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Dell has updated its Windows 8 tablet line, and in doing so has juiced the industry's increasing realization that fondleslabs are here to stay, belong in the enterprise, require enterprise-level security features, and are not just for playing Angry Birds. "At Dell, we have – unequivocally – the most secure, most manageable, and …

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Dell has updated its Windows 8 tablet line

I genuinely hadn't realised Dell already entered the tablet market!

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Re: Dell has updated its Windows 8 tablet line

They have some nice options, but it's not cheap for a home user. Then again, it's not aimed at home users...

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Re: Dell has updated its Windows 8 tablet line

It doesn't need to be cheap. I can't speak on a product that I haven't seen, but if you contrast this with HP's recent announcement of a cheap but limited Android tablet, I know who I see making waves in business.

If we trust the words (caveats ahoy) Dell understand the security and management issues, they understand they aren't competing with Apple or Google. They understand that the productivity uses for tablets are not direct replacements for an office workers desktop. I'm not sure that MS Surface was ever intended as a business grade device, more of a touchy laptop replacement, and I wonder if MS really understand either retail consumers, or business customers, but Dell are certainly saying the right things.

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Re: Dell has updated its Windows 8 tablet line

Well now you know why MS spent $2bn.

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Re: Dell has updated its Windows 8 tablet line

From all reviews so far the Latitude-10 series is a sturdy penable with good endurance and no known "bad habits". And unlike other products it is available :) The 3G version is costly, the WLAN only one is okay.

As always you "get what you pay for" and this is a good deal better that Samsungs "Plastic bomber" Ativ 500 or the "can't do the USB so I loose my screen instead" TPT2(1)

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Surface/Pro is clearly aimed at the company market. 32-64GB free space is enough for all business needs (and you can add another 64GB with a Class 10 SD). This is a notebook/ultrabook replacement for consultants, sales and the odd developer who has to "show the customer". Enough power to run any demo you want and "style" enough not to look out of place at a conference table. Duration is good for an ultrabook as is weight. WIDI is on board for wireless presentation

This unit is in the same class as Stylistic tablet pc or the Samsung and Asus tablet pc of 2011.

(1) TPT2 has an underpowered USB and lift-problems with the screen.

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Re: Dell has updated its Windows 8 tablet line

This happens to be all the time,

I bought a Nokia and they went out of fashion

I bought a Blackberry and they went out of fashion

I bought Win Vista just before Win 7 was released

I bought Android and was stuck with 1.6

I bought Android and was stuck with 2.shit

I bought Dell and it broke

I bought Dell and it was poor quality (XPS 1645)

I bought Apple and...........

Where the Hell do I go from here?

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Re: Dell has updated its Windows 8 tablet line

At least your Nokia is now back in Fashion.

You don't have a Surface Pro yet.....

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Re: Dell has updated its Windows 8 tablet line

Agreed, I had not realized they had a "tablet" either.

I guess it pays to advertise.

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Re: Dell has updated its Windows 8 tablet line

Panasonic Toughbooks built in Japan. CF-53 is nice, medium size laptop. They have many other form factors. All can be had with W7 Pro 64bit, come with 3-yr factory warranty with support and repair in the U.S.

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Yet another advertorial... When is Google going to follow what they did to Interflora and drop El Reg off their search engine?

I guess Dell hasn't heard of the free Mobile Management tools provided by Apple (or the number of vendors who sell management software that works with iOS, like BlackBerry Enterprise Server)

Here's a link to get you started: http://images.apple.com/ipad/business/docs/iOS_6_MDM_Sep12.pdf

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Shush ... don't let facts get in the way of a story on El Reg. Especially one that pokes fun at the usability of Apple equipment. El Reg thinks that calling things fondleslabs and jesus phones is still funny. Its sort of an adolescent type joke that pretty much sums up the level of journalism at play here.

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If the level if journalism is so low here why have to bothered to create an account, comment and continue to visit the site? I just don't get it.

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El Reg pokes fun at everyone. To not notice this would require being hypersensitive to criticism about one's preferred platform.

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"If the level if journalism is so low here why have to bothered to create an account, comment and continue to visit the site? I just don't get it."

