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Best Buy will slash $100 off the price of touchscreen Windows 8 PCs. From Monday the US retail chain will cut the cost of Sony, Acer, Toshiba, Dell and HP touch-driven laptops plus two models of Samsung's all-in-ones to shift stock. You can see the full range of discounted gear here. Best Buy’s discount will not apply to …

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Customers are happier with Win8 touch-

So much that they aren't buying them, so we are dropping the price to make them happier, not to shift the things...

Riiiight...

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Re: Customers are happier with Win8 touch-

Are you really too stupid to understand that if something new turns up which people aren't aware of or don't understand, it may not sell even if it's better?

The phrase "barrier to entry" is the issue here. And no I'm not saying Win8 is better or touch-PCs are better. But people have preconceptions or sheer lack of knowledge - the idea of a tablet PC seemed daft pre-iPad.

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Re: Customers are happier with Win8 touch-

Er- the customers are supposed to be happier with them- so how come they 'aren't aware' of the products?

Tut tut.

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Re: Customers are happier with Win8 touch-

Indeed. Writing this on my brand new Win7 laptop, purchased before the supply of said Win7 laptops dries up completely in favor of MS pushing the Win8 dog down our throats.

It appears Win8 will simply follow the same Microsoft release profile pattern for their OS since Windows 3.1:

first release of new OS with new UI - a dog

second release of OS with same UI - 'fix-it' pack of first release, everything actually works as it should

Some of this is simply that MS makes a dramatic change in driver structure, without granting third-party manufacturers enough time to catch up, and the lack of drivers dooms the first release. Or, possibly and conversely, MS simply (and constantly) fails to acknowledge market inertia by the third-party manufacturers: "Why donate resources to write new drivers for [our] legacy hardware when we are trying to sell the world *new* hardware? Well get to giving you new drivers when we are damn well ready to."

Which means everyone's legacy hardware doesn't work right. Which dooms the first release of the OS.

Note the pattern? Doom, doom, doom. EIther by MS's own hand (inadequate driver predevelopment notice, bug ridden OS, stupid UI "feature" ergonomics, 'feature bloat' or just plain ugly) or by the hands of the "partner" manufacturers (lack of urgency in developing drivers for legacy hardware).

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Re: Customers are happier with Win8 touch-

> the idea of a tablet PC seemed daft pre-iPad.

No. It was the idea of a _Windows_ tablet PC that seemed daft. Windows software, including the OS, was designed to work with keyboard and mouse (with pixel level precision). Intel CPUs required large batteries and cooling, making this compact cost lots of money.

ARM based 'Windows' tablet PC, with no ability to run real Windows programs, still seems daft. Intel may be improving the power usage (but still requires cooling apparently) but these still require a keyboard to be useful so are only sorta tablets.

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Re: Customers are happier with Win8 touch-

Windows tablets do NOT require a keyboard to be useful. That's the whole point of Windows 8....

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Re: Customers are happier with Win8 touch-

Are you really too stupid to understand that if something old turns up which people are aware of and don't want, it may not sell even if it's purportedly incrementally less crap?

The phrase "barrier to entry" is the issue here.

And no I'm not saying Win8 is better or touch-PCs are better. But people have preconceptions or sheer knowledge - the idea of bogging your PC down with nagware, bloatware, virus scanners, viruses, worms, trojans, etc. seems terribly pre-iPad/Android.

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Re: Customers are happier with Win8 touch-

Windows the OS may not, but what people want to do with windows apps, generally does.

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Re: Let me clarify it for them....

Let me clarify it for them,

"People that just want to have a big screen to read Facebook, and the occasional news/blog site.... are happier with Windows 8 and a touchscreen." Everyone else in the world would like a big stick and 5 minutes alone with the design team responsible for forcing on the rest of us what some 15 year old thought was a cool interface for their XBOX 4 years ago.

Windows 8 is useless, for almost anyone that isn't using it as a information kiosk. From the removal of needed interfaces, to the nightmare permissions on the Home version, to the UEFI debacle.

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Discounting the cheap boxes

All units discounted are capacitive "touch only" toy devices. Those do not offer benefits under Windows just costs. It is more interesting what they did NOT discount (Sony Vaio Duo 11, Samsung penables, ...) telling us that full capability tablet pc sell.

My guess is BestBuy will soon increase the prices of screen cleaning towels etc. to make big money from those toys.

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Re: Discounting the cheap boxes

These are mostly regular laptops that also have touch enabled. My son has one of the Asus laptops. He installed Classic Shell on it and never hast to touch the screen or use the blanketyblank fka-Metro substitute for the start menu. Heck, I put Classic Shell on my Win7 machine because I like the more compact Win2k-style start menu and old-style Explorer better.

