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Five of the biggest US internet service providers will begin rolling out a Copyright Alert System (CAS) this week as part of a new six-strikes policy of restricting internet access designed to "educate rather than punish." Verizon, Comcast, AT&T, Cablevision, and Time Warner have all signed up to the plan from the Center for …

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Where does the carrot go?

I see a lot of stick in this, but not much carrot.

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Re: Where does the carrot go?

Where does the carrot go?

I won't answer that directly, but I will say that it's required that you bend forward...

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That must be it

Surely these people are downloading illegally out of simple ignorance. Who could possibly deal with piracy on their conscience? Right

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Re: That must be it

Yes it's only illegal to download if you also upload. If they switch to FTP sites, Usenet and File Lockers then they can pirate completely legally....

I expect VPN subscriptions to also rise dramatically....

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@TheVogon

"Copyright Alert System" - Sponsored by Kim Dotcom

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Joke

33 seconds in shows what strike six looks like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJUV-ZXQO3o

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copyright alert is then automatically pinged ...

... how do you ping ANYTHING other than with an ICMP packet? Presumably the ISPs will identify the alleged user and email them thus saving them time when the movie police ask for that info.

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Re: copyright alert is then automatically pinged ...

The term 'ping' predates ICMP. Sonar springs to mind. One could almost believe that the network utility was named in as some sort of allegory.

Perhaps it might also refer to the attracting of someone's attention, as if by a bell. Tricky things, allegories.

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it's worse than that (he's dead Jim)

"can u ping it to me?"

Is (in our office) the new (ammoying as hell) busnessies way of saying

"can you email it to me?"

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And don't forget

you have to have The Machine That Goes 'PING!'

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Re: copyright alert is then automatically pinged ...

Look up this file:

Windows 7:

EntriqMediaTray.exe

The process known as Media Server Tray Application belongs to software Entriq MediaSphere or MediaSphere by Entriq (irdeto.com).

Description: The file EntriqMediaTray.exe is located in a subfolder of "C:\Program Files". Known file sizes on Windows 7/XP are 360,448 bytes (33% of all occurrences), 368,640 bytes or 372,736 bytes. http://www.file.net/process/entriqmediatray.exe.html

The file is not a Windows system file. The program is not visible. The program is loaded during the Windows boot process (see Registry key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run). EntriqMediaTray.exe is able to monitor applications. Therefore the technical security rating is 35% dangerous.

In case you experience problems using EntriqMediaTray.exe, you can remove the entire program using Windows Control Panel.

Which feeds data off your windows system to here:

http://irdeto.com/

And they do this shit:

http://irdeto.com/anti-piracy-services/tracking-and-enforcement.html

Blah blah blah blah................. sun shines out our arses etc. Blah blah blah blah.................

Irdeto Intelligence is the industry-leading solution to identify and track unauthorized digital content across all major Internet protocols including user-generated content (UGC) hosting sites, cyberlockers, peer to peer networks, IRC, Usenet groups and public FTP sites. On average Irdeto Intelligence processes 950 million detections that create over 35 million actionable events each month for its clients.

Irdeto Intelligence tracking services include:

P2P chart

Sample P2P report

Peer-to-Peer (P2P) Monitoring - the industry’s leading P2P platform for monitoring, reporting and enforcing copyright

Scans leading P2P networks, including: Bit Torrent, eDonkey/eMule, Ares and Gnutella to identify individuals who upload client content

Collects identifying information on the first uploaders, tracks propagation and can provide data for evidence packages in the event of possible litigation

Includes tracking by asset, file source, language, user origin and breakouts by unique users and downloads.

Compliant with MPAA file verification standards

Blah blah blah blah.................

Infringement Notices - Irdeto sends more than eight million Takedown Notices monthly on behalf of clients and monitors for compliance, providing reports to copyright holders on who has and who has not complied.

Microsoft's entire history is of spying on all people, through a whole range of methods.

Microsoft - the Peeping Tom Software Co.

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Re: copyright alert is then automatically pinged ...

