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In a reversal of its previously announced policy, Microsoft says it is altering the terms of the retail Office 2013 license to remove the clause that permanently tied each installation of the suite to a single PC. "Based on customer feedback we have changed the Office 2013 retail license agreement to allow customers to transfer …

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Anonymous Coward

Pretty obvious they're simply trying to save face.

Locking to a single PC would be a stupid move with the EU's right to resell software.

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Too True...

and while the latest fine may have been more of a 'naughty step' than even a slap on the wrist, the timing was not good for this to start notching up a few headlines,

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Saving face maybe, but many big corporations would just stick their feet in the mud and their fingers in their ears and ignore the complaints. So, well done MS, I guess. Sort of. Ish.

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Oh wow!!!!!!!!!!

Now this IS a bug u turn for them. It's like a caveman stepping onto the starship Enterprise. Excuse me while i pass out.

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"customer feedback"

ahem, shitstorm?

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Too late

The decision's been made. Microsoft is dead to my company. There will be no new MS products purchased. Period. And, yes, that includes OSes. New computer hardware will either be Apple or will be build-it-yourself boxes with BSD, or, maybe, if a suitable distro can be identified, Linux installed later.

Bite me, Microsoft.

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Re: Too late

Welcome to a better future :)

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Re: Too late

>"The decision's been made. Microsoft is dead to my company. There will be no new MS products purchased. Period."

So, basically, you are thinking of leave MS for Apple due to vendor lock-in? Oh, good gracious - that's just too rich!! For all the reasons to go to Apple, that would be about the strangest one to pick.

I do hope Linux can handle all your needs. Try Kubuntu, I've been hearing good things recently. Or if you are a bit more daring, SUSE or openSUSE with KDE are my favorites. I would avoid Gnome, Unity, etc - too much obsessive changing of everything right now in that area - you'll end up constantly re-training workers. KDE is a very mature, stable, fast DE, and fairly easy to learn for anyone coming from a Windows desktop.

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Re: Too late

So, basically, you are thinking of leave MS for Apple due to vendor lock-in? Oh, good gracious - that's just too rich!! For all the reasons to go to Apple, that would be about the strangest one to pick.

If you still need commercially supported products, yes, Apple is your only option - even for running the Windows apps you can't get for OSX (Sage is apparently one of them). This is why a number of private banks I know have switched, and these guys know numbers better than I do. As for lock in, you're dealing with a very polished version of FreeBSD which also supports ports of Open Source products and can compile them. Explain the lock in, please? Or maybe you were thinking Android, which mysteriously includes a Microsoft license fee?

As for Linux - I'd love to (OpenSuSE is personally my all-in-one favourite, with Mint as desktop), but there is a lack of really good products for it. Like it or hate it, there are some interesting substitutes on Linux, but they don't come close to what you can get for OSX (AO/LO being an exception). Fix that and I'd swap, but for the moment, OSX gives me the fragment of Windows I still need, all the *nix tools AND a decent desktop, in pretty decent hardware that is no more expensive than the far less usable Google Chrome laptop..

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Re: Too late

Good to know you're making decisions rationally James. The facts change but your decision doesn't, way to run a business based on spite and emotion.

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Re: Too late

The facts change but your decision doesn't, way to run a business based on spite and emotion.

Actually, the facts haven't changed much. You still can't trust Microsoft, and that's information well documented throughout almost 20..30 years or so. Management hasn't changed, so the behaviour of the company hasn't either.

James merely meant to say "this confirms that the risk of running Microsoft software is incompatible with the risk management of my company". Same decision, same outcome, same fundamentals, only expressed "professionally". I like the honesty, even if I find the absolutes in his decision process a bit much..

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Re: Too late

What kind of bizarre licensing agreement do you have? My 55,000 users can upgrade or downgrade their Office/OS 'til their hearts content.

How many users to you actually support?? I can't imagine they will be happy about having to run with new software platforms & having to learn a new OS.

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"Fark says the updated license applies to Office Home and Student 2013, Office Home and Business 2013, Office Professional 2013, and the individual, boxed Office 2013 applications"

He forgot Office Student and Small Business 2013, Office Business and Home 2013, Office Small Business 2013, Office Medium-sized Business 2013, Office Medium-but-rapidly-expanding-Business 2013, Office Banana and Lamp Post 2013, Office <insert random characters here> 2013, and the 256 other editions.

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Soo...

MS lock licence to one machine? Bastards.

They make it able to be moved between machines, as everyone wants? U-turning bastards.

Sigh.

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Re: Soo...

No, I think the "bastards" tag was earned several decades ago. This episode is just the latest in a long series of bastardry.

Fortunately it seems some people can still be bothered to kick up a stink about bastards.

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Re: Soo...

Only install on one computer - F-ing Bastards.

Only install it on one computer at a time (2010 allowed more then one install) - Just regular Bastards now.

