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A New York woman is in a spot of bother after allegedly arranging for strippers to liven up a young man's 16th birthday bash. The District Attorney said charges of endangering the welfare of a child had been laid against Judy Viger, 33, of Gansevoort, north of Albany, in connection with allegations that she had hired two …

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As the proverb says..

No good deed goes unpunished.

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I understand

They were male strippers.

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WTF?

Re: They were male strippers.

and....?

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Re: As the proverb says..

I wonder if she would consider adopting ME. I have a birthday coming up, and sure wouldn't mind her planning it. Hmmm.

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This is called ...

moral turpitude and is a United States legal concept in the that refers to "conduct that is considered contrary to community standards of justice, honesty or good morals". It appears in U.S. immigration law from the nineteenth century. In other common law jurisdictions it is dated or obsolete.

I wonder where murdering your own citizens or innocent children overseas with drones fits in this?

Better charge Obamarama, Bush and the CIA.

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But didn't you know?

Teenagers can DIE if they're exposed to female flesh. This woman is as bad as a murderer!

With your support citizen, America will win the War on Tits!

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Re: But didn't you know?

The War Against Tits, you mean? The acronym is better

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Re: This is called ...

It *still* appears in current US immigration law. Comitting a crime of "moral turpitude" will be a reason for visa denial.

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Re: But didn't you know?

War Against Norks and Knockers, surely?

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Re: acronym

It also properly describes the DA in this case - a major TWAT!

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You have to wonder

Whether she'd be facing the same penalty had she booked, say, a shooting range for a day...

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Re: You have to wonder

16-year-olds shoot and hunt all the time.

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Show a t*t, get arrested.

Give an automatic rifle and 1000 rounds of ammunition as a birthday present....

Which is worse, the mother or the system?

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Re: You have to wonder

16 year olds like to look at naked people all the time too.

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Re: Give an automatic rifle

First, nobody is giving any 16 year old boys automatic rifles. Those are tightly controlled by the BATFE and monstrously expensive (on the order of $15,000 or more). I suspect you mean a semi-automatic rifle, which fires one bullet with each pull of the trigger and does not require you to manipulate the firearm between shots.

Second, given that this is NY I imagine there would be just as much issue with her giving him a semi-automatic rifle and a ton of ammunition as there was for hiring strippers. NY just passed some of the toughest anti-gun laws in the US, and even before that ti was illegal for a dealer to sell to a minor so it wouldn't surprise me if they had added more age restrictions.

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Re: You have to wonder

males that age also what lots of Porn (males of any age really!

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Re: Give an automatic rifle

Is the USA driving age still strangely low?

In which case this lad could drive several tons of steel at lethal speed, but not look at naked women.

I saw the first boobs of my adult life below that age and it hasn't caused me any ill effects

B( . Y . )bies!

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Re: You have to wonder

Or taken him to a nice family restaurant, like, say, Hooters

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"Is the USA driving age still strangely low?"

Young men can join the air force and fly combat missions where they get to drop bombs on people while they're still considered too young to drink.

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> Young men can join the air force and fly combat missions where they get to drop bombs on people while they're still considered too young to drink.

...and look at breasts apparently.

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"Young men can join the air force and fly combat missions where they get to drop bombs on people while they're still considered too young to drink."

I think that has more to do with the oddly high (from the British point of view) drinking age in the US than an oddly low "you can drop bombs on people" age.

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Give an automatic rifle and

No, as the recipient was not of age that would be prohibited by the Firearms Act of 1934 also. Owning automatic weapons in the US is a highly regulated thing. (http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/fact-sheets/1999/fully-automatic-firearms.aspx)

But I suppose we wouldn't want facts to get in the way of your one minute hate.

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>I saw the first boobs of my adult life below that age and it hasn't caused me any ill effects

Wish I could say the same. I saw a naked woman at the age of 13 or 14. I've been a wanker ever since.

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Actually, U.S. Armed Forces personnel are legally allowed to drink, even if they're under 21. They are exempted from state drinking age laws.