Nothing matching that description at my HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run, (Vista Business). I know the original post only mentions Win7/XP but it seems likely that Vista would have the same thing, doesn't it?

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Re: copyright alert is then automatically pinged ...

dir /s entriq*

File Not Found

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Re: copyright alert is then automatically pinged ...

How is MS responsible for some 3rd party software?

From the first part of your quote: "The file is not a Windows system file" and looking at my machines, it isn't

If you chose to install that nasty bit of spyware, that's your choice. However looking at it it does suggest you can remove it from add/remove programs, so it's not exactly as stealthy as some.

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So when they eventualy stamp out all "piracy" (even assuming that is possible) and surprise, surprise sales of DVDs etc don't increase who will they then blame for their ever decreasing profits?

Most people I know of who do acquire music/videos through slightly less than legal channels would never actually buy this shite - but DO pay for the music and films they like.

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Effed to start with

This is so well known it isn't funny any more. But then, I must recommend you read Elmore Leonard's 'Get Shorty' and 'Be Cool'. His meditations on the music and film industry (respectively). Now, THAT'S comedy :)

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So how long before

Hacked websites start sending people to fake "your a pirate" website where you can enter your credit card info? Once people hear about this on Fox News the fake AV scammers can branch out into fake piracy warrnings.

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Re: So how long before

Too late. I had to remove one such virus from a friend's computer already.

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Re: So how long before

Did the virus then start to bittorrent movies?

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Unhappy

Re: So how long before

You joke, but if it's not out there already the black hats are working on it. If victims actually find a downloaded movie on their PC around the same time as the 'ransom' the thought of accidental guilt might just be enough to stress them into caving and paying the 'fine' without thinking it through.

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Deflating cash cow

Consumers have a limited budget.

High end telephones, laptops, tablets, internet subscriptions account for a reasonable part of disposable income.

Where does the RIAA et al imagine that their "lost" billions will be recovered from ? Consumers certainely don't have endless quantities of cash. So, either Apple and Samsung etc lose out or the record industry loses out....

The cash cow is not expandable and at the moment it's actually shrinking..... The RIAA are not employing a very clever strategy here.

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Re: Deflating cash cow

The RIAA didn't have a clever strategy even before the world economy tanked in 2007:

"We keep suing the b*st*rds and they STILL refuse to buy our products!"

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Re: Deflating cash cow

I don't think you get it. The RIAA (among others) think that there is an infinite pool of money out there waiting to be dived into. I'm actually hoping they'll crack their collective heads open when they hit bottom.

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Slight refinement on the infinite pool

They think they have infinite entitlement to whatever cash is available.

I seriously hope Netflix's approach with stuff like House of Cards brings about a paradigm shift in entertainment creation that gives the MAFIAA a fatal agonising (and preferably humiliating) stroke. Assuming the MAFIAA gets no dibs on the revenue if it's a totally private-funded production. Maybe 'membership' of the MAFIAA is compulsory to be able to trade in that industry, hope not.

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Re: Deflating cash cow

I'll carry on doing what I always have done - wait until a dvd I want is reduced to a price I'm willing to pay (usually about £5) at the local supermarket. I picked up "Inception" for that price last week (and I'm almost sorry I didn't see it at the cinema now). I'm waiting for "Prometheus" and "The Dark Knight Rises" (which I did see at the cinema) to do the same.

Also, I discovered that there is a great bargain at Cineworld cinemas - my wife has an Unlimited card (she will go and see a film on spec and walk out if she doesn't like it - I'm more discerning), and I can use my Orange Wednesdays with that card so that we effectively get both of us in for approximately £3.50 (depending on how many films my wife has been to see that month). That's a bargain!

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Prometheus

You saw it and you still want to buy it?!!

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Learning has not taken place

...and so, the movie industry ignores the lessons learned in the music industry and goes running off to attack their customers.

My impression is that music piracy is well down now that easily accessible, reasonably priced legal alternatives are available. Not gone, surely, but greatly reduced. There certainly hasn't been much rhetoric from music camp of late.