So once you tame Win8 that way, it works pretty well.

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Re: Discounting the cheap boxes

But why? Win8 works quite well without touch. Even better on a notebook. A few keyboard shortcuts and the trackpad is getting lonely

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Re: Discounting the cheap boxes

My goodness. At this rate with the keyboard shortcuts, we'll be able to pitch a comeback for Emacs!

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Re: Discounting the cheap boxes

Yep. And "pine" for email.

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Re: Discounting the cheap boxes

"Yep. And "pine" for email."

I thought "pine" was something you did for fjords?

Mines the one blue feathers in the pockets.

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Re: Discounting the cheap boxes

No chance. Sure, it is a fine LISP interpreter. But the integrated editor is horrible :)

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Re: Discounting the cheap boxes

You don't work in a shell a lot, then ...

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Re: Discounting the cheap boxes

Developer not admin so I rarely use bash and PowerShell these days. I believe in "letting the specialist do his job" so I leave company servers to ORACLE and MS trained/certified admins.

For setting up a "toy" server for privat use the UI tools are enough since security is irrelevant there. The system is not visible to the internet and only runs when I actively use it.

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But the integrated editor is horrible

Made me laugh out loud! Embarrassing when at work.

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@Hans 1

Not sure whether you were commenting to me, but I have known users who worked entirely from inside Emacs.

Before the advent of WIMP, the multi-window, multi-buffer and electric modes for Emacs allowed users to run a shell (using Emacs as the command editor), read their mail and news groups (there were mail and news clients written in Lisp), compile and debug their code, and even run NetHack from inside an Emacs window on a serial terminal that had a termcap definition (you know, something like a VT100/220 compatible, I won't call it dumb because termcap defined a dumb terminal as one that could not do cursor addressing).

The extensibility of Emacs was legendary, something that has surely been forgotten over the years.

You young whipper-snappers just don't know how easy you have it grumble grumble....

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Still not cheap enough to suffer the GUI

Make it half price and guaranteed secure boot off then we might have a deal.

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Re: Still not cheap enough to suffer the GUI

Because you're too technically inept to turn it off yourself?

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Re: Still not cheap enough to suffer the GUI

AC, you're wrong. It can not be turned off. With multiple 3rd party applications and a bunch of registry hacks you can make it somewhat resemble Windows 7 or Vista, but one does not simply "Turn it off". The OS is a travesty on so many levels. To get a brief idea of what a travesty looks like, Google this:

explorer.exe shell:::{1fa9085f-25a2-489b-85d4-86326eedcd87}

Look into what it WAS, and how it's gone now in the RTM, and what you have to do to get the same results.

It is soooo clear that Windows 8 was a vector to get some "app store" income like Android and Apple, and boost the their phone sales, functionality as a real operating system was last on the list, and forgotten about in some cases.

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Re: Still not cheap enough to suffer the GUI

Secure Boot can absolutely be turned off - maybe you're too technically inept to actually read the content of the posts you're following up?

I've been using Win8 for a couple of weeks now, about 98% of the time in Desktop mode. The only thing that I've found missing is one-click access to "Sleep".

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Re: AC 16:44

I was referring to the GUI "enhancements" because secure mode is more a function of the BIOS not the OS, but anyway, you still can't consistently turn that off either, go try it of a few on displays at various stores, it will be hit or miss, some will boot back up, some will not (Sony will not). I thought you were referring to the OS (for reasons stated above), and pertaining to the Metro/Modern mode, and yes you can click the "Desktop" tile, but if you think that makes it all go away, then that explains a lot and I'm done debating as we have no common ground to start from, have a nice day.

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My Sammy win8 all in one touch runs everything including ip security camera software. Once you get used to the new start screen, it's great for what I want it to do. Unlike most, I prefer to actually experience tech before making comment.

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Just one question

How does it feel being so close to a nuclear battery and are there any sterility effects ?

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Oh boy.

AC, you are what's called a "Web user" not a $uP3r Hax0r. Here are some other special hackers like yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V69R8j8J2ok

It's a Youtube link to monkeys using iPads.

The fact that you don't know why it sucks shows how little you do with a computer. Respond back after you have tried to map a SMB share from Linux into Win 8 Home only to have it work in the File Explorer differently than when an App tries to access it. You could use gpedit.msc to fix the NTLM issue, too bad they removed that from W8Home.

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WTF?

Big box shifter cuts prices of boxes they bought a little while ago.

Film at 11.

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PR announcing jump in Win8 sales at 12

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My mum got my dad a Windows 8 laptop for Christmas. They've asked me to put Windows 7 on it next time I visit.

