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Chromebooks have traditionally been priced for the low end of the market, but Google has decided to go for the well-heeled cloud warrior with the Chromebook Pixel, a touchscreen laptop with a super-high resolution screen and a price tag to match. "We've designed this for people who live in the cloud, even if they're like my …

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But will it have

both backspace and delete keys? Nope. Because it's a Google keyboard. I also notice there's no mention of battery life. Guess I'm sticking with my netbook for now. Sorry Google. You're not a Big Player in hardware. You're a wannabe that Doesn't Get It...just like everyone else.

Can we get some innovation to aisle 5? Innovation? Aisle 5. Right next to "just" and across from "works" please. Thank you...

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it does mention battery life...

"Google is claiming a battery life of five hours for the unit."

that's pretty clear.

I look forward to seeing the review. seems pricey but the screen res is lovely. i guess i'll hold judgement for now.

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Re: it does mention battery life...

A) That's me being derpy and failing to read properly. Bad me. 50 lashes with a Microsoft Bob manual.

B) 5 hours. That's appalling.

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Re: it does mention battery life...

Often these ratings are measured along the lines of "whilst running full screen video", so you might get a bit more out of them with say web browsing.

Though yes - people can moan about Atom being slow, but I'll gladly keep my 10 hour battery life on my Samsung netbook :) (And if I'm at home and want performance, I'll take my i7 and NVIDIA Clevo laptop.)

To be fair, this is no worse than any other Intel Core based laptop. And it's good to see more choice and competition in laptops. (Though I do wonder how much extra battery the high resolution saps - still, for people who think that pixels is the only thing that matters, it'll stop Apple getting all those sales.)

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Re: But will it have

"You're a wannabe that Doesn't Get It...Get It...just like everyone else."

Usually with a phrase like that indicates the one who doesn't get it can be found in the mirror.

Netbooks have been a big fat fail. Get over it.

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@SuccessCase

Actually, you're full of shit. Netbooks have been a raging success amongst the people out there buying computers. They are not a success amongst the people who sell computers. People want to buy netbooks. Nobody wants to sell them.

It's a case of manufacturers protecting margins, not demand falling out from under the category. But hey, you have fun with your toys, I'll have fun with mine. I'll wave at you from the bar all the way over there by the overloaded power plug. Hey, did you just unplug that guy so you could charge? First come first serve; get over it.

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"It's a case of manufacturers protecting margins, not demand falling out from under the category."

I don't think the manufacturers are the problem. I sense the hand of evil.

Manufacturers made them. People bought them. People liked them. More people bought them. More manufacturers made them. They were a sensation. Microsoft Inc. wanted in. Manufacturers suddenly had to replace the light, efficient, modern OSs they were providing on them with Microsoft™ Windows™ XP™ - under threat of having their margins on lucrative Wintel kit suddenly evaporate. Manufacturing overheads suddenly went up while margins went down - few manufacturers want that. Previously inciting netbook prices went up - few consumers want that. Running Microsoft™ Windows™ XP™ on a netbook is like transporting an elephant in a Prius - few consumers want that. Netbooks died. Instantly.

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Re: @SuccessCase

:O OMG!

I just inadvertently echoed Eadon! Someone take me out back and shoot me :(

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Can't really say I agree. Windows 7 Starter is just fine for a netbook, and it runs perfectly okay in 2GB of RAM. The only real issue is the stock 4200rpm drive my little Samsung shipped with, but a cheap-o SSD solves the problem.

Presuming Microsoft wouldn't shit a brick, you could easily sell a 1280x800 netbook with 4GB of RAM on an Intel Atom with Windows 7 Starter and an SSD for $400 and the battery would last 12 hours. It would sell like fucking hotcakes. It would wreck the notebook market (whatever is left of it) and start clawing back some of the tablet market.

Manufacturers won't. Microsoft certainly has no interest in letting them, even were they so inclined. End users, however, would buy the shit out of that netbook. The demand is there and "Windows on the device" isn't the problem...though Microsoft very much so is.

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Re: @SuccessCase

I tried an EEE PC with its stock Linux distro on it... it wasn't great.

Netbooks tended to be second machines, when the user's primary machine most likely ran Windows- so no matter how easy the Linux distros on them were to use, the user would be learning their way around a new-to-them OS (and associated applications) for a machine they only used occasionally. Average Joes found it easier if their netbook just behaved as a 'mini me' to their primary machine. Simple.

The Linux distro that came on EEE PCs seemed pretty limited and designed to point the novice user at a web browser. Many of the concepts required to use Linux (package managers, mounting disks, SUDO) are logical and make a lot of sense- but they still do require a few sessions to get used to if you are a newbie, as does knowing which GNU program is the equivalent of one you are used to using on Windows.

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Re: @SuccessCase

So why WinRT? Tablets? LMAO

Even we're now getting signs new "netbooks" are already in the pipeline. They're ARM based and leaner and more efficient than ever before. Microsoft can't ram XP onto them. Hence RT. It'll be interesting to see if manufacturers will follow the same path and allow Microsoft to skim their margins again. I doubt it. Not much room for a "Microsoft tax" in a $200 - $300 product. I'm expecting them to arrive as "hybrid" devices via phone channels from companies against whom Microsoft has no leverage. Time will tell.

