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One month after lifting the curtain on the updated version of its Office 365 subscription service for home users, Microsoft has officially launched the equivalent service for business customers with three new offers for small and midsized companies. Microsoft debuted Office 365 in 2011 as a set of subscription-based, hosted …

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TL:DR

Yawn... Can't we just have the facts in a nice little table?

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Re: TL:DR

It's Microsoft.

It's expensive.

It's value is debatable.

it smells fishy.

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Re: TL:DR

It's Microsoft,

You get what you pay for.

It's a proper version of Office that works and includes a unified comms option.

Google Office is a joke in comparison. Hence why this is selling.

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Re: TL:DR @AC 15:45

MS office isn't available for Linux

Thank God.

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Re: TL:DR

What features did Google introduce that Microsoft didn't already have in Office then? As far as I can see, it is Google that copied Microsoft.

Or are you referring to the fact that Google were first with a cloud version? Hardly innovative - it's still straight rip-off of Office.

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Re: TL:DR

Except with MSFT's cloudy office, you also need all the stuff installed locally. The licencing makes you call them if you move it to a new computer. It installs 100s of sharepoint office connect and sync clients which all mysteriously stop working every 5mins and require reinstalling in a particular order. The online stuff only works properly in although IE doesn't really trust MSFT and constantly pops up messages asking you if you want to enable some randomly named add-in

Other than that - it's exactly like any other cloud solution

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Re: TL:DR

You don't need anything whatsoever installed locally for Office 365. It works with just a browser. I have been using it for over a year from anywhere I have internet access. Its great, fast and simple, and works fine at least in Safari, IE and Chrome.

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Re: TL:DR

And One Note? Publisher? Outlook? Powerpoint? InfoPath? Lync?

Microsoft might not have been first with a word processor, a spreadsheet or a database, but their products even from the early days are a vast improvement and innovation on what went before. Whereas Google Docs is just a straight rip-off with more limited functionality.

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MS Word is not a copy of Word Perfect; Word Perfect is not a copy of Wordstar. Unless you consider the concept of a non-modal screen editor to be innovative

MS Excel is not a copy of Lotus123; Visicalc had some dependence on Visicalc, but was very different.

MS Access is not a copy of dBase. Did you ever use dBase?

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Pro Plus?!

OMG

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Re: Pro Plus?!

A bit of an eye-opener...

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Oh Joy.....

Still it's not appeared in my 365 sys admin web interface yet, it's still pissing out 2010 pro plus.

Btw yes, total rip off, i wish we'd just bought office 2010 outright...it would be so much cheaper...

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Yup

The pricing does seem a little on the steep side for businesses. Especially as there are plenty that don't want (or can't have for regulatory and legal reasons - the entire NHS anyone?) cloud storage of all their emails and documents.

Anybody know what your friendly local distributor can offer you on pricing? Surely it can't just be list price direct from Microsoft or nothing?

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Two words....

NO SALE!

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"versions of the service for business customers also bundle a complete version of the Office desktop application suite for the first time"

I must have imagined them offering this when we signed up for Office365 last year then. We chose not to take them but they were definitely offered.

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Its a 'menu' option if you want to be able to Install the full version or not. An Office 365 install is intelligent and allows up to 5 client installs - and you can move your 5 installs to different devices as required. It's also incredibly fast to install even on a limited internet link. Microsoft's streaming application install technology is amazing. You can be starting to use Office in under a minute and it continues to install in the background!

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FFS

When will MS get it?

Where the apps are hosted and run from are only a minor consideration, compared to...WHERE THE DATA ITSELF GETS ROUTED!!!

No much of an issue when writing a thank you letter to Aunty Mildred, but if you need to type up a letter to the CEO about the fatal flow in multi-billion dollar product X we sell to the Air Force? Yessiree...lets do that in a office app that routes through the cloud...what could possibly go wrong!

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Re: FFS

But the USA can read your data pretty much anywhere thanks to Eschelon, so it really doesnt make that much difference.

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Re: FFS

It's called Echelon, and it's mainly involved in wireless intercept.

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"When will MS get it?

Where the apps are hosted and run from are only a minor consideration, compared to...WHERE THE DATA ITSELF GETS ROUTED!!!"

I think you've misunderstood what they're trying to sell you here ... you don't NEED to store your data in their cloud service. No'one's making you.

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Re: FFS

Yes typo - and no it's mainly involved in ground based intercepts of vast quantities of Internet traffic, although it certainly also intercepts satellite telecoms traffic too....

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Re: FFS

>>Why use Office 365 - which is a cloud service then?

So you can switch devices, hot-seat on any PC, etc? Store files in your own private cloud/whatever.

Regardless you miss the point - only a large business can have their own data centre. Small biz typically have a server in a basement somewhere and someone takes a USB disk home at the weekend :)

For them, cloud-based is way MORE secure than they can afford - typically they might not even have a full-time IT guy, just someone helping out.

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"2) You TRUST MS software NOT to send your data to their mothership?"

Something they copied from Google Docs there?