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Because 16-year-old boys have never seen breasts!

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According to other reports some of the party-goers were 13 year olds - and the age of consent in that jurisdiction is apparently 17. Which, on a rough calculation, makes his mother a participant in possible under-age sex when she was his age - if she lived in that jurisdiction then.

The attempts of some authorities to deny that human sexuality starts rearing its head before an arbitrary mid/late teen age is misguided. If they are considered old enough to hunt with guns, drive cars, etc responsibly - then appreciating the sight of the naked human body is a reasonable preparation for the real world.

Presumably the age threshold in the UK to see a stripper would be 18. However more intimate behaviour is legal from 16 - unless they want to take pictures of their same-age partner, which is only allowed if they are married. I doubt if sanity will prevail in my lifetime.

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Nowhere in the article does it say she is his mother.

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'Because 16-year-old boys have never seen breasts!'

That's really sad. Really, really sad.

Perhaps he should have been taken down to the Key West Fantasy Festival? This year's birthday maybe?

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So do they ban breast-feeding unless both parties are over 21?

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I am not sure what the legal age to have a stripper at your home would be in the UK, I would hope at most 16...

As long as they don't look at any pictures they take! :-D

There is unfortunately a real mess with laws regarding porn in this country...

Until they acknowledge that 16 year olds are NOT minors, and are adults who should have the same rights as anyone who is 18 this country will be punishing people who should be innocent...

Seriously, you can have sex at 16, but you can't look at porn? seriously which one is going to cause more problems?

And seriously if you've not seen a bit of porn, you'll make a right mess of your first time, and ruin it for the girl...

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"Nowhere in the article does it say she is his mother."

Other reports are quite definitive that it was his mother.

http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/national/judy-viger-stripper-case-new-york-mother-accused-of-hiring-strippers-for-sons-16th-birthday-party

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if you've not seen a bit of porn, you'll make a right mess of your first time

Basing your sexual technique on porn is like taking tips on driving from James Bond. IMHO good sex is nothing like you see in the vast majority of porn, I'm certainly not interested in having a load of other men involved.

And the first time is supposed to be a bit of a mess!

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I'm actually surprised that the strippers went for it; they are quite lucky not to be up on child sexual assualt charges if they were rubbing up on 13 year olds.

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Gee, *thanks*, Mom!

Best birthday party, ever!

//the norm in some cultures, I guess

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"I'm actually surprised that the strippers went for it; they are quite lucky not to be up on child sexual assualt charges if they were rubbing up on 13 year olds"

The word 'stripper' makes for a good headline but more detailed reports suggest it was a woman in a bikini singing happy birthday.

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Re - Dana W

I will be down-thumbed I know, but I had never seen breasts (except in pictures, and maybe my mother's) when I was 16. Just a fact.

Moreover, if someone had arranged a boob show like that, eg for my 16th birthday, I would have been extremely upset, as I would have seen it as a form of piss-taking, mockery - like "Look at what you can't have", since any girl I met around that time told me to go to hell - and was hardly likely to show me their tits. Teenage girls are prissy bitches.

YMMV, but in later years many other guys (unless they looked like Orlando Bloom or similar) told me a similar story, as by that time they were no longer bragging and believing themselves that they were God's Gift to Girls.

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I doubt if sanity will ever prevail.

There, fixed that for you.

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more detailed reports suggest it was a woman in a bikini singing happy birthday.

Then what's the issue? Surely the idio....er, authorities can't be dragging a woman up on charges of exposing kids to a sight that they could see by popping down to the nearest pool. The moral police are brainless, but not THAT freaking brainless.

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There's no pleasing some people...

I am (almost) in the same boat as You. With one difference: I would LOVE to have a party like this!

I wouldn't think they were mocking me! Why should I? A great gift - and live! YAY!

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Re: Teenage girls are prissy bitches.

Not all of them. Maybe you're just a dick?

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'Age of consent' doesn't mean what you think it means.

It means that if you are over 21 that's how old the other participant needs to be before you can't be arrested for engaging in such behavior. If you are between 16 and 21 it gets murky and you might or might not run afoul of the law.