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@Trevor_Pott

I can make a case for their being a motorbike industry conspiracy against motorised clown bikes. After all, stand back from them. They are really very useful. 1/5th the size of a full size motorbike. You can carry them on trains so are great for commuters. They actually go really fast and can genuinely get you from A to B effectively. They can be made much more cheaply than full sized motorbikes. I think the only reason there aren't more clowns bikes being sold is because there is a conspiracy, lead by Yamaha, to bury the clowns bike manufacturers. It's a conspiracy I tell you.

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Re: @SuccessCase

@SuccessCase Funny, I am able to find quite a few active production liens on scale motorised bicycles ("trick bikes") all over the internet. Seems to me there is no conspiracy to stop producing them.

I remember there being announcements to stop producing netbooks, some of which even mentioned explicitly (usually during earnings calls) how good this was for the bottom line. There was also Microsoft who explicitly forbade netbooks with decent specs in their licenceing, and Intel who explicitly forbade decently specced atom systems

None of that is a conspiracy either; it is a bunch of manufacturers independently choosing to screw is all by avoiding – and actively attempting to suppress – the cheaper, "good enough" option. Especially because it was so popular.

Just because you have a hard on for clock cycles you don't use doesn't meant most people do. Quit projecting your own inadequacy issues onto the rest of the world. Most of the rest of the world has nothing to compensate for.

For those of us just tying to get shit done, battery life means more than anything. A1 12 3 12 3 12 3 12 3 12 3 12 3 12 3 12 3 12 3 12 3 12 3 12 3 12 3 12 3 n atom is just fine for us.

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Re: @SuccessCase

Fuck Wintel... if the £300 Nexus 10 came in clamshell form with a decent keyboard & trackpad instead of the touchsereen madness I'd be jizzing all the way to the Google Store.

...and a big brother 12" version with that mouthwatering 3:2 2560x1700 panel... oops... just nipping off to change my underpants.

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Re: @SuccessCase

This is to a degree true. For instance Dell removed HDMI ports from their more recent netbooks largely to protect their laptop revenue!

However, there was never a great demand for Linux on netbooks, other than as a way of buying the platform cheaper to install a pirate Windows copy on. Linux has tended to cost OEMs relatively more in terms of builds and testing, support and returns, so they have tended to avoid it.

nb - Why on earth would anyone buy this Chrome book when you could get a Surface Pro or a good ultrabook for that money?

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Morning RICHTO. Another slow day at Microsoft UK?

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Screw everything.. but the screen

2560x1700? I'm creaming myself.

Taller ratios? Be still my beating heart. Moving away from 16:9? Praise Google..

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Re: Screw everything.. but the screen

"I'm creaming myself."

Porn these days is mostly 16:9.

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Re: Screw everything.. but the screen

Maybe he's got a thing for black bars.

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Re: Screw everything.. but the screen

He can never go back.

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Re: Screw everything.. but the screen

It's like watching asian porn - you can only get off if the people have blocky genitals.

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people who live in the cloud

Please tell me I'm dreaming.

Or have the lunatics finally taken over the asylum?

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Oh FFS

Yey! A laptop with an adequate CPU & RAM, and beautiful display - hi-res AND 3:2 ! 2560 x 1700 no less! Yippee!!!!!!!ONE!!!! At last someone's got it!!!!!!!!ONE!!!ONE!!!!! YIPPEE!!!

Wipe off the GoogleOS stuff and whack a proper OS onto that 64GB SSD and away!! YIPPEE!!! Where do I order?

Oh... They've stuck it behind a glossy touchscreen?

Oh.

Fuck.

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Re: Oh FFS - It's like Google have chosen to forget the past.

Touch-screen laptops/desktops DO NOT WORK. People don't need touch-screen when it has a trackpad. I just don't get it. Okay, if the screen detached to make a independent tablet, that's okay (even though hybrids are just as pointless without a transformable OS - none exist yet). Everyone tried this and they never sold.

Rather spend £1000 on a MacBook Pro thanks very much.

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Re: Oh FFS - It's like Google have chosen to forget the past.

The sales figures for the DELL XPS 12 would seem to at least slightly counter your argument there...

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Re: Oh FFS - It's like Google have chosen to forget the past.

When it's their only high-spec laptop close to 13" available in the home section, people have no choice but to buy it? Doesn't mean people need/want the touch-screen. We all know it's a crap concept. I'd rather have the physical keyboard removed and have a touch-screen put in place that acts as a keyboard. Then at least you can alter the keys based on the program you're using.

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...Oh to add, it's the one on the spindly frame that thinks it's a hybrid. More things to break and get conned on when outside warranty.

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Why wipe it? I'd LIVE to pay $1,299 for a browser. Maybe next year Google will bring one out for $2,000 that only runs EMACS.

