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Microsoft has had an apparent change of heart with regard to Adobe Flash content on Windows 8 and Windows RT: it has announced that it will now allow most Flash content to run by default in Internet Explorer 10 on both operating systems. "We believe having more sites 'just work' in IE10 improves the experience for consumers, …

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Re: You mean like Google Chrome did?

Eadon, you mean to say you use Windows at work?

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Re: You mean like Google Chrome did?

Ahhh, Eadon, you claim to be such an enlightened character, ranting all the time about this and that and how the whole tech world is out to get you unless it's open source and patent free, yet you still use admit to using Chrome.

To quote yourself

FAIL!

Maybe you should read other peoples comments without the blood pounding in your ears and the froth bubbling from your mouth and you may learn something new.

I will help you on your journey of enlightenment.

SW IRON.

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Re: You mean like Google Chrome did?

"Eadon, you mean to say you use Windows at work?"

Might be a necessary evil of the job - you've got to remember that a significant percentage of the great unwashed use IE, and so we're forced to make sure everything runs cross-browser. This isn't like the dark days of the mid 90's - anyone remember the "Netscape Crippled" sites?

I use pretty much the same config myself: Firefox for day-to-day, Chrome when I need web-dev tools with a bit more oomph, and IE/Safari purely when I need to test cross-browser.

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Re: You mean like Google Chrome did?

"Eadon, you mean to say you use Windows at work?"

No - at the job centre! They force the useless to surf for jobs these days before they get their payouts...

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Coming home to Linux is like leaving a clapped out old banger and stepping into a well-engineered Lamborghini ;-)

Indeed, I've owned Italian cars. Great when they work, which is about 50% of the time.....

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Re: You mean like Google Chrome did?

"how else could it be that I know more about Windows than most commentards here?"

You don't, which you continually demonstrate. That you think you do amuses me.

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Indeed, I've owned Windows PCs. Great when they work consistently, which is about 50% of the time.....

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Re: You mean like Google Chrome did?

Eadon, my point is, at my last place of non-self employment, I got rid of Windows on my desktop, and accessed the ms mail system with a pop3 client.

I would have thought such an expert like you would have had similar control over your work environment! :-)

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Re: Windows PCs. Great when they work consistently, which is about 50% of the time.....

Well I've owned both italian cars and windows pcs, and the windows pcs are a fuck sight more reliable than the cars. But then i've done both in the last couple of years, whereas a lot of people on here got pissed off with windows 95 and haven't really moved on since then....

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Re: Windows PCs. Great when they work consistently, which is about 50% of the time.....

Less reliable than Italian cars and Windows PC's: Olivetti PC's.

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@Eadon...Re: You mean like Google Chrome did?

Fair points. I must admit, cygwin was my first method of breaking away from windows!

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will see more of this

As much as Adobe and everyone else wants to pretend like Flash never existed and that everyone should have switched already, as long as a big portion of the pr0n web sites use flash people will install the plugin or use browsers that support. Adobe choosing to support it less and less is at some point going to cause a giant M$ blaster worm size cockup because their user base is going down much slower than they seem to believe.

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Re: will see more of this

Not just p0rn.

One big showstopper is BBC iPlayer.

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We're all supposedly grown up on here, you can say porn if you like. Or is this some new kind of numeric porn I'm not aware of?

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Numeric porn, something with 69 in the equation?

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Security first?

>"These days, however, Adobe has synchronized its own Flash patching schedule with Microsoft's Patch Tuesdays, and the two companies are working closely to manage Flash security on the Windows platform – which could help to explain Redmond's decision to ease its restrictions on Flash content."

Good to see that these two companies are finally taking security somewhat seriously.

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Re: Security first?

"Good to see that these two companies are finally taking security somewhat seriously."

You forgot the joke icon :)

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Re: Security first?

and the joke....

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Still more significant, perhaps, is that Microsoft has been the only vendor to block Flash content from its browser without giving users a way to opt out of the blacklist.

I think I can remember at least one vendor that has banned Flash content for good and stuck to it. What was the name again? Hmm, probably some insignificant company not worth mentioning from some backwater place like, say, Cupertino...

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I think I can remember at least one vendor that has banned Flash content

Perhaps, but for different reasons.

In Microsoft's case, it probably because they had to concede defeat that flash is still more popular than Silverlight.

This is an important factor when you want your visited web sites to "just work".

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Perhaps, but for different reasons

So it's ok to say things are different even if they are the same but the reasons for them are different? Flash is banned on iOS devices, to make out that that's not relevant because of Silverlight is nonsense.

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Hmm, probably some insignificant company not worth mentioning from some backwater place like, say, Cupertino...

You mean that advertising company that owns the video website where most of the content is still served as Flash, even when you have specifically opted into the HTML5 trial?

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"they had to concede defeat that flash is still more popular than Silverlight"

Silverlight is completely blocked in IE10 on Windows 8, 'immersive' (TIFKAM), and in both environments on Windows RT. Not even Microsoft websites are allowed to use Silverlight. So that argument really doesn't fly. The IE team's blog post's comments are full of people complaining about Silverlight not being available.

The reason for supporting Flash is exactly as stated: because many websites simply do not work without it. The trend is to provide an "HTML5" website for iOS, that usually doesn't work on anything else, but particularly not on IE 9 or 10.

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Legendary "your solution will not work, here's why"

It applies to Flash, Web as well as the originally intended email, and dates from the dawn of the Internet. craphound.com

Synopsis:

(x) Blacklists suck

(x) Whitelists suck

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Flash, ahhhh

Gordon's alive!

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I really don't get the hate for Flash at all. When used right, it's bloody fantastic.

When used wrong (or when you could achieve the same results without using it), yes it is awful and horrible.

So shouldn't all you flash haters be calling for the banning of every other language/ development engine because if it's used badly it's horrible... so therefore let's make it extinct. We would have nothing left....

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