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In a radical rebranding move, the BBC will rename the department responsible for television programmes to "TV", and the department responsible for radio to "Radio". The department that produces journalism - sport and news - will henceforth be known as the "Journalism" department. The changes coincide with a reshuffle of Beeb top …

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Good move

I'm all for that. Call the telly the telly and all that.

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Re: Good move

I hear a whale, not singing, but sobbing...

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IT Angle

What's a radio?

Do you mean the programming I sometimes watch or listen to on my laptop?

I take it TV is the new name for YouTube, iPlayer, Netflix and other video services?

Yes, I know most people probably do still have a traditional television and, possibly, still listen to traditional radios (well DAB ones soon, perhaps) but surely I'm not the only person for whom a "TV" and "radio" don't exist any more?

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Re: What's a radio?

Vision - sounds too strategy-boutique, so call the division "Video"

Audio and Music - music is still audio, so call the division "Audio"

There, that took ten seconds.

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Re: What's a radio?

Vision - sounds too strategy-boutique

Quite ... when in the recent DG merry-go-round one of them was described as previously being "Director of Vision" I assumed that he'd been in charge of some "blue skies" group that had been coming up with ideas of where broadcasting should be going in 5-10 years time. It was a bit of a shock to find out the "Vision" just meant TV programs!

Anyway, why not a Dept of Radio and a Dept of "Radio with Pictures"!

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Re: What's a radio?

TV: TeleVision

Tele: (long) distance

Vision: seeing something.

Therefore TV means "Seeing something from a distance". Unless you're using your laptop in the studio, I would argue that you are watching it from a distance and therefore all of those VoD services still fall under my definition of TV.

Coincidently, the TV broadcast system as we know it also falls under my definition of radio.

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Re: Vision - sounds too strategy-boutique

This was a vision, fresh and clear as a mountain stream.

The mind revealing itself to itself.

etc.

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Re: What's a radio?

What's a laptop? Oh, I guess it's one of those things old people used to use before tablets and smartphones were invented.

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Re: What's a radio?

" but surely I'm not the only person for whom a "TV" and "radio" don't exist any more?"

possibly not, but, I bet there a lot more people out there who prefer to watch on a TV set that is at least 42" and is hooked up to at least a 5.1 surround system.... you enjoy watching on your 13" laptop with tinny speakers.

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Re: What's a radio?

"but surely I'm not the only person for whom a "TV" and "radio" don't exist any more?"

You probably one of the few. Even the most ardent techno geeks tend to listen to the radio occasionally even if its only in the car.

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Re: What's a radio?

Why would anyone watch video on a laptop in my living room? Have you never heard of monitors and projectors? I mentioned the laptop because it, and my phone, are the only radio devices I tend to use regularly so I took it that when watching a video in bed I'm using this "radio" they talk about.

I do think that Video and Audio (possibly Video Programming and Audio Programming) are much better than the silly Vision though.

As to the strict definition of television since it's essentially a brand name it can mean what you want it to. I've no problem with extending it to include YouTube but what about downloaded films? I wasn't in the studio then either. I also saw the moon on television once through a telescope?

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Re: What's a radio?

Isn't a laptop something you carry around all day but only actually use on a desk?

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"possibly not, but, I bet there a lot more people out there who prefer to watch on a TV set that is at least 42" and is hooked up to at least a 5.1 surround system.... you enjoy watching on your 13" laptop with tinny speakers."

I don't own a TV. I do have a large dumb panel in my living room for watching downloaded and steamed content.

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Re: What's a radio?

When I'm browsing on my mobile I really should double check my posts before hitting submit. I didn't pick that icon and I'm not exactly sure what 'steamed' content is...

As you were.

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Re: What's a radio?

There's at least two of us then.

But shouldn't it be called "TV TV TV", because it's mostly repeats?

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Re: What's a radio?

Funnily enough we had a TV show called Radio with Pictures in the early 1980's.

Have a look here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMfOgxLgDiY

This gives a quick potted history: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD-t6j9-yVM

Great memories.

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And the department responsible for sport...

...will be renamed "Sky".

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Re: And the department responsible for sport...

..will be renamed "Sky".

Given all those pesky regulations over what sporting events cannot be on subscription channels then you can almost imagine BBC sports lining up as "Sky Sports FTA"

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Re: And the department responsible for sport...

Indeed, or at least Sky Sports F1 +1

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No i?

I assumed the new i-connected, i-cloud, i-internet enabled BBC would call the parts

iRadio and iTV

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Re: No i?

They've already annoyed apple with iPlayer, there's no need for them to rub it in.

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Re: No i?

> They've already annoyed apple with iPlayer, there's no need for them to rub it in.

There's lots of need :D

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Thr whole "i" thing is a bit old now; there is no way they can use iTV thanks to the ever so long established broadcast conglomerate.

The need to innovate with their nameing now too.

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"> They've already annoyed apple with iPlayer, there's no need for them to rub it in.

There's lots of need :D"

Good point. I retract my earlier statement.

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Re: No i?

I like the idea of BBC calling its visual broadcasting iTV - how deliciously confusing!!