Also, there are multiple kinds of "strippers" in the US. There were a couple of entertainment companies that routinely sent "stripper" onto college campus when I was there. What it meant in that context was a close dance in which the stripper removed clothing until they were only in a swim suit. Presumably it wasn't that kind of stripper given she was arrested.

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RE: The moral police are brainless, but not THAT freaking brainless.

You are sadly mistaken!!

The best ASSumption WRT the morals police is to ASSume that they have shit for brains and act accordingly.

A bunch of holier-than-thou types insisting on controlling your life, aka `Fascists`.

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In the UK she would be up for Mother Of The Year.

Beer coz it's Friday

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I would not be so sure

Quite a few UK cases where the parent was cuffed for similar activities come to mind. The most recent (there is a reference on the beeb, just cannot be bothered to find it) was where the dad took his son kerb-crawling as a present for his 16th year birthday . He got nailed under _BOTH_ kerb crawling and child protection legislation.

So, frankly, in the UK she would have ended up dealing with the community services parasites and possibly court as well. In order to for her to attain mother of the year you would have had to go somewhere more civilized - to continental Europe.

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I'm not so sure about that. The case you list of child protection, would probably have been due to involving a child in a criminal activity, ie the kerb crawling. Not something relating directly to trying to get him laid.

sex is legal at 16 in the UK, so I'm pretty sure he could have arranged it in other ways that wouldn't have caused problems. I can't see why hiring some strippers should cause any issues if everyone there was 16+

If they weren't all 16+ though, the person who arranged it would probably be banged up and on the sex offenders register before their feet hit the ground.

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Taking your son kerb crawling is disgusting....

Hire a proper escort who you can half trust to be reliable and not strung out on drugs...

Or take him on a trip to amsterdam/germany for the weekend....

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"Or take him on a trip to amsterdam/germany for the weekend...."

The French film "Le Souffle Au Coeur" (1971) was a rite of passage story of a boy in 1954. On his 15th birthday his older brothers take him along to the local brothel as a present. The director was Louis Malle and presumably that event has some basis in French culture of the time. Set in the era of the early Indo-China (Vietnam) War it satirises several taboo subjects - including an early tilt at lecherous Catholic priests teaching the school boys. NSFW?

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" I can't see why hiring some strippers should cause any issues if everyone there was 16+"

A stripper for an under-18 would be an offence along the lines of "corrupting a minor" - the same as letting them watch a similar "18" video.

However having sex, and presumably stripping, with a 16-17 would not be an offence - unless it was construed that an older partner was in a position of power or was "paying" in some way.

The English law is a mess. The Sexual Offences Act of 2003 was supposed to tidy up various old laws. However the committee doing the draft seemed to have a definite agenda that wanted thresholds for prosecution of men reduced to ridiculous levels. The police wanted "intent" removed as "it is difficult to prove". It also ended up with a couple having sex in public NOT being a "sexual offence". However a male being naked potentially was a sexual offence - even if there was no-one present to see him.

Part of the influential evidence provided by one committee member was that a survey showed women were afraid to go out at night. They didn't explain that the survey was conducted in Leeds at the height of the "Yorkshire Ripper" hunt.

The committee took "best practice" as the USA, who had an even higher teen pregnancy rate - and ignored the success stories from Europe and Scandinavian countries with good education and liberal policies.

Before 2003 under-16 and under-18 were regarded in England as separate age ranges - with more latitude allowed in the latter. The SOA 2003 made it a blanket under-18 range - with the same rules as previously used for under-16. They then had to include a let-out clause for legally married couples to have pictures of their under-18 spouse.

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"...you would have had to go somewhere more civilized - to continental Europe."

Like this story of a 14 year old boy who stole and sold his Mum's jewellery so that he and his mate could go on a binge and visit a brothel:

http://www.thelocal.de/society/20121009-45439.html

Notice it is the theft that is the big issue here, not that a pair of 14 year old boys visited a brothel.

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