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Quite. If this is the response they get then they may as well not have bothered with relaxing the agreement.

No pleasing some people. I found the Microsoft is dead to me chap(ette) the most amusing.

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"Quite. If this is the response they get then they may as well not have bothered with relaxing the agreement."

If they want to piss in their own well, I won't stop them.

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Re: Soo...

Yes the bastards tag has been retained for several decades because boo hoo hoo

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If they want to piss in their own well, I won't stop them.

That may explain the taste of their coffee :/

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Re: Soo...

Several decades ago, MS were the company smashing the strangle hold of Big Iron proprietary UNIX on the datacentre, they most definitely weren't bastards.

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Re: Soo...

Oh no they weren't. They were the ones accepting the IBM shilling to buy someone else's OS for Big Blue's new "personal computer" project.

Try looking to the people who reverse engineered the IBM PC BIOS, to see who broke up IBM's stranglehold.

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Re: Soo...

@M Gale & AC

Both wrong. IBM did not run Unix and yes Microsoft were the heroes in the 70s and 80s.

Phil.

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Re: Soo...

I wouldn't say they were heroes.

They just had some actual competition from Digital Research, which they soon killed off by rather more foul means than fair.

Not a lot has changed since then.

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Seriously

You have to wonder why people bother with all this aggravation when the alternatives are getting more and more usable all the time.

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A silly slip-up

They've used the same spokesman for both announcements. Any fule kno that to play the good-cop, bad-cop routine you need two cops - have Steve Balmer throw a chair right through the contract like an extra-moist Joe Pesci and then have Fark pop up with the "he's got such a dangerous temper but I'm pretty sure if you'd just sign up for an Office 365 trial then he'd forget all about tattooing Clippy on your schlong..."

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Dude...

... this is pretty Farked up right here.

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Re: Dude...

You beat me to it:- but I up voted you anyway.

And sent you a beer!

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Now if only...

....they would do an about face on trying to ram the Start Screen look down our throats and give choices when the device the OS is installed on isn't a tablet or even a screen with a touch interface.

I can't even begin to tell you all how often I tell a new Windows 8 user just as they open their mouth to say "Where did my start menu go?" to visit www.stardock.com and download Start8. I never knew that $5 could eliminate so much hurt and pain from an operating system!

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Re: Now if only...

Whereas anyone who is providing good advice shows someone how to use the thing properly and all the noise and fuss over the change will go away. Handily this also means that said person won't struggle on the next Win8 system they come across which hasn't got this utility.

Which would be the majority of them...

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Re: Now if only...

It seems that the amount of Windows 8 machines running some 3rd party start menu is numbered in the millions. If the majority are using Metro, it's not that big a majority.

Will Microsoft pay attention to that for Windows 9 and give you the option to relegate TIFKAM to a thing used for running mobile apps on a desktop? I doubt it, but I can dream.

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Re: Now if only...

$5.00(USD) For a Third Party fix for a Problem that should've never been allowed to exist in the first place.

I've said this Once before, and I'll shall be arsed to repeat it here.....

Ughhh.... OH HELL NO! I'd rather pocket that $5.00(USD) + the cost of the Windows 8 License bypass that pile of fail otherwise known as UEFI (and its Microsoft lock-in) and just give in and relearn to use a decent Debian style Linux like Mint, and LibeOffice. Given that all I use the Computer for these days is for surfing the Web, and shi-- and perhaps some light compiling of source code primarily on my LInux HTPC, but now for my Arm chiped NAS as well... Well a Windows just doesn't cut it for me anymore.

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With every move Microsoft makes...

LibreOffice looks better and better.

Then again, I'm using Linux (KDE) so I'm a bit biased. It works quite well just the same.

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Re: With every move Microsoft makes...

Even on Windows, it is improving considerably. As long as your demands aren't too complex, it'll do. Though it does get dicey if you handle MS Office docs on a regular basis.

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Re: With every move Microsoft makes...

"it does get dicey if you handle MS Office docs on a regular basis"

Even using MS Office on MS Office docs gets dicey once in a while.

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Re: With every move Microsoft makes...

I would like to ask ya perhaps I can address this to the bloke that wrote the "Which Linux is right for you?" Article. But, in your opinion which is better Cinnamon or KDE? I kinda know firsthand that Unity is shite. But, then I recall reading not so long ago how KDE 3.0 was just as shitie as Gnome was or is.

I'm not trying to wave a banner or anything but, I think Cinnamon isn't that bad of an GUI. Its no XP mind, but that's hardly a bad thing.

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Re: With every move Microsoft makes...

Even using MS Office on MS Office docs gets dicey once in a while.

Yes, but those "x" formats are still not read properly by Libreoffice. Personally, I think this is the complaint that should go back to the EU as it's simply the same monopoly trick all over again. MS should be made to document the format properly and be fined into oblivion earlier than they are destined anyway the moment even a full stop is out of place using those specs on another platform. Otherwise this won't stop.