I must confess, I never even read the article, I came here just to see how long after it was posted there would be a comment ending in a POINTLESS SHOUTY FAIL.

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Re: FFS

I wouldn't mind working for Microsoft, but I don't think they would stretch to my salary expectations ;-).

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Bit like the licensing per head of yore...

I remember the stink that got kicked up when they went from licensing per user to licensing per device, once PCs got cheap and people started having one or more each rather than sharing.

One of my larger customers doesn't like the idea at least; because of shift work they have a more than a few thousand devices that are shared and will require multiple licences per device instead of just the one. Will be interesting to see how they react.

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The Preferred Business Model

One purchase, one license per user

No restriction on transferring licenses between users and machines

Users have total control over where documents are stored, no cloud required

NO SUBSCRIPTION

Are these concepts too difficult for MS to understand ?

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Re: The Preferred Business Model

They're not difficult to understand. They don't want to license it that way. Is that difficult for you to understand? Too bad.

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Re: The Preferred Business Model

Nobody wants it on those terms. Difficult for MS to stick it?

Too bad.

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Re: The Preferred Business Model

>>Users have total control over where documents are stored, no cloud required

You already do.

>>No restriction on transferring licenses between users and machines

I guess the problem here is that it's much harder to enforce, and we all know how a single copy of Windows will get reinstalled everywhere given half the chance.

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NO SUBSCRIPTION

The other thing is, if you look around you'll find the subscription model is the one which is taking over - hosting, source control, storage, bug-tracking, music, netflix, yada yada. I agree that the idea of the office suite being an installed app is deeply ingrained so it feels weird but maybe that's where everything is going. Or maybe it's just this decade's trend and it will revert when we get bored of it.

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Existing Biz Subscribers Somewhat Stiffed

It might be worth pointing out that existing Office 356 subscribers won't be upgraged immediately to Office 2013. We'll get upgraded "throughout" 2013 at a timescale determined by Microsoft.

I signed up for Office 365 a couple of months ago. I expect to see my system upgrade happen sometime before Christmas.

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<yawn> Another copycat in a classic Ballmerian manner...

...showing all the signs: arrogance, stupidity, running on their unreliable cloud platform yet waaay overpriced.

Wake me up when they have something to compete with Google Apps, with an entry-level free tier etc, thanks.

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Re: <yawn> Another copycat in a classic Ballmerian manner...

There is an entry level free tier: office web apps.

Here, I'll even provide a link:

http://office.microsoft.com/en-gb/web-apps/

Don't let the facts hit your ass on the way out.

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Re: <yawn> Another copycat in a classic Ballmerian manner...

It won't because it's NOT FREE FOR WORK UNLESS YOU HAVE OFFICE ALREADY. Yeah, that's a FACT.

Here, I'll even show you what to read before your make another embarrassing post: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-US/office/ee815687.aspx

"Get Office Web Apps

Business customers licensed for Microsoft Office 2010 through a Volume Licensing program can run Office Web Apps on-premises on a server running Microsoft SharePoint Foundation 2010 or Microsoft SharePoint Server 2010."

Don't let your reading comprehension problem hit you again in the face publicly next time...

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Re: <yawn> Another copycat in a classic Ballmerian manner...

You moron, that's the Office WebApps installable for SharePoint Server for running ON-PREMISES as it very clearly says.

Not the TOTALLY FREE Office WebApps that Microsoft host online and can be used by anyone without any version of Office installed. URL as above...

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Re: <yawn> Another copycat in a classic Ballmerian manner...

I understand that you are unable to follow even a fairly simple conversation but then please, at least remain silent.... the original article as well as my first post was - and this entire discourse still is - CLEARLY about Google Apps at WORK. Y'know, the place where people go to do something that in turn generates something for someone/s (money/heat/porn/whatever) - are you following me?

If so then check the "URL as above" - there's this WORK button... quick, click it!

There you go: http://office.microsoft.com/en-gb/business/compare-office-for-business-plans-FX102918419.aspx

Yes, you are indeed hopelessly clueless yet loudmouthed, that is the said truth.

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Subscription...

I often wonder who sits down with their beverage of choice and thinks, "yes, that's what we need... subscriptions to use A WORD PROCESSOR."

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Re: Subscription...

That would be Steve Ballmer.

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Re: Subscription...

Or subscriptions to listen to music. Oh wait.

Or here's a really crazy one... a subscription to read books and you have to keep taking them back. Hmm.

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Re: Sounds like a product for Haemmorrhoids - Orifice Pro Plus

Do you ever think people wouldn't write your opinions and posts off if you didn't finish off with <whatever> fail?

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Re: Sounds like a product for Haemmorrhoids - Orifice Pro Plus

Oh god...I just laughed at an Eadon comeback. I feel unclean.

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Re: Sounds like a product for Haemmorrhoids - Orifice Pro Plus

Why? It wasn't funny.

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Why is it that Eadon reminds me of that blight on the landscape of Northwrn Ireland 'De' Ian Paisley...

It must be the swivel-eyed lunacy and inability to see someone elses point of view that clinches it...

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