Some of the posts on this site are interesting, some are shit, others like this one are just paid advertisements full of misinformation but not labelled as such.

If I only visited tech blogs that offered well researched articles, unfortunately I wouldn't read much. They're all a bit shit really, the web with it's SEO, click baiting and attention span of a fruit fly made everything 1000x worse. (bring back the old Byte magazine!)

But it's ok you don't have to get it darling.

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Because its still better than the circlejerk known as Slashdot.

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Fondleslabs. Jesus phones ...

... I notice you didn't apply the same scorn to the people calling Microsoft 'M$'.

'M$'. What is this, 1999?

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Wise words?

"I'd compare [the security features] to some competitive product – perhaps an iPad," Hand said, and he didn't mean that comparison would be a close one. From his point of view, hackers can de-encrypt encrypted data on an iPad "in minutes," but "In our case, it's secure for good."

Hmm, now there's someone laying down a challenge and asking for trouble...

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Re: Wise words?

Red rag to a bull, was my first thought.

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Re: Wise words?

They can have all the encryption they want but if the company is using Windows Server then the Chinese will have slurped all they want before you can say William Henry Gates III.

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Having built, configured, integrated, tested and rolled-out an MDM solution (including getting the actual kit into the hands of the users) for 800+ iDevices in a 4 week period am curious as to how these "independent 3rd party" figures stack up......

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So you chucked out an average of 40 a day. Hardly a high throughput....

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Atom processors are the way to go

The latest Atoms might not be speed demons but they'd be more than capable of web browsing, light gaming, word processing etc and they'd do it from a device similar in size and power draw as an ARM processor.

That is potentially a killer combination providing they get the price down.

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Re: Atom processors are the way to go

Yeah, Clover Trail+ announced today looks like a good improvement on GPU (still a bit weak in this Dell offering IMO); interesting to see what happens next with the 22nm shift.

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Re: Apple juiced up the tablet market. Dell/MS are following

And another Eadon Fail

The Latitude 10 series is older than the buy

Dell has been doing Windows tablets and penables for quite a few years

This is not a touch-only "fondleslab"

So now excuse me, I will watch the tape of the Penguins getting kicked by the Sharks last Friday

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"Dell takes aim at iPad, uncloaks enterprise-level Win8 tablet"

It surely can't be long before Apple go bankrupt as the world rushes out to buy great Dell tablet computer products, much as they did to buy Dell's superb smartphones.

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Re: "Dell takes aim at iPad, uncloaks enterprise-level Win8 tablet"

Dell did smartphones?

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I saw one of the current models used in anger last week. The IT manager using it ,who is a pretty practical chap and hates most flat things (iPads/Androids), was genuinely impressed with the Dell offering. An even more network savvy version could kill off the demand for Apple toys in the business. If it's priced sensibly. A big IF that.

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You expect it to be priced SENSIBLY? You dreamer you.

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Nokia not selling Windows 8 phones can also be the fault of Nokia, not MS, by signing stupid exclusivity agreements with a single carrier, and not releasing the full palette at launch, and a multitude of other reasons other than the OS.

EADON FAIL, AGAIN

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Who is paying for the devices?

Are firms really going to rush out and buy enterprise level tablets when with the BYOD model the user buys the device themselves?

My firm is supporting iOS and Android via MobileIron, something that I am a huge fan of. The MobileIron server automatically disables services if any non-compliant software is installed or if the security features are compromised.

I can't see any of our business managers signing off on new tablets while users are bringing in their own kit for configuration.

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Re: Who is paying for the devices?

Even if management does not pay them - most admins love them. No need for another set of tools to provision and control BYOD devices - just use the Windows toolchain most internal IT departments already have

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Re: Who is paying for the devices?

The MobileIron server automatically disables services if any non-compliant software is installed or if the security features are compromised.

Hmm.. If it's my device that I've paid for, then I want to be able to do what I like with it, including using what the firm might consider 'non compliant software' without any interference from them.

If the firm want me to use a locked down device, then I'm quite happy for them to pay for it!

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Re: Who is paying for the devices?

