Apprenda adds Java to its .Net PaaS
Platform-as-a-service (PaaS) provider Apprenda has come up with a way to morph single-tenant Java applications into multi-tenant hydras without developers having to do much legwork. The company announced on Wednesday it had added Java support to its previously .Net-only PaaS. Apprenda's technology abstracts the IT runtime …
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Logical thing to do
.NET was MS's copy of Java. Internal factions within MS fought over whether .NET should be used for internal application development. The .NET guys within MS lost.
So Microsoft tell others to build apps using .NET but they don't themselves use .NET to build their own apps. The C++ guys won. Finally, Microsoft's mobile strategy does not use .NET at all, but some MS flavour of HTML 5 and javascript.
.NET is dead. Time to support Java then. Java is more open and more industrial strength anyway, and the critics of Java tend to misunderstand what it is now, compared to what it used to be.
Re: Logical thing to do
Both .NET & JVM are based on an p-machine architecture. When Java arrived, the only companies actively promoting p-code was smalltalk vendors & Microsoft. MS Basic, Pascal, Fortran & COBOL all supported p-code/VM for 15 years before Java arrived (originally for porting minicomputer code to PCs while avoiding the x86 64k limit). Sure C# is like Java, but it’s also like C++.
The MS mistake with.NET was trying to compile C++ to p-code without slugging performance.. Herb Sutter just couldn’t make the C++ compiler fast enough to satisfy office testers and 32/64 bit threw a curve-ball at mixed-mode assemblies.
.NET is not any more “dead” than Java, which is also struggling to change to the {massively-parallel ; big memory; low power} world.. if the world does go ECMAScript/Python/CUDA, the only difference between C# & Java will be: ones an ISO standard
Re: Logical thing to do
@Eadon, you are vastly uninformed when it comes to .Net
As the other post suggests, .Net is anything other than dead. One striking clue to this fact would be the number of .Net dev jobs there are compared to Java. They are roughly equal and have been for some time.
So, you are either very incorrect (my guess) or both languages are dying.
Which do you think the correct answer is?
@Eadon
You should really consider contacting Microsoft to tell them that they need to revise their Windows 8 development guide (link to MSDN page), because according to your story it seems they got it all wrong.
On that page they claim that:
"With Windows 8, you can leverage your existing skills and code assets to create Windows Store apps for your customers.
* Web developers can use their HTML5, CSS3, and JavaScript skills, as well as their experience with third-party JavaScript libraries.
* Microsoft .NET Framework and Silverlight developers can use their XAML, C#, and Visual Basic skills.
* Developers looking for maximum performance for their games and other graphics-intensive apps can use the power of Microsoft DirectX 11."
Not only do they claim that you can use .NET for Windows 8 development, they also seem to mistakenly mention C#, VB and XAML skills instead of calling it "Java skills".
We're lucky to have smartz pplz like you around I guess ;-)
Re: @Eadon
@HelLuser - all is well and good, but MS are no longer pushing .NET, they are pushing their HTML5 and javascript dev tool.
.NET - within MS - has dies. First they killed Silverlight, and now they are more or less forgetting .NET ever happened. Of couse it will stick around - just like VB6 stuck around, for years, but where is it now?
Meanwhile Java is as strong and as energetic as it ever has been. Real work in the enterprise gets done with Java. Real stock exchanges use Java, and so on.
.NET might get used for some Windows-only UI tiers, with Java in the back-end, but HTML5 will make .NET Windows-only GUI's obsolete. That is why MS is now pushing it's extended version of HTML5.
It's not obvious but you heard it from Eadon - .Net is dead, prepare to be a coder of legacy systems, not green field systems.
Cross platform
The world is going mobile and cross platform. Java is used for Android apps, and Android, I need not tell you, is on 80% of phones and a growing % of tablets, and is even encroaching on the laptop space.
.NET does not run on Linux (ignoring the dodgy mono, which is vulnerable to Microsoft submarine patent attacks). The serverside is such that Linux is increasing in terms of being installed on the most systems and that share of installations is growing annually and has been for years.