The online video world, on the other hand, has become this byzantine mishmash of rights and exclusions which lead to some of the weirdest inabilities to consume their content. For example, Hulu Plus won't let me stream their content from my Android tablet over an HDMI connection because they aren't licensed for that type of connection from a "mobile" device. My tablet's not particularly mobile, being wifi only. In contrast, a Windows laptop, regardless of it's network radios, can run that content out over pretty much any video port it wants.

Then there's the content that's just not available online at any price from anywhere or which has been given exclusively to one source or another.

I suspect that quite a bit of the piracy that's currently going on right now is because consumers can't get the content they want where they want it for reasons they just consider absurd. Fix that and much of your problem disappears.

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Re: Learning has not taken place

Being in Canada I can't even watch Hulu (but can receive 8 US TV stations over the air).

If you want to see a useless pile of crap just look at the Hollywood answer to online video, UltraViolet. It's almost as useless as DIVX players were. The so called Digital Copy that comes with DVDs or BluRay and expires 3 months after the movie is released.

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This is just ridiculous

Instead of this nonsense six strikes crap, give pirates one warning then prosecute them and send them to prison like Japan does with a 2 year mandatory prison sentence plus a high fine. It won't stop all piracy but it will get a lot of scum off the streets and into prison where they belong. They make prisons for those who can't live within the laws of society.

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Re: This is just ridiculous

I think you are confusing copyright infringement with buccaneering.....

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Re: This is just ridiculous

I can see why you went AC. How many new prisons would the US needs to house the millions of criminals and at a cost of approx $150K per person per year.

Next does an IP address consitute a person? Which person should go to prison? Two years prison for the 8 year old on her Winnie the Poo laptop? Maybe her Parents should each spend a year to even it out? What is the wireless was unsecured and someone else used it from outside the house?

Your suggestion is so gobsmackingly stupid that clearly you didn't think at all before posting. You must be from a anti piracy companies because normal people are not that dumb.

Here's a suggestion to kill piracy that might actually work. Make the content cheap and easy to access. Get rid of the stupid regional restrictions and the licencing crap that prevent people from accessing legit material.

Free to air TV makes money without charging viewers. Why can't media companies? Offer two services, free with ads and premium without ads. Make it available everywhere. Make it simple to use. Get all the media companies together so the material is in one place.

Do this and piracy stops. Your stupid suggestion or this stupid six strikes solution is a total waste of time.

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Re: This is just ridiculous

So if we fill the prisons with pirates as you propose, where will we keep all the real criminals who do actual harm to people?

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Re: This is just ridiculous

...give pirates one warning then prosecute them and send them to prison...

Or, to put it another way, "If they would rather die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."

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Re: This is just ridiculous

l say YOU'VE been downloading illegal content AC, and I have some Excel documents with your IP in it that prove it. Have fun in prison. That is exactly how it goes right now. I can sue you because some guy I paid to make logs has logs with your IP in it. It's not Rocket Science, or any kind of science, it is all hearsay, and you want to send people to prison based upon it, that sounds smart.

P.S. How exactly do you think they KNOW you or your neighbor is downloading stuff. Hint: They are doing deep packet inspection of all your network traffic. (fancy talk for: They watch you surf the internet and keep records for at least 12 months, maybe forever) . Have a nice day.

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And confusing

Civil infringement with criminal acts as defined by the law itself.

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Re: This is just ridiculous

I'm confused! The sentiments expressed by AC are the same as one lunatic troll posts every time, but s/he hasn't used the word "perp". Is there a new industry "spokesman" on duty today?