I don't think they can force you to use your own device. If you want to plug your kit into the company network, however, they do have a right to determine that your kit is safe.

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Re: Who is paying for the devices?

I hope you're right Darryl...

As I read it, Moultoneer seemed to be suggesting that while people were bringing their own kit in to 'companify'*, his/her business managers wouldn't be authorising purchases for anyone else, effectively forcing everyone to use their own devices now the ball is rolling.

* think I'll claim ownership of that word!

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English as she is spoken

hackers can de-encrypt encrypted data

De-encrypt? De-fucking-encrpyt??

I need a combination of 'nuke exploding' and 'pedant schoolteacher' icons to express my rage in terms of an icon.

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Re: English as she is spoken

WHat Did you expect, It aint' FUCKING literAry society around here maTe.

Get on with the times. Coming soon: txt-speak articles.

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Yipee, more giant, heavy, hot Wwindows 8 tablets.

I think what they are missing is the biggest reason Android and iOS tablets both sell. They are NOT Windows.

People are getting spoiled by things that work well. Android and iOS are BOTH good systems that give their users a lot of trouble free fun and enjoyable work. Even people who LIKE windows don't expect it to be fun.

Hardcore Windows people are somewhat Calvinist in their worldview. To them, If its easy to use it must be stupid, and of its actually enjoyable its at least lazy if not actually sinful.

Someone here said it best. If your tablet has a fan, you are doing it wrong.

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10 inch, 660-820 gram (2/4cell battery), Atom-CPU (no fan)

Neither giant not heavy nor hot

At least Eadon does SOME homework before trolling

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Fair enough. My Bad. Still running Windows though, so Ill pass.

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And people diss the Surface Pro price

When it has an i5 processor so can do real work

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Not my experience

"At Dell, we have – unequivocally – the most secure, most manageable, and most reliable product portfolio in the industry," My first (and last) Dell product had no less than ten call outs in the first year. Virtually every part was replaced and it still didn't work.

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Re: Not my experience

We buy thousands of Dell devices - desktops, monitors, servers, laptops, SANs etc etc and reliability is extremely good. I could pretty much count failures on one hand over the last couple of years.

Their enterprise kit is pretty good stuff

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Re: Not my experience

My experience has been very good with Dell PC's and servers except the Vostro 320 (of which we deployed 120). They have a power supply problem (capacitors) and last approx 1.5 years before going titsup. In addition, it requires the removal and replacement of 37 screws to replace the power supply (absolutely horrid design). Dell has never acknowledged the problem, provided a revised power supply or anything. Replacement power supplies are unavailable through Dell now so it's a major dent in my budget for PC's which should have lasted until planned replacement next year.

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Re: Not my experience

Dell had two "known bad" kits. One of the smaller Optiplex and a Vostro series. Both similar problems (Power supply).

Their notebooks have long been known as "nothing special" but over the last 5+ years where known as "solid". The Desktops (both Dimension and Optiplex) are mostly quite sturdy, reliable if dull maschines. Quite, easy to maintain with decend upgrade capabilities. Just do not loose the mounting elements :)

8+ year old PIVs still running, still silent are not uncommon, there are four in the (extended) family. End of live is approaching only because upgrading past XP is not realistic and Penguins are fed to the Sharks

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Re: Not my experience

well they did punt the Vostro as the cheaper business option, but not your fault if there's a design flaw.

As a small business we haven't a huge number of desktops but I've always suggested Optiplex over Vostro or Dimension because Dell claim to support the components for a long period.

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The last three Dell laptops I had were so bad, they put me off Dell completely. Ghastly build quality.

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Dell tablets

We used the Dell Latitude "convertible" tablets for years, recently switched to Galaxy Note 10.1's due to the much better price and battery life. Dell severely over-estimates battery life, it's a shame because it just leads to disappointment. The Latitude XT2's we have had an advertised 11-hr battery life. In reality, you're doing good to get 4 hrs. out of them. I can also buy 3 GN10.1's for the price of 1 of the Dell convertibles.... I seriously doubt you can get 20 hrs of battery life out of these as claimed...probably closer to 8...

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