Java and Linux go together like hand and glove. But Java will run on anything (ignoring the usual bad programming glitches like hard-coded paths).
If you program in .NET you are stuck on a Windows Island that is shrinking. And even within the windows world, .NET is not MS's favourite kid (and internally MS never really liked it anyway) any more, HTML5 is.
Look closely and you can see that .NET is the next VB6.
Post PC world issues daeth warrant to .NET
As the post PC, big data, mobile, competition from Google world continues to kill windows, .NET/C# will continue to fade in tandem.
Already the IT scene is not so good if you're gambling your career on MS tech - see
http://jobstractor.com/monthly-stats
Eadon, a number of points;
firstly, dont you mean that C++ and Linux go hand in glove as opposed to Java? Or have I misread the fairly sublime relationship the two share?
Where is VB6? Where it always has been, getting in the way of migrating to a newer system.
Portable applications on tablets and phones? Well, yes, thats something that .Net does, and does fairly well. You have noticed Windows 8, Windows 8 Phone and Windows 8 RT? I am sure you must have. Whether you happen to like these platforms or not, people will spend months writing applications for them just to annoy you.
Oh, and one final point, real stock exchanges tend to use what ever language seems appropriate. I can think of one in London that has an extremely heavy emphasis on C++. Or they were just pretending to use it...
@rafayal
C++ and Linux also go together. On the enterprise, it's typical to host Java enterprise systems software on Linux as it runs faster. So the answer is, BOTH.
My point about VB was it was ubiquitous in the 90's then MS killed it.
Portable - as in runs on different operating system platforms. So Java runs on any OS with a JVM - all of them for normal desktops and java also is the main langauge of Android.
As for Surface Pro and Surface RT - they're a bit of a joke. But they could run Java if you put a JVM on them.
As for stock exchanges, they use Java for routine business systems and also some C++ for certain code that needs to be hand-crafted in terms of optimisation.
Re: @rafayal
Sometimes, I dont even know why I bother replying to you. I dont think you live in the real world.
It doesnt matter what you personally think about Microsoft's tablets and phones, people do and will make applications for them using .Net, and do you honestly think all those VB.NET and c# devs hired into do the work on those apps will use anything but the tools and languages they know? And, why would MS want a JVM running on their ecosystem anyway?
Lets get back to Android for a second, you do realise that this OS is written in C, dont you? You also realise that the applications written for it wouldnt be considered ubiquitous Java?
To say that Java running on Linux is faster is one of the most ridiculous comments I have ever heard - have you ever worked in an environment where software written in Java is just assumed to "work faster"? Have you ever had to sit through implementation sessions going over performance tests and their results to see which runs faster where and why? By your comments, I find it hard to believe you have.
VB 6 is still as much a pain in the ass as it has ever been, there are still legions of VB6 contract devs out there all working slavishly away either maintaining code that people are too scared to dump, or migrating it over to VB.Net - yes, there are places that chose to start over, quite a lot in fact. I would posture that probably 60% of those who made that choice went over to Java, the rest to c#.
To close, I worked at the LSE as a subcontractor for a consultancy brought in to sort out the problems that they were having with TradElect, my job there was to answer some questions surrounding the use of Haskell and (you are going to have a fit over this) f#. The custom version of Linux that the LSE uses barely touches Java. This was in 2009/10.
I know you like to use the LSE debacle as your soapbox, and well you should. It was the best example of why people shouldnt use outdated tech to run globally important businesses, you did know TradElect ran on Windows 2003 and SQL Server 2000 at the end of 2008, didnt you?
You are in danger of being lumped into the same box as AmanFromMars if you keep up this strange, ultra-zealous Linux (and now Java, oddly) angle. Maybe you should take some time to learn about the things you hate before you try to take them apart, you may change your opinions.
bless, looks to me that pointing out fact as opposed to hyperbole isnt well received by some.
Oh well
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