For some reason, US companies seem to think that the law is something that should be broken for profit as long as the fine is less than the profit, Microsoft is simply the most public example. They lie, cheat and buy their way out, and if they manage they simply do the same all over again (just different enough to force new evidence gathering) and so the cycle repeats. And they wonder why they have a problem gaining trust.

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Re: With every move Microsoft makes...

I'm personally drawn towards XFCE rather than those two (I personally it comfortably middle of the road). My plan is to migrate to Xubuntu. But I've come to recognize that, for the most part, it's a matter of taste. Cinnamon (which is GNOME-based) is more lightweight than KDE, but then that means KDE comes with more stuff. Each has its fans and detractors. Given the choice, I would say give each one a spin via a live booter and see which one suits you better.

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Re: With every move Microsoft makes...

Microsoft has arrived at the peak of diminishing returns.

The win7 boxes are not getting win8

The winXP boxes are not getting 7 or 8

Office has been replaced with Libre Office long ago. Being cross platform with my linux boxes and all.

The winning strategy for Microsoft is to extend XP's SECURITY EOL Support 7 as long as XP

Office, I wouldn't even bother anymore.

There's nothing I can't do in Libre Office and even LESS in Microsoft Office now.

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Re: With every move Microsoft makes...

Oh yeah and did I mention the cool Libre Office/Firefox Themes!?

a lil tricky to figure out how to get them going but....

Mine has KITTENS!! KITTENS I tell you!

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Re: With every move Microsoft makes...

"But, then I recall reading not so long ago how KDE 3.0 was just as shitie as Gnome was or is."

Mandriva chose to go to KDE4, when KDE4 was an awful pre-beta bug-fest. The interface isn't bad, it didn't try to rip everything up and start again like Metro or Unity. It's not an attempt to turn a desktop computer into a phone. It was just adopted way too early by Mandriva SA and caused a bunch of people (me included) to run screaming toward something that actually worked.

These days, KDE4 is quite stable.

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About time

This aspect of the licensing has struck me as somewhat absurd for a while. On the one hand, Microsoft embraces the cloud and actually produces some pretty decent web apps. On the other, it relies on licensing stuck in the last century for its desktop software. If Google ever develops their own office software enough to get the basics right, they will kill Microsoft IMHO.

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About Face

This and an about turn on the start menu.....anyone would think MS was actually listening to the end users

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How nice

Microsoft listening to customers but how come they where unable to work it out without the customer "input". Stupid or something.

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Anonymous Coward

Surely people will look back and cite this as the fall of Rome moment for Microsoft...

Minimum NEW features but MAXIMUM restrictions and pricing in a freemium world.

I used their tools for 30 years and helped purchase 30m+ in software... Well no more.

VM's with legacy versions will do nicely at mega corps, and torrents will do fine if you're not even a corp.

Even MS' move to the cloud is half hearted according to Ray Ozzie... Final nail in the coffin...

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WTF?

2013 blows almost as much as WinH8TE

Too late for me... Me and some others already bought Office 2010 because of MS greed.

1 - Install on 2 or 3 PCs... legally. Still only 1 PC for the same price.

2 - Re-install after upgrades or replacements (okay, they brought that back)

3 - I never understood why anyone would be dumb and lazy enough to buy the OEM/card version of Office 2010 which is only licensed to the computer it ships/installed on. ie: Office2013. There is *NO* discount savings buy about $10 or so. If it was 50%, maybe.

Also... Microsoft is listening to their customers? Explain the garbage known as Windows 8.

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Re: 2013 blows almost as much as WinH8TE

All you needed to add was M$ or Micro$oft and the trolling would be complete.

Have you even used Windows 8?

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Re: 2013 blows almost as much as WinH8TE

What's wrong with Win 8 and Office 2013? Both are faster than hell on the machines in my office, and have tons of useful features. Just install Classic Shell so you don't always have to go to the full-screen menu to start a program. Easy.

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Re: 2013 blows almost as much as WinH8TE

Nobody is complaining about faster.

Everyone is complaining about the UI.

"Just install classic shell", as I have said before, is something you do on Linux when Canonical have fucked up the UI again. Linux distributions are largely designed for this sort of heterogenous layering between the UI and the OS. They are also free. Windows... isn't. On both counts.

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Re: 2013 blows almost as much as WinH8TE

Except you don't have to give Gnome / KDE / Whoever +$5.00(USD) for the privilege of using their Software. Or going thought the hassle of finding a Torrent File that's in all likelyhood infected with something nasty to fix a problem that shouldn't have ever left Redmond to begin with.

Granted you could probably donate some Money to those Devs if ya wished to support them. BUT YOUR NOT FORCED TO ACTUALLY DO SO!! Big difference there!

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