit...

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Re: 3.11

Wasn't that Worries for Workgroups? It's a while back :).

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Numbering

Windows NT 4.0 Workstation

Windows 2000 " -> 5.0

Windows XP -> 6.0 (sp shoud be 6.1, 6.2, 6.3)

Windows 7 -> ahem

windows 8 -> 8? ;)

So yes, their numbering IS correct.

I think they are trying hard to mimic Apple.

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Re: Numbering

You forgot Vista. (I know, I know, we're all trying to forget Vista.)

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Re: Numbering

XP was 5.1

Vista was 6.0

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Re: Numbering

Come back Vista. All is forgiven.

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Re: Come back Vista. All is forgiven.

No its not!

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Re: Numbering

Uh..

XP is NT 5.1

Vista is NT 6 (due to large architectural changes)

Windows 7 is NT 6.1 (no massive changes)

Windows 8 is NT 6.2 (they simply took a multicoloured dump on Windows 7)

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Re: Come back Vista. All is forgiven.

I'd take the POS that is Vista over Windows 8 with TIFKAM any day.

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Re: Numbering

Actually IIRC XP was Version 5.1, AND NOT 6!

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Re: Numbering

For all the hate it generates I think most of us would agree that Vista > Windows 8.

At least this is my hope. Vista was actually a pretty decent OS if you managed to run in on decent Hardware. Which was the problem, given that the OEM thought that they could run it on any old Hardware. You couldn't run XP on a Pentíum 75Mhz, w/4mb or EDO RAM either. Nobody cried back then either. The fact is if you can run 7 your machine probably could run Vista as well, and Vista had some pretty cool stuff in it that got dropped in 7.

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Re: Numbering

And, Windows 2003 Server is 5.2. Makes a hell of a difference from XP in some drivers (and no, just changing that version string in the INF file often doesn't get the job done - some kernel API's really are slightly different).

Makes me wonder what the 2008 reports (no live machine at hand).

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Childcatcher

Re: Numbering

According to Microsoft's very own web site:

Server 2008: 6.0

Server 2008 R2: 6.1

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Keep on polishing the Win8 turd till it rubs away to nothing

Now that's a policy I'll certainly raise my glass to.

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Oh FFS !

Windows 8 sp1

There.

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Its quite plausible actually...

To be honest I'm not overall impressed with what Ms. Foley has to say. I still remember the El Reg chat in which she claimed how Windows Server should stay in sync with the development cycle of Azure, apparently completely unaware that Azure was suffering from major outages at that time which had already lasted nearly a week.

However, this makes sense; we all know and realize by now that Windows 8 isn't exactly the great success Microsoft was hoping for. However it seems that Microsoft invested quite heavily in this new infrastructure and really wants to make it work.

So what other option is left /but/ to introduce a minor update?

Windows 8 SP1 would make it clear with admins and such that an update has been issued, but for the common crowd it would still be "Windows 8". Think about it; I'd want no less but Windows 7 SP1 and XP SP3. However, for common users these are simply "Windows 7" and "Windows XP", maybe for some who keep a bit more track of it all its "Windows with a bunch of updates" but that's about it.

So what other options would Microsoft have to make it well known, even with the common users, that Windows 8 has been updated into something (hopefully) less bad ?

Though I wouldn't bet on it; unless they come up with a decent replacement for the start menu, and I'm not referring to some TIFKAM update, I'm keeping clear from this mess.

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Fanciful monikers

I think those were the right idea, although these would be more accurate:

Windows Turd

Windows Shite

Windows Excrement

Windows Faeces

Windows Crap

etc.

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Re: Fanciful monikers @Big-nosed Pengie

If I wanted more proof that using a thesaurus doesn't make a weak author or his writings any better, I'd have gone to fanfiction.netl thanks. Really lame effort, my friend ...

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Re: Fanciful monikers

Valve's Steam is popular, so maybe they can copy that name:

Windows Steaming..

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Re: Fanciful monikers

Hows about Windows Just Try To Grow Up A Bit.

Honestly, name calling, it's beyond pathetic.

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Cullinet moment...

Microsoft still think that MS-is-forever, and people will adjust to its inconsistent interfaces like an armchair that doubles as a wheelbarrow, they won't.. Unless they come up with something that actually works consistently they'll be as dead as one dominate Cullinet.

the secret source is.. er.. windows.. specifically windowed TIFKAM applications.. and a start button

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