You'll be using it and suddenly, without warning, what you're working on will disappear and the 'social network' screen, or some other nonsense, will appear. You're constantly on pins, just waiting for it to go tits up.

The rest of the time you're either trying to get the sidebar to disappear, or trying to get it to appear.

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W8 : So far, none of the above.

But I guess a lot of it is how much you have loads of 'apps' hanging about .

As most of my stuff runs off of 'Desktop' the sidebar isn't used a lot.

I like the poke/mouse/keyboard combination, I've come from XP to 8 -- many people now will be very familiar with the swipe and poke of mobes so it's just an extension of that now familiar interface.

There are occasional oddities when screen resolution changes with Desktop progs leaving corners that can't be poked anymore but so far no issues with the 'It won't run . . .' that gets reported.

Indexing is much better - no longer have to go for 'search' then put the kettle on while it dredges the depths.

Superb for running MagicQ lighting software which supports touch screen for their own products - no hassles, no unpleasant bending or stretching..

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@AC 14:11

Just install StartIsBack http://startisback.com/ on the WIndows 8 PC, and get all the advantages of Windows 8 with the GUI you know and love from Windows 7. (A swingeing $3 for 2 PCs.)

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All you need to do is install a start button replacement (I used Classic Shell), and delete most of the Modern Apps. Windows 8 is quite nice once you revert it's behavior to something more familiar.

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Some very old software (VB6, older Delphi stuff) mostly written for Win98 stopped running when I switched to Win8. But that's about it so far

Apps are a mixed bag from "quite useful" (Mail, News, Messenger) to "works as bad as on Android" (Kindle(1)) to "WTF" (OneNote)

(1) The apps lack quite a few features of the Windows Desktop program

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Been using Win8 on Desktop and penable since it came out. None of the above problems so far. The message apps (Message, Mail etc) show a pop up in desktop mode. And the sidebars - Well use the Win-Key!

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@ Anonymous IV

Why should the consumer have to pay for MS's design disaster ?

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"You'll be using it and suddenly, without warning, what you're working on will disappear and the 'social network' screen, or some other nonsense, will appear. You're constantly on pins, just waiting for it to go tits up."

I had similar issues with a new W8 laptop. Found it worked much better (well, more predictably and reliably at any rate) with a mouse attached. Doesn't solve the whole split personality problem with W8, but at least it stopped randomly opening other applications or refusing to two-finger scroll for no discernible reason.

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Re: @ Anonymous IV

Why not? They always have before.

Windows ME & Vista spring readily to mind.

<- Tux, because I left the sinking ship many years ago.

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@Elmer Phud - Why poke

when you already have a mouse and keyboard at a comfortable distance from a 24in monitor ?

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Re: mmeier

Ok, go adjust the priority of your saved Wifi connections. Oh wait, you can't, you also can't delete them. How is that better. When we found out a way to access the old one, and shared that with Microsoft, they remove that too. Why?

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Re: mmeier

Not tried the priority part, I have both connections that are relevant on the mobile unit (Home and Hotspot) marked as "autoconnect" and the faster wins. That is always the local WLAN.

Deleting works fine. Just did it Sunday when I got a new mobile phone and configured the hotspot differently

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Re: mmeier

When you connect to a new WiFi network, it’s added to the list, and Windows will connect to that network while it’s in range. If you connect to another WiFi network while in range of the first network, Windows will prefer the second network over the first one.

From: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows-8/manage-wireless-network-profiles

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Oh and to delete: long press/right click and choose 'forget this network'

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Not exactly surprising...when will they realise that holding your arm up to a computer is a pain in the arse!

When will MS get the message that it's failed? Also whens this epic new 'relaunch' of Win 8 coming?

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Whilst I don't have Windows 8 on a touchscreen laptop, I do rate touchscreen laptops quite highly, in very specific circumstances however. I own a Transformer TF101 and I don't use the trackpad on the keyboard. I only use the touchscreen for my selections. It works quite well for quick browsing, and navigation but at the same time I wouldn't want to use it all day every day as my main computer either. For a casual users I could see it being quite useful. Though smeared screens are incredibly aggravating.

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That thing next to your arse is not an arm...

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Tried Win8 and touch since my Tablet-PC (sadly) includes a touch digitizer(1). It works in Modern just fine. It works in desktop programs to a certain degree, mostly for newer programs designed with screens bigger 1024x768.. It fails when reading forums not optimized for touch or using older soft - just as it does on Android or iOS.

(1) Wacom without touch is more precise since there is less space between pen and digitizer.

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Win * Grand Relaunch

Was the Best Buy price drop not the big bang relaunch?

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