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I'd rather have the physical keyboard removed and have a touch-screen put in place that acts as a keyboard. Then at least you can alter the keys based on the program you're using.

What an AWESOME idea! With an efficient low-res cheap-n-nasty monochrome OLED/whatever display behind it to define the keys... Still horrid to type on compared to a real keyboard but at least you'd still be able to see what you're typing into while you're using it. Nifty solution to localisation too. You could even define your own keys. Think I'll add an additional custom top row to mine providing some extra currencies, a couple of common ligatures and diaereses and some handy unicode symbols. Add a decent stylus and the more-graphics-than-typing creative types would probably go mad for it.

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Patented by the slayer, or I wish! Why not place small low-res OLED/eink keys (rather than making it totally flat) in the QWERTY format as a start? Again, would save experts in audio/video/gaming having to place stickers over the top of keyboard for shortcuts. That would make a start until you could create a screen that physically changes shape so you didn't have to type on a flat surface.

Come on Apple, make me one damn it! That's technology worth paying for.

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Re: Oh FFS - It's like Google have chosen to forget the past.

Touchscreens are working just fine here. Are you Abu Hamza in disguise?

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Seriously

And people have the gall to slag off Microsoft for the Surface??? What a pile of shite.

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Re: Seriously

Seriously?Are you 12?

But I agree- the Surface is pile of shite.

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Only crazy people need apply.

A laptop locked to Google's cloud service for £1000+++? I guess if Google was running Gillette they'd be marketing disposable razors for £100.

Whatever drugs they're sneaking into Googlers these days (yum "free" food) is causing certifiable hypomania.

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Oh look at the downvotes. I see the office launch party at Google HQ has finished.

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Re: Only crazy people need apply.

Nah, just confirms that this site is overrun with Google fanbois...

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Re: Only crazy people need apply.

Well it is one of the few news sites on the web where people still suggest that Linux is relevant to the desktop...

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OmMalik: "If you have photos on an SD card, then the device will automatically find and upload them to Google Plus Photos, a somewhat creepy and evil tactic by Google to goose its Google Plus un-social network.

Of course you can share those photos via Google Plus and other Google services — nevermind the fact that we like to use Twitter and Facebook and Instagram to share.

Pichai said that services such as Twitter and Facebook can write to their hardware APIs to do seamless uploads."

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No touch, but more of everything else, for about the same money

13-inch: 2.5GHz

with Retina display

I don't feel like touching my laptop screen very often, despite using a touchscreen phone and a tablet quite a lot.

I could be wrong though, and touchscreen tech could be the future for all computers...

Nice looking machine - can we have it with a cheaper screen, and more built in SSD (just in case cloud based Chrome doesn't work out!) for $500

13" Macbook Pro with the 'retina' display

2.5GHz dual-core Intel Core i5

Turbo Boost up to 3.1GHz

8GB 1600MHz memory

128GB flash storage

Intel HD Graphics 4000

Built-in battery 7 hours

In Stock

Free Shipping

$1,499.00

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Re: No touch, but more of everything else, for about the same money

Now add on 1TB of Apple iCloud (if that's possible)...

> "50 additional GB (55 GB total): $100/year"

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Re: No touch, but more of everything else, for about the same money

...and a better screen (if that's doable)...

No. Not playing a silly numbers game - that "retina" display isn't all that great in reality™. In fact, even the Zenbooks' 1080 IPS units blow it away for colour work.

>priceless

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"I could be wrong though, and touchscreen tech could be the future for all computers..."

Got the wife an Asus Eee Pad Transformer with keyboard last week (Best Buy was throwing the keyboard in for free). Touch and keyboard is kind of nice IMO.

Think I'll pass on the Chromebook, though. More than twice the price for the Eee Pad gets you a little bit bigger screen, 1/3 the battery life and a double helping of Google creepiness.

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Re: No touch, but more of everything else, for about the same money

Why are the fanbois trying to equate this gorgeous (Samsung?) panel with Apple's "retina" display? Just because they're both hi-res the Apple one must be at least good 'cos it's trumpeted by apple?

When you (and Apple Inc for that matter) see one of these beside a "retina" device there'll be:

1) A gasp and long stunned silence.

2) Floods of tears and annoying high-pitched whining.

3) A new MacBook DoublePlusPro for actual professionals.*

*Professionals: People who know how to profile, calibrate and test a display and/or are fully aware that letterbox formats, while fine for a telly or similar shiny toy, are unfit for a work machine. Especially on a small display where every scrap of VERTICAL space is precious. You know what work is... that thing professionals often use their computers for.

No discredit to Apple. They did reintroduce sensible resolutions to consumer computers when the trend was convergence with cheap telly panels... but... as has been their pattern of late, their "revolution" came with raucous hype but tech that wasn't quite up to spec.

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ChrUbuntu?

http://blog.laptopmag.com/chrubuntu-transforms-199-acer-c7-chromebook-into-a-cheap-linux-laptop

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Re: ChrUbuntu?

No need. This one's AMD64

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