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Re: This is just ridiculous

Absolutely, this *is* ridiculous. An utterly ridiculous suggestion... Good luck eking out an existence in a world where a sizeable number of the people you rely on to survive (whether you realise it or not) have been thrown in jail for the heinous crime of copying something. Feeling unwell? Uh dear, your GP is behind bars. Feeling *really* unwell? Oh dear, half your local hospital staff are behind bars too, and even if they weren't there's no ambulances running to get you there because of a sudden shortage of paramedics. Feeling right as rain but just a little bit peckish? Whoops, queues a mile long at every store still open that sells anything even remotely edible, because most of the shop assistants are in the slammer too. And most of the stores that used to sell food are now closed because the HGV drivers who delivered to those stores are in the cells too. Even if they weren't, how would they get their HGVs from A to B when most of the fuel stations have had to close because their attendants got caught up in the grand "SOMETHING MUST BE DONE" copyright infringement sweep?

How many people in everyday society need to dabble in something that the law says they shouldn't be doing, before that law can no longer justifiably be considered a law of society?

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I don't give a shit anymore...

...and I don't think many other people do either. This kind of stenching corruption will only continue to distance the people from their governments. Does the US government think it can drop all pretence that it's anything other than a 'serf control agency' to keep the cattle penned in? I think we might be airing out the guillotine soon, unless the 1% think they can stop hundreds of millions of very angry people with the force of their primate superiority alone.

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Re: I don't give a shit anymore...

Dude. WTF are you on about? You think people are going to revolt because they got caught stealing? Unlikely.

"Piracy" actually did do quite a bit of good and forced publishers to get prices down to a reasonable level. Now that part is over and we all have to accept the fact that we want music/shows and the people that make those things want to get paid. It's called finding middle ground. Get used to it. It really is OK.

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Re: I don't give a shit anymore...

OK, explain to me how I can pay for to get UK TV content in the US? Can't do it? Thought not.

Some of us illegally download content because it's not available any other way. I've actually tried to pay for it, my CC was turned down ("Not a European address").

So, fuck 'em.

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Re: I don't give a shit anymore...

I want to pay, but artificial barriers to free trade prevent me from doing so.

I do without, but it costs the sellers and they wonder why sales are dropping. The Internet has no borders (yet) and they need to recognise that. Or maybe that's why we see so many news laws and plans trying to control people's freedoms.

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Re: I don't give a shit anymore...

Oh yeah. And it's bot piracy, it's the uploader committing a breach of license. It doesn't even constitute stealing, which is why it was always considered a civil and not criminal offence.

Piracy involves rape, kidnapping and murder; license infringement, not so much.

Do not allow the likes of the RIAA to further attack your freedom by allowing them to control your language.

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Re: I don't give a shit anymore...

"I want to pay, but artificial barriers to free trade prevent me from doing so"

Yep, I'm also impatient. I want to watch some US tv series as they are broadcast (or timeshifted a couple of hours). Not have to wait 3-6 months for them to be broadcast in the UK, or released on dvd/blu-ray, if they ever are.

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Re: I don't give a shit anymore...

I think it should be called "IP Sodomy", it has a nicer ring to it. (I mean they are looking for scary words are they not?)

"NBC was sodomized today by hackers." . see how it rolls off the tongue.

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Re: OK, explain to me how I can pay for to get UK TV content in the US?

There are sites which list movies and series with links to [CLOUD FILE SERVICE NAMES DELETED]. If you don't want to enter captchas or wait too long you can buy access to these services. I was able to get some series that never show in my country's TV. I bet these guys are making some money and I didn't mind paying to get the series.

Oh, you mean legally? MPAA is missing something.

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Availability?

"The other is to provide people with content at a reasonable price in a format they can use as they like."

Absolutely. I mean DRM-free MP3 files are so hard to find at a reasonable price...oh, hang on

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Re: Availability?

Well yes, there is allofmp3.com - oh but then the RIAA and the rest of the copyright cartels would like you to believe that's not legal (it is in fact legal to use from anywhere that is a signatory to the Berne Convention). All the 'approved' outlets of MP3 files are certainly not reasonable priced.

And then just try finding an official source for DRM free movies....

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Re: Availability?

(Now mp3sparks.com)

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Re: Availability?

"All the 'approved' outlets of MP3 files are certainly not reasonable priced." What is reasonable pricing? Do you mean Amazon or iTunes? They both are about less than £1/song.

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