(For those not in the know, for many years the choice of channels in the UK was "BBC" (state owned and no adverts) and "ITV" ("Independent Television", with adverts). I still refer to the local broadcast on Channel 3 (Freeview) as ITV ...)

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Re: No i?

And for everyone else who was distracted by the whooshing sound of a joke going over their head

The BBC used to produce serious documentaries, funny sitcoms, expensive drama, decent science programs etc. While the commercial iTV produced cheap bargain-house-price-cooking-with-celebs type crap.

Now that the BBC's 97 channels produces nothing but ....

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Doesn't go far enough

Should rename radio 'wireless' and tv 'witchcraft' and be done with it!

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Re: Doesn't go far enough

Didn't you get the memo? Witchcraft was a Russian mole.

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Witchcraft was a Russian mole

Allegedly. [Spoiler alert]

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Dont worry, the idiotic department names live on through the "BBC Academy" , which is actually "BBC Training" and "BBC People" which is HR or the old Personnel department.

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Personally I think 'vision' and 'audio' were more fitting terms given the widening of scope to multiple media platforms; e.g. viewing iPlayer on a laptop is not TV and downloading a Podcast is not radio...

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Function Director_General_Tony_Hall

_TV=TV

_Journalism=Journalism

_Director_General_Tony_Hall="WIN!

end Function

'---------------------------------

Function Director_General_Mark_Thompson

_TV="BBC Vision"

_Radio = "BBC Audio and Music"

_Director_General_Mark_Thompson="FAIL"

_bullshit=true

end Function

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PARSE ERROR

ON LINE 8:

Unexpected Token 'BBC' near '"WIN!

end Function

'---------------------------------

Function Director_General_Mark_Thompson

_TV="BBC'

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Backtrack?? they should've gone further!

Vision should remain in tact and ONLY deal with visual aspects of broadcast media, it's so obvious!

Any programme broadcast on TV or online should have the visual element provided by BBC Vision, and the soundtrack 100% independently produced by BBC Audio. What could possibly go wrong?

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Personally...

who really give a shit?

Oh the people above....

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Re: Personally...

People with a TV license when they realise they've been paying for this nonsense.

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What an excellent development.

Admiral Grace Hopper

Programmer Analyst Software Engineer Development Specialist Software Delivery Champion Systems Architect

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Helen Boaden

I heard her interviewed on 'The Media Show' on BBC Audio and MusicRadio 4. It's an excellent program, and has kept Beeb management on their toes a few times. Boaden really doesn't appear to be the sharpest tool in the box. Her excellent defence of the Newsnight editor on the show was only undermined by the fact that she hadn't actually bothered to ask him what happened, she'd simply prepped for the interview by reading his blog online!

When I'm dealing with a customer with a problem, I always speak to the people they're complaining about before launching a defence. It's an excellent (and easy) way to avoid looking like a total arse! Also, she's his bloody boss. Has she heard of management? Has she heard of telephones? I know Radio is the poor cousin to TV, but surely they at least get those...

Anyway, the DG was no better. He appeared in front of a Parliamentary Select Committee, and he'd only bothered to brief himself by reading the online blog, rather than asking the guy. Perhaps the editor of Newsnight is fictional, and the role is actually fulfilled by an AI? Or he's got a phobia about phones perhaps?

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Now now.

As Winston Churchill so nearly said about the BBC, never in the field of management has so much money been paid to people with such nebulous job titles.

Under Thompson, didn't they start off with 9 management levels and manage to reduce it to 7, sort of? It would be interesting to read a bovine excrement free explanation of why so many levels were needed and why so many people needed to do so much managing.

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bovine excrement free explanation

To provide impressive business cards for the unbelievable number of nepotistic hangers-on that infest the place. Even Fred the bloody Shred didn't try to parachute his sprogs into senior management positions, but that's just situation normal at the Beeb.

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Re: Helen Boaden

Ah, BBC job titles! It was alleged that in the Sixties (or thereabouts) an engineer at the BBC had managed to get himself awarded the title of Engineering Information and Electrical Installation Officer, so that he could, quite validly, answer the telephone with "EIEIO?", but checking a few years ago with someone who worked at the BBC found no trace of this.

An episode of South Parks apparently recycled the same idea with "Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer."

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Re: Helen Boaden

Boaden...prepped for the interview by reading his blog online!

the DG...only bothered to brief himself by reading the online blog,

Sounds like an exercise in "plausible denyability" to me.

"Sorry guv, I didn't have all the information, no one told me"

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Re: Helen Boaden

It was alleged that in the Sixties (or thereabouts) an engineer at the BBC had managed to get himself awarded the title of Engineering Information and Electrical Installation Officer, so that he could, quite validly, answer the telephone with "EIEIO?"

Anonymous IV,

Ah that was good old Farmer MacDonald! Lovely chap.

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Re: Helen Boaden

When they stopped making programs and started commissioning them from outside companies the only job left was producer (in the movie sense) but since nobody in the "creative" parts was made redundant they ended up making everybody a manager/producer

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Missing the point

That anyone who uses the (alleged) word "nextification" should be taken outside and shot (pour encourager les autres*)

*that's your actual French.

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mmm, bona!

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Salaries?

Surely "over 6 figures" would imply